Liberals want the bible out of our schools because

[BOSSHOG]

It is the only thing that defines right and defines wrong. Heard this on my 10 minute trip to town this morning on limbaugh's show from a fine upstanding patriotic American.

Interesting. Today's show is being guest hosted by convicted felon roger hedgecock, subbing for a thrice divorced, drug addict who takes viagra with him to a country which traffics in sex with little boys. And one of the subjects is right and wrong? Aren't they just a barrel full.

And the show is listened to by those with no intellectual curiousity, and no moral compass who probably cultivate their anal cysts so they won't have to really stand up for their country.

No folks, we evil liberals don't want a religion and its beliefs forced on our children to the exclusion of all other beliefs. That would be WRONG don't you think? "Don't you think," asked to a conservative audience? I slay myself.

[ThomCat]

1. You're a strong soul to be able to listen to that crap.

[BOSSHOG]

5. I listen no more then 15 minutes a month

but that's all it takes to confirm their lunacy. Its usually during an unplanned and short trip to town.

[MADem]

2. Because the pages are the texture of European toilet paper, and we want to PROTECT the good book

from the inevitable...you know what an issue toilet paper is, especially in larger schools...those tomes wouldn't last a semester.

Really, we're just trying to SAVE those religious nuts from a 'clutch the pearls' moment that makes the Gitmo Koran business look comparitively like a cakewalk....

[Xeric]

3. I defy anyone

to show me how the bible defines right and wrong. It's a conflicting mass of do-this don't-do-that that contradicts itself constantly.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. OTOH, were that premise true, then you can add other books

that are fiction but instructive in morality and ethics: Greek myths, Norwegian myths, fairy tales, Aesop's Fables. Just don't call the Bible THE ultimate book of truth and knowledge, that's all.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. My hubby and I went round and round on this recently too. *sigh*

[truebrit71]

7. ..because they belong in churches not classrooms....

THAT'S why....

[GreenTea]

8. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain

I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision,
to drain people of their free will - and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all.
For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain.

Gene Roddenberry

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

Carl Sagan

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish (Muslim) Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church.

Tom Paine

It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me,
it is the parts that I do understand.

Mark Twain

The intelligent beings in these regions should therefore not be surprised if they observe that their locality in the universe satisfies the conditions that are necessary for their existence.
It is a bit like a rich person living in a wealthy neighborhood not seeing any poverty.

Stephen Hawking

That the world is in a bad shape is undeniable, but there is not the faintest reason in history to suppose that Christianity offers a way out.

Bertrand Russell

Existentialism isn't so atheistic that it wears itself out showing that God doesn't exist.
Rather, it declares that even if God did exist, that would change nothing.

Jean-Paul Sartre

Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth."

H L Mencken

[BOSSHOG]

11. Saw a Young Lady

about 18 this morning with a T-shirt that said "Believers have more fun." Not quite sure of the connotation but I had to chuckle as I watched the twisted up glare on her face as she tried to corral a little one.

[BlueCaliDem]

30. Yep. I've noticed too that most people clutching fanatically to religion have a LOT of...

...so-called "skeletons" in their closets! They're the "born-again" evangelicals that have done some serious crap in their past.

When I was younger, we used to go to some born-again evangelical church solely for Dutch-speaking people in Downey, California. It didn't take me very long to see that most girls my age there were out, and outright teases to the point of being real "loose", and the women there were more involved in gossiping about one another.

One person there my father knew since WWII when he was a boy, and this man, nicknamed "Skippeo" (don't ask me why), was a decade older, and he had a horrible past.

My father met him in a Japanese camp at the end of Japan's invasion, and occupation of Indonesia, and remembered Skippeo was a cold-blooded killer and womanizer (I'd call him a rapist). My father was 14 at the time, Skippeo appr. 23.

This guy used to shoot people dead for sport. According to my late father, Skippeo forced himself on timid Indonesian girls, and most likely had a LOT of "illegitimate" children. My father's only "bond" with Skippeo was, when the man saved his life from being killed by Indonesian snipers.

Married to a Dutch woman, Skippeo came to the U.S. via the 60's immigration wave, and had a son, and a daughter. Skippeo "found religion" and was as a religious fanatic as you've ever seen! His daughter was sleeping-around at the age of 16; a drug addict, and an alcoholic as well...and Daddy never said a thing; even allowed the 19 year old boyfriend to sleep in 16 year old daughter's bedroom!

However, toward us, a motherless band of five kids, Skippeo was a tyrant; forcing us to pray for every meal; telling us that God is punishing us for being bad kids that's why our mother abandoned us, etc, etc.

My father finally had enough and kicked Skippeo OUT of our house, and when he discovered what a bunch of hypocrites these so-called "Christians" were in the church, we stopped going, and gave us five the choice to choose whatever religion we wanted to follow (or none--like my brother), and I believe my father, a Protestant to his death, never wanted to put us into a position where we would be blamed for my mother's sudden need to "find herself".

This is true for each, and every religious-fanatic, born-again "christian" I've known throughout my life---including my estranged Roman-Catholic, late mother.

[Virginia Dare]

9. I guess you didn't get the fundie memo...

all of the ills in this country would be solved if they would just let the Bible back into the schools. :eyes:

[TlalocW]

10. At a job interview in college

One of the employees was about to leave for the day, and he was chatting with a security guard, and one of them said something like, "All the solutions you need are right there in the Bible," and the other wholeheartedly agreed with him. I involuntarily rolled my eyes and shook my head.

TlalocW

[enough already]

14. Simple solutions for simpletons

Praise gawwwd.

[Clark2008]

35. You know, you can be very intelligent and astute and still

believe in God (or Yahweh or Allah).

It's not always "simpletons" who believe in a Higher Power.

:eyes:

[Vogon_Glory]

12. But What About The Apocrypha and the Gnostic Gospels?

But what about the books of the Apocrypha and the Gnostic gospels? Why are right-wingers discriminating agains those texts?

--VG

[enough already]

13. Careful....

You were listening too.

[BOSSHOG]

15. Research teammate

And maybe for 15 minutes a month, that's all it takes. And thanks to the big radio company in New Orleans we no longer have access to AAR.

[sarge43]

16. I have to wonder if these people have ever read the Bible.

Murder, genocide, rape, incest, masturbation, adultery, polygyny, some fairly graphic soft porn and whoever wrote the Book of Revelations had to have scored some killer acid. Just the thing for the pre-adolescent set. And this is the same gang that went bat shit over a book about two brothers raising a child. :eyes:

[ieoeja]

23. My uncle started reading the bible to his kids every night.

But he stopped after a bit because it led to too many uncomfortable questions.

[Nikki Stone1]

32. Like, "Why did Lot's daughters have sex with him?"

Yep.

[Vickers]

17. Charles Manson quoted the Bible all the time.

What a role model. I reckon these anti-American pukes want everyone to have the high moral standards of Haggard, Swaggert, Delay, George, etc. etc. :eyes:

[gratuitous]

18. Aren't folks like Hedgecock the first to complain, though?

When kids really are taught a little right from wrong, aren't folks like Hedgecock one of the first and loudest ones to complain? Kids get a little lesson the fragility of the biosphere and tips on how to live to lessen the impact on our air, water, and earth, and these folks go ballistic. Teach kids to "please, please, don't be a litterbug" and the Hedgecocks of the world are frothing at the mouth because their kid told them to toss their gum wrapper in the trash receptacle instead of on the ground.

Teach kids to treat one another with respect and kindness, or that we should live together peaceably instead of at one another's throats, and the caterwauling about "socialism" can be hear from here to Timbuktu.

Oh, that's not the "right and wrong" Hedgecock is going on about? What a surprise.

[BOSSHOG]

21. Yeah hedgecock is just a wonderful piece of work

I can tell you, parents here in South Mississippi don't teach their kids to use a trash can, there is tons of litter all over the place. Even the prisoners can't keep up with it.

[salin]

19. question... I have read the viagra rush reference before...

but missed whatever story that was about. Can anyone fill me in? Thanks.

[BOSSHOG]

20. Awhile back

three or four months ago, limbaugh was detained at a Florida airport after debarking from a small private plane which had flown in from the Dominican Republic. He was carrying a bottle of viagra that had someone else's name on it (his lawyers or doctors I believe.) Later the person said they had their name on the bottle so as not to embarrass limbaugh. That worked really well.

[salin]

22. bwahahahaha

that is funny. He is such an arrogant idiot - hard to believe that so many people still listen to his ridiculing, ridiculous schtick.

[Debs]

24. This liberal doesnt want bibles out of schools

That is I dont care how many kids take bibles to school themselves. What I do NOT want is the schools teaching biblical or any other religion in school. The claim that only the Bible teaches right from wrong is Christocentrism taken to the edge of insanity. Much sacred literature does that as does much ethical philosophy AND many political writing. The very statement is ludicrous on its face. It was not only a baseless assertion it was one based entirely on bias. The real question is why do conservatives want the government indoctrinating our children in school?

[KAT119]

25. The Bible is not everyone's "good book", and oppresses women...enough said

[Debs]

26. Of course it isnt

I dont want the Koran, Torah, Blue Cliffs Record or the Popul Vuh for that matter out of the school anymore than the bible and under the same circumstances. When individual kids want to bring them NOT taught by the administration. The bible can no more oppress women then my Chiltons manual can. Only people oppress people. If they want to do that they can always find an excuse. I think Paul had some real problems with women but I am not advocating everyone take the bible as an unerring guide to live their life only that those kids that want to have a bible or the Upanishads in school can and as a liberal I dont want to change that so the original complaint isnt accurate. I am a liberal I dont want the bible out of schools, as in I am not saying they cant BE there,just as I dont want it used as a tool of indoctrination BY the schools. I dont want the schools teaching my kids what to think only HOW to think.The mechanisms of logic, deductive, inductive thinking and extrapolation, the scientific method things like that.

[Mr. Blonde]

28. I think a strong case can be made for teaching the bible in school

not for religious reasons, but literary ones. How many books can you read without at least one biblical reference. You need to have some knowledge of the bible to understand a lot of Western literature.

[all.of.me]

39. i read the bible as literature in 8th grade a zillion years ago.

i loved it! that's about all i remember, though. it was 1968, after all.....

[hyperium]

27. It's too bad there isn't more interest in philosophy

These people might see that religion is not the only means of defining right and wrong.

[Odin2005]

29. Fundies have a low level of moral development

The can't conceive of morality in anything but an authoritarian, paternalist fashion "do it because the big sky daddy will punish you."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

[BikeWriter]

31. IBTL!

[mentalsolstice]

33. Too many ways to interpret the bible

I don't have a child, but if I did, I wouldn't want a teacher, other kids, etc. ramming their opinions down my kid's throat. Hell, I wouldn't want to ram my own interpretations down my kids throat. If my child asked me what I thought, I would be glad to share and discuss, however, I would encourage him/her to read, research and develop their own outlook. Too many people out there think there's only one interpretation...THEIRS.

[seabeyond]

34. since my fathers generation in the 40's mine 60's and 70', bible was NEVER

in our schools. the bible hasnt been in my kids school but the christian private school i sent them to

FIRST i want the story right. i have never witnessed bibles in school. my father tells me he never experiened bible in school, so where is the matter of wanting to get them out. they were never in. bible is in sunday school

[TheCentepedeShoes]

37. My HS had bible class,

student-led morning devotionals, and something called "religious emphasis week" up till I graduated and fled town in '66. 'Course, the only religions being "emphasized" were mainline Protestant. Guess even Roman Catholic was too "suspect." Talk about the Jewish faith? I don't think so.
Since I've moved back, and I don't have kids in the school system, I'm not sure how much has changed, although the more overt aspects must have.
Still, welcome to Fundieland.

[seabeyond]

42. elective? or required course? i have not seen

bible in public school. and kids dont have it now in texas

[TheCentepedeShoes]

44. Elective, one semester

only enough interested for one class. Didn't take it myself, best friend did. Sorta taught as literature/history.

[OregonBlue]

36. Because the Constitution of the United States requires that there

be a separation of church and state. It's in there for a reason!

[Joanne98]

38. If they just let's us edit it.....

[all.of.me]

40. they could use elizabeth cady stanton's version!

[Joanne98]

43. That's a good idea!

[AtomicKitten]

41. Dems prefer the Constitution be taught in schools

as well as the importance of separation of church and state. When discussing this issue with wingnuts, it helps to remind them about how nicely fundamentalist-inspired terrorism is working out.

[On the Road]

45. Fundamentalist Rhetoric is Usually Nonsense

On the other hand, I think the Bible should be included in the curriculum. Taught sympathetically, but as a historical document and not as the truth. The lack of knowledge of the Bible today is appalling and strengthens evangelicals in several ways.

[IndianaGreen]

46. The Bible should be out of our schools because it is CRAP!

The Bible is the source of most of the hatred, intolerance, and bigotry in the world. The Bible was used to justify slavery. The Bible was the basis for women being treated as chattel. The Bible is the authority cited for persecuting LGBTs.