The Solution for the Iraqi War: If we do it right: We fix the Prob, come home as Heros, Iraqi Peeps

[opihimoimoi]

all Happy, and Peace is Initiated in the region.

Are we so cynical we cannot dream the dream of Peace, that we cannot think of ways to implement??? Are we that cheap that we cannot fund Peace...but we can fund WAR?

I find the resistence to Peace disgusting and repulsive....

People think Peace is IMPOSSIBLE....and they laugh at the notion... Have we gone that far down the road where we forgot the FORK...the Path that leads to Peace?...apparently so....

Come, we think this out....we tried everything else but we reject Peace....what a shameful attitude....

[bowens43]

1. So what's your solution?

[lapfog_1]

2. OK, I'll bite... what the "Prob" and what are the detailed steps

that allow us to come home as Heroes and the Iraqis Peeps all Happy?

'cause ya know, I've tried to come up with one, so that I could post it here and all and send it to our Dem candidates before the election so they could win a decisive victory. And I can't think of what it might be.
At least a solution that doesn't indulge in a great deal of either fantasy or drugs.

[opihimoimoi]

3. The first step is adjusting OUR outlook on the matter.America has to

see the war ain't doing shit....that the Peace Option Card has been over looked.

We Want Peace alright but on OUR terms...totally unacceptable to the Iraqi people....this is because of what they see and feel./..our troops are being used for suppression....we see the same thing....

Our troops should be used for protecting the People...not all of them at first but slowly in new and protected zones far from the cities....there the small amount of Iraqis will build their own homes and buildings with American help.. Living in peace, the new places would become a magnet for those who wish a reprieve from the deadly violence.

The Model cities would be a target at first ...but as the concept grows....we would be able to leave with Honor////that we tried to implement Peace in a POSITIVE way....at that point, the new cities would be less likely to be targets...

We should be making the Model Cities so attractive that other regions copy the concept. We engineer them with efficiency, safety, aesthetics, etc in mind. For the Iraqis living there...no bombs, no killing, no misery....only the good life...

Is this Pollyanna?? To many out there...sure it is.....but given the Prob of not being able to stay/and not being able to leave....Why is the concept of Peace Building out of the question???...Its the ONLY OPTION we haven't really tried...

[lapfog_1]

4. Your premise is false.

We already have such a Protected zone... in fact, we had a number of such protected zones. One was called Baghdad, another was a reduced area inside called the "Green zone", still another that we still, in fact, have is called "kurdistan" (only we don't say it out loud for fear of upsetting the Turks), and another is called Basra.

In these zones, since the end of hostilities, actual real peace and progress was being made. This despite a determined effort by some real terrorists and bad guys to engage us in those spots (well, mostly we aren't in Kurdistan anymore, we've turned it over to the Kurds... and it's the British that "occupy" Basra). Despite all that, we lost Baghdad and now we are facing losing the Green Zone within Baghdad. However the Kurds and Basra are doing pretty much OK (occasionally violence, but nothing like the Sunni tribal areas or Sadr city. But the fleeing Iraqis are not fleeing to our model cities or the protected zones, mostly because they are not welcome in those areas and there isn't resources for them to live there.

Anyway, we are stuck in the middle of a religious civil war now, and we probably don't have the troops there to even support a single small city (and keep the supply lines open) without the help of the locals. Help that doesn't seem to be showing up.

[opihimoimoi]

5. The zones you mention are not really protected are they?? I see

attacks on them from time to time...

Oh well, its just a thought....

To me, in my mind, Peace is way better than conflict....BushCo is from Old School....you can see it in their policies....Hopefully the Dems can move the debate toward Conditions less painful...

[opihimoimoi]

6. I just knew it....No one believes in Peace....we Humans are fucking doomed

to live in misery.....

We could all have it good...at the least, better than what we got now...but...instead, we choose anything but Peace....

We reject it so that we don't even discuss it...a pie in the sky....how sad and how revealing...how cynical of the Human Race...

[Javaman]

7. I believe in peace, but the issue isn't trying to think that way...

it's trying to get the guys trying to blow up the other guys to think that way.

When dismembered bodies are being found on a daily basis, a healthy dose of "thinking" peace will fall wildly short.

We created this civil war, period. All of this could have been avoided if moron bremmer and moron rumspuke didn't get rid of the Iraqi army and police forces, but now here we are.

Staying there creates more problems, leaving removes one of the problems from the equation.

Until we pull out, the UN takes over and the Arab Leagues decided to step up to the plate and take care of this problem which now has become as much of their problem as it is ours, peace will not even be a conceivable notion while people are willing to blow themselves up because we are occupying their nation.

[opihimoimoi]

8. In a way, I don't blame you or anyone to think this way...But I still think

there can and should be ways to initiate peace....its too easy to say its IMPOSSIBLE at the MOMENT...I think we should sit down and THINK....but our so called Leaders were not chosen for their Brains but rather how they can FOOL the peeps...they wish to rule ..but ...obviously...don't have the foggiest idea HOW.

[Javaman]

9. You want the simple answer for peace? here it is...

moron* stops what ever he's doing and decides to talk to the rebels.

There you have it.

That solution is the basic reason why peace is impossible because moron* refuses to admit he fucked up.

[opihimoimoi]

11. Peace is possible if moran is not there??? I canardly wait...

I hear ya...lol

[seabeyond]

10. or a solution one needs the real information. here is a blog out of iraq

http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/

the top entry talks about where iraq is right now. it also has a lot of posts from bloggers sitting thru out iraq. read this information that will allow more insite to what is happening there. go from there. the only way to peace is a true understanding of what is happening with the people. what they are experiencing and how they think and feel. without this understanding you will misstep peace every time, just like bushco is. the only way to urist answer is embracing the good bad and ugly in all its glory. read this then lets get back to a discussion

[opihimoimoi]

12. I have read some of it to get the gist...The Iraqi People are suffering

through this horrific crap Bush inflicted/initiated..

But we all know this cannot go on forever....even the Hundred Year War ended after a century....

Nowhere in what I read is Peace and the efforts toward it...I guess its gone too far down the slope...Oh Well, maybe after 5 or 6 million more die...either there or here...

[seabeyond]

13. ah, discouraged so easily. lol lol. i am going out and about

but the reason for posting this is to truly see what the iraqi's are thinking and feeling. cannot take steps forwards without understanding the very people in the experience. but,.... i have been thinking about this since reading it last night.... and will get back to my thoughts on it later.

[loyalsister]

14. Good idea, -reevaluation

I really think peace would be much more doable if we eliminate some goals and start working on others.

Possibly:
We should admit finding peace should be a priority over "winning"

It is about making Iraq a peaceful country to live in and restoring a stable and peaceful quality of life for them.
I think we should admit that we owe them that.

We would forget about coming home as heroes

We get our eyes off the oil.

We would admit that our culture should not be imposed in Iraq via democracy and they may not have what we consider a democracy by the end of this process. We may have to accept the possibility of a theocratic democracy.

They may have some theocratic principles in their constitution that we don't like. (Treatment of women, etc) We need to get over it and let private human rights groups worry about it down the road.

If we can find some humility and make a sincere effort to surrounding countries in a peace process, (including Iran!)
I wonder if it would it be possible for the various sects to find enough common ground to do that?

[opihimoimoi]

15. A most wonderful post...I thank you....The Bush Goal of winning by force is old

Sun Tzu was not on his reading list...

The Common Ground is the Universal appeal of Peace....those that wish it must impose it on their Leaders