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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 08:44 PM
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Why do the Neocons keep insisting democracy will work in Iraq?


It will never work as long as the opposing factions are religious groups. Our recent success at the polls should tell the world democracy does work when the opposing factions are political parties.


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 08:47 PM
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1. 'Cuz it sounds better than "Iraq is a place where we can make $"
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 08:48 PM by MethuenProgressive
Truth.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 08:51 PM
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2. They don't believe it.
They don't really believe in democracy at all. Just look at how they've tried to subvert real democracy here and around the world for proof.

What they do believe in is a Pax Americana-enforced capitalistic oligarchy. They just call it "democracy" so that people will buy into their scheme.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 08:53 PM
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3. Here's why.....
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 09:08 PM
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4. That is all they have left to sell us...
No weapons of mass distraction, no ties to Bin Laden, no nuclear weapons program..."democracy" is the only lie they have left.

They don't believe it, but to keep their money laundering scheme going they have to sell the idea of democracy in Iraq a bit longer. Not only that, but they don't want to have to admit that they were wrong about everything...just as they were told before they started this shit.

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NOLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 09:34 PM
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5. Because they need a cover story for us being there
While they prep the permanent bases for their next two wars.

And who hates Democracy? Gotta support Democracy, right?

Simply a cover story so the PNAC defenders can just say silly things like "My Democratic opponent believes that because someone is Muslim or dark-skinned they can't have a Democracy.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:13 AM
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6. Because they are too embarrassed to tell the truth. Ayn Rand made me do it!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:38 AM
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7. Because they cannot bring themselves to admit failure
10 years from now they will still be claiming that Saddam sent the WMD to Syria and Bin Laden was supported and funded by Saddam. Its their lot in life. Just be glad that we are us and not them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 04:27 AM
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8. The answere on this thread reflect
a lack of awareness that by and large the neocons most instrumental in agitating for war, have bailed. Courage of their convictions? Not these guys.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 03:22 PM
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10. Precisely.
Even in '03 there were arguments about democracy in Iraq; the neocons argued that it was quasi-racist, or at least culturally insensitive, to argue that Iraqis were incapable of democracy.

The subtext was also that if democracy failed there, there was little chance of it succeeding elsewhere in the ME.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:37 PM
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9. Because it will allow them to be there long enough for them to establish
our permanent bases and no one will notice. It will make sure the oil contracts they established first thing after the invasion remain solvent. It's what democracy is all about...business contracts.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:44 PM
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11. You're missing the point ...
Edited on Fri Nov-24-06 11:50 PM by RoyGBiv
"Democracy" is a catch-phrase. As it is being used today, particularly by neo-conservatives but also by other groups, it has little to do with the classic Greek definition. It has everything to do with pure capitalism, unfettered by regulation, inserted into a culture by force of arms and laid bare to function as the theory of capitalism was, supposedly, intended to work.

Iraq is an experiment in economics. That a few hundred thousand people should die is no matter. Economic matters result in casualties, after all.

The problem neo-conservatives are facing, one they had not even considered, is that the experiment is failing, but it is the *economic* experiment that is failing.

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