Who are the "insurgents" the msm keeps referring to??

[rhett o rick]

Wikipedia says: "An insurgency, or insurrection, is an armed uprising, or revolt against an established civil or political authority." So who exactly are the "insurgents" fighting?

[williesgirl]

1. Just normal Iraqi's sick of our occupation and it's disastrous results.

[rhett o rick]

2. But they are killing Iraqi's. nm

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Collaborators.

And "collateral damage" as the US likes to refer to it.

[geek tragedy]

3. Everybody is fighting everybody else in Iraq. eom

[FormerDittoHead]

4. You must understand military newspeak. "Insurgency" and "sectarian violence" defined...

It is not surprising you never heard the word used before in the MSM, it has a special meaning.

If you're a native of a country and are defending your own country against the occupation of an illegal invasion, what do YOU call it? I'd call it a rebel, however...

If the violence is directed against us, it's insurgency. Think of them as "rebels" but because WE are the "good guys" who invaded their country, unilaterally put OUR corporations in charge of the rebuilding and then dictated what kind of government they could have, we can't call them "rebels" because we may think of them as defending their country and sovereignty, etc. and as you know, the war is won by propaganda, I mean, "at home".

Insurgent is the "newspeak" for "rebel". So when you hear insurgency think rebellion.

"Sectarian violence" refers to the civil war.

So, "sectarian violence" is "newspeak" for "the ongoing civil war that our presence is exacerbating".

[KAT119]

8. The American soldier does not speak the language and Iraqis do not wear

uniforms so our troops are killing everyone. The Iraqi people="rebels/freedom fighters" are fighting for their homes, their families, their country(now destroyed & poisoned forever with depleted uranium) and their lives...

During the olympics the Iraqi team said that if they were not at the olympics they would be home fighting the American invaders...enough said.

[rhett o rick]

9. I have heard insurgency before and agree it means rebels rebelling

against our occupation. But now so called insurgents are killing Iraqi's. It's time the msm started calling them what they are, either Sunni's, Shia, or Kurdish Sunni's. It is a friggin civil war already.

[FormerDittoHead]

12. OK, I have to amend my post re: where insurgency came from... But I remember now...

My other message was more of a modern-day reference. So much has happened since the start of this mess, however, that I forgot how this word was adopted...

OK, remember, the Iraqis *wanted* us to invade and kill 600,000 innocent civilians, remember the polls? No? Well, enough of them said so (esp under torture) to warrant our invasion and take over their oil fields. "Please take our oil!" They greeted us with flowers and parades, remember?

Now, remember that Iraq was the center of terror. Remember the terrorist training camp that Glenn Beck had on his website? Don't you remember the satellite picture Glenn Beck had on his website showing the jet on the ground which was used to train hijackers?

Not all terrorists come from Iraq, but if you add Iran and Syria, you pretty much have them all (...just forget about Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Afghanistan). After all it's better to fight them over there than over here, right? Young men of those three countries and terrorists - they're all the same, right?

In case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm using :sarcasm: in order to illustrate the after-invasion environment that led to this word....

So, in case you also forgot the propaganda of that day (when the military completely controlled the media), those who were attacking our troops were NOT supposed to be the grateful Iraqi, rather they were Iranians or Syrians who were coming in by the busload to engage in Jihad, and fight for Allah. Does this ring any bells?

So, in order to make clear that it was NOT Iraqis who were killing Americans, the word "insurgency" was adopted rather than "rebels", implying they were "surging in" from the surrounding terrorist countries so as to make clear that those attacking our troops were NOT those who we were "liberating"...

[Tom Rinaldo]

The term initially was loosely linked to supporters of the old regime

or in a broader sense, many Sunnis who felt that they would now be discriminated against by the government installed by Americans. I say loosely linked because no one has a patent on the use of that term and it got thrown around by lots of people with differing agendas. As more and more of the Iraqi people lost faith and/or patience with the intent and/or the ability of the American occupation to improve their lives or at least not worsen it, that definition grew to include a broader range of Iraq nationalists, though there were always some Iraq nationalist who were not supporters of the old regime in the "insurgency" from day one.

"Insurgent groups" differed in tactics and priorities. Some focused mainly on attacking American and Coalition forces, some emphasized attacking the new Iraq government (ranging from government officials to police), some were intent on destabalizing Iraq society across the board as a tactic so as to cause the government to fail, creating a security vacuum they could exploit. Some Al Quada types fell into the latter category. Some mostly wanted the Americans to leave their country, some mostlty wanted to overthrow the new Iraq government, some wanted to force the new Iraq government into a new political deal that gave more protection to their own interests. Lots of mix and match between all of the above categories.

Sectarian conflicts are a whole other kettle of fish, and they are growing rapidly, with some overlap with some groups that also have been called part of "the insurgency" but including many that were not, including Shiite militias associated with some of the Parties in the ruling government coalition. Sectarian violence, if anything, has been more deadly to Iraq's civilians than anything previoulsy associated with "the insurgency".

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. Self delete. Duplicate post. n/t

[valerief]

7. Pretty soon the multinational corporations will replace the

insurgents with outsurgents in their offshore war initiative.

[leftofthedial]

10. terrists who hate us for our freedoms

[Minnesota_Lib]

11. It wasn't all that long ago that they were all called 'terrorists' in the MSM....

...so I guess 'insurgents' is somewhat of an improvement. They are all still terrorists over at Freeperland and the right-wing blogosphere. They'll never give up that myth.