All Kerry supporters, please DU this poll!!

[wisteria]

Let the media and Quinpac know that kerry has been the victim of a smear campaign by the media that still is continuing and he has more support than what they are claiming. Come on it is obvious this poll is slanted. Bush is more liked along with Frist?



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15925073/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15924584/

[jgraz]

1. I picked Gore -- was I not supposed to do that?

[AtomicKitten]

3. oooops, me too

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[AtomicKitten]

15. Ah, ya know what?

you need a time out

[wisteria]

19. Nope, I don't think I'll take your jaded advice. n/t

[Old and In the Way]

2. It's damn shame....anyone who doesn't believe the power of the media to

puff up (McCain) or takedown (Kerry) people in our political process isn't paying attention. I know John Kerry scares the living shit out of the media elite.

[wisteria]

6. Exactly, that is why their is this effort to take him down and promote

"lesser" candidates- those they can persuade and manipulate.

[snowbear]

4. Oops. I accidently voted for Big Dawg.

Hey, what can I say.. they left the General off the list!!

[wisteria]

7. Thanks for the support, I will be happy to return the favor when they

smear your candidate.

[wiley]

10. A list of dozens of candidates

and we should vote for Kerry, because...Why?

[jgraz]

12. Because he's sooooo dreamy. Did you see him windsurfing? yummy

[madfloridian]

40. You are being ugly to just about everyone.

Let's be honest.

[jgraz]

47. Nope, just the Kerry fangirls

[blm]

91. Fangirls, my ass - try SERIOUS anti-corruption, open government Democrats

who are being abused verbally as usual by the COVERUP wing of the Democratic party.

Some here at DU who attack Kerry supporters are no different than the corporate mediawhores who attack Kerry.

[wisteria]

49. Frankly , I support the Senator for his outspokenness and

his willingness to take on the powers by speaking the truth. I ALSO THINK, THAT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY HE WOULD MAKE ONE OF THE BEST PRESIdENTS WE EVER HAD. Now, you don't have to agree with me after you actually know more about him than what the RW machine tells you, but in the mean time, I don't think you comments deserve anymore time than I have given them. Come back and try to insult us Kerry supporters and the man himself, when you really have some valid points.

[jgraz]

56. "valid points"

• At the DNC, Kerry refused to criticize the Worst President Ever and prevented others from doing so.


• Kerry never ONCE mentioned Bush's failure at 9/11. He ceded the entire issue to the Repugs.


• Kerry allowed himself to be painted as a traitor and a coward, even though everyone knew this was coming.


• Kerry: "Knowing what I know now I'd still have voted for the war"


• Kerry conceded an election that he was on record as saying he knew had been stolen.


• Kerry left $15 million in his campaign coffers rather than spend it to challenge the results.

Which of these points are not valid?

(BTW, you shouldn't have edited out the part where you call me an asshole. Don't wuss out -- that's what Kerry would do.)

[wisteria]

24. Because what is happening to him could happen to any candidate

that speaks the truth to power. Are you even a Kerry supporter? This post was for them. Although I did expect some nasty posts. None of this is true and this polls is slanted to favor media darlings -especially Republicans. And maybe, I am a fair person and I don't like to see good people smeared and ridiculed. Senator Kerry has done nothing other than speak the truth and try to save lives and this is what he is receiving in return. No one has done more to help our troops and support the people than Kerry has. They are trying to crucify him simply because of this and because he wants another shot at the presidency.

[wiley]

59. Sorry, if it was a Kerry versus one person poll...

But it wasn't. You see conspiracies. I see an MSM that attacks everyone. I don't see how fair and supporting a Kerry 2008 run are inseparable. It was obviously not a Democratic Party members poll only, either.

[MH1]

92. Because he's the guy DEMOCRATS nominated in 2004.

Is it that friggin hard to understand that when they smear Kerry, they smear the entire Democratic Party? Not to mention those active democrats that actually vote in primaries, and chose Kerry.

For another reason: because the smear that was played on him will be played on EVERY frontrunner democrat. Sit and laugh with the republicans now - the turn for your candidate, and you, will come - if that candidate actually ever scares the republicans, anyway.

I never thought I'd be sitting there laughing with the republicans when they come for another Dem. But after the way the party insiders treated Kerry, rolling over and practically fellating Rove, I'm not sure I won't be. And you guys on this thread who don't get it, are not helping to keep folks like me working for the party. (Oh, I'm not threatening to take my toys and go home - just sayin' that people like Hillary won't get one second of my effort, unless and until a HUGE debt is repaid.)

[jgraz]

11. Or you could just let us all support who we want without implying that we're all dupes of the MSM

[AtomicKitten]

13. or saying f*uck you as a response to people exercising free will

[jgraz]

18. you can exercise free will -- as long as you freely vote for Kerry

[wisteria]

28. No,same to you, because you mean nothing but to rub it in

and dig your little claws into a wound. You meant not to exercise you free will, you meant to be nasty. Why reply other wise to a post for kerry supporters? That you obviously aren't.

[AtomicKitten]

33. I meant to vote for Gore -- which I did.

And you are having a temper tantrum and making yourself look really, really silly.

[wisteria]

55. You know I have a friend

who would never vote for Gore, because she thinks he is crazy. She doesn't like how angry he gets.

[Maddy McCall]

57. Ooooo...kay.

:crazy:

[wisteria]

25. The post was ment for those who can see through the smears.

That you don't care for Kerry is envident. Why even bother replying to this post of mine other than to be rub it in and be nasty?

[AtomicKitten]

29. you have set a new standard for nastiness tonight -- well done!!!

And all because I voted for Gore. And I'll vote for him again any chance I get. I'll bet that really pisses you off, huh?

[wisteria]

58. No, it has nothing to do with you voting for Gore. I am sorry you are

to thick to see what I am getting at. You meanness in regards to kerry and his supporters influences your opinions. Why did you even come into this post? You had no way of knowing until you clicked the link that it was a poll that listed other candidates. You came in here to start trouble.
When the media goes after Gore again and reminds them of everything they didn't like about him and they bring up his crazy rants, I will think of you and how you just didn't get it, and unlike you, I will have some understanding and sympathy.

[AtomicKitten]

63. you really need to calm down

1) I responded to someone who voted for Gore by saying I did too. Others voted for other people too. Do you seriously expect anyone to accept your explanation as to why you singled me out for your vulgar attack?

2) I don't give a rat's ass what the media says or does. It's all a puppet show to me. You are pissed off at people's nonplussed reaction to the poll when most of us know (and sorry but you should too) that all this polling will vacillate and no one poll on any given day is worthy of anyone's elevated blood pressure.

[snowbear]

27. Ahhh Wisteria.. I don't really have a candidate to smear yet...

I don't even know who's running outside of Vilsack and.. what's his face..

Next poll on here, I'll pick Kerry.. I promise..

Ok.. now, I'll just shut up and step into here --->

[wiley]

9. OMG! Me Too!

No Clark, no Peace.

[hughee99]

8. The Quinnipiac poll (second link) was the one that was slanted, right?

It's difficult to see how the MSNBC poll (your first link) is slanted, since the question is very simple and the choices are many.

[wisteria]

32. Quinpac, the MSN article refers to that and quotes a poll associate

that supports McCain.

[madfloridian]

14. That infuriates me, the way they do this. It is ugly.

I sometimes despair for our country because of the collusion between the media and our politicians.

I think people should start paying very close attention to who is foisted on the people.

The media giveth, and they taketh away. They have done it before, and they will do it again.

They are pushing Obama so hard it is just overkill. I like him just fine, but if this keeps up until 08...I will scream. Durbin is pushing Obama as well. It is going to get out of control, and they can implode someone as quickly as they build them up.

They are deciding who is on polls, they word them the way they want. We need to be very aware of their tricks.

I went and voted for Kerry, and I find it shameful what they are doing. Kerry needs to hang in there. He has good ground support.

[jgraz]

16. Say it with me -- people don't support Kerry because he sucked as a candidate

We don't need the MSM to tell us that. We could see it for ourselves.

[madfloridian]

21. That is ugly, and no, he did not "suck"....I hate that term anyway.

The people here at DU are picking up on the Media's game and embracing it.

There is a group here who go out of their way to insult him. People are aware of it, and aware of why.

[jgraz]

45. Sucky S. Suckleton from Sucksylvania

Refuse to attack the worst president ever and prevent others from doing so? You suck.
Never ONCE mention Bush's failure at 9/11? You suck.
Allow yourself to be painted as a traitor and a coward? You suck.
Especially when everyone knew it was coming? You totally suck.
"Knowing what I know now I'd still have voted for it"? SSSSSSSSuuuuuuhuhuhuhuhuck
Concede an election you know was stolen? You suck.
Leave $15 million in your campaign coffers rather than spend it to challenge the results? You seriously suck.

Now, I forget...which one of those issues was brought up by the MSM? Oh yeah: NONE OF THEM.

[wisteria]

48. Oh, grow up!

Those that don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it.

[Clarkie1]

26. I would, but my mentor says Democrats need to stop attacking Democrats.

So I'll keep it positive.

Kerry's a strong voice for us in the senate. He's a great orator, in a senatorial sort of way. That's his milieu, it fits him. Kerry supporters ought to be proud.

[wisteria]

41. This has very little to do with the candidate he was, It has to do with

how well he has done since and the real support he does have. They are afraid of him and of him running again and if you don't get it then you just don't want too. He speaks the truth to power and he has done more than anyone to take on this administration and suppport us and the troops.

[AtomicKitten]

17. that's such utter nonsense

Jeez, it's a BS poll and some people have their widdle feewings hurts because their favorite politician isn't doing well. BFD.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a nonscientific poll. Get over it.

[Pithy Cherub]

44. your next call for democratic unity

should be listened to why again. You crapped on his/her thread instead of making your own on voting for your fave. I am not a Kerry fan, but right is right and wisteria was right though the fuck you was gratuitous. Next time you want to exercise moral authority on a unity call on the DLC and what not remember you're a bit lighter in the wallet.

[AtomicKitten]

51. You can't be seriously suggesting

I have any delusions of unity on these boards?!! Pahleeeezze. I got over that notion right quick and in a hurry after being at DU for about five minutes.

And if you consider voting for another candidate "crapping on the thread," you better start wagging your finger all over this thread, although singling me out for vulgarity and unsolicited silly admonitions seems to be the status quo for some.

Some of you take yourselves way too seriously around here. It's a stupid nonscientific poll and some people have their knickers in a twist because their favorite candidate isn't doing well. You might want to wag your finger at that nonsense. Or not. I stopped caring about 5 seconds ago ...

[wisteria]

34. Thank you! I know you "get it" because they have done this to

Dean.

[madfloridian]

37. It's not just the media doing it to Kerry either...

there are some Democrats behind it. Nuff said, but I think we know.

[wisteria]

43. Exactly. n/t

[MH1]

93. Thank you for getting it.

btw I really appreciate your efforts, even if we've had differences at times. Unlike some, I know you are really in it for the greater good and building the party.

Good to have you on our side!

:toast:

[Clarkie1]

20. Lousy poll...Clark's not on the list.

Then again he's not a "politician" in the technical sense, is he. :-)

hmmm...think I'll go back and vote for Big Al. Cheers.

[Clarkie1]

22. Wow...Obama is IMPRESIVE.

Trailing only the Big Dog.

I like him too...Clark/Obama 08'!

[Phredicles]

23. I wanna be a supportive Democrat, but I do NOT get

the Kerry Kool-Aid Cohort on DU. What is it about Kerry that inspires such furious loyalty? I remember 2004 all too vividly; what I don't remember is Kerry inspiring much of anything.

[BlueStater]

50. The "Kerry Kool-Aid Cohort" is apparently anyone who doesn't hate the guy

The man isn't perfect but he doesn't deserve half the shit he receives from people on this board and elsewhere.

[wisteria]

69. Get to know the man and what he stands for. He is a man of honor

and patriotism. He is a voice for the people and he speaks truth to power.He is a concern because he can't be controlled. He has been right on the Iraq war and he has wanted the opportunity to take this country forward. He is nothing like the media like to portray him. There has been for several months an ongoing efforts by some democrats to take him down. And this las test poll is just the most recent smear.

[MH1]

94. How much time have you spent researching his life, his work, and his positions?

Assuming you are not a single-issue person with a different view of that issue, I think if you spent some due diligence studying the guy you would realize what it is that inspires such loyalty.

If all you saw or paid attention to in 2004 was what got through the M$M filter, it is no wonder you weren't inspired. Take a look at media ownership some day, and what has been going on at the FCC. The corporate masters of the M$M have a financial stake in keeping someone like John Kerry from any position of real power. Think that interest might have filtered into their editorial policies?

[madfloridian]

30. Can't you guys see what they are doing? What you are doing?

They make a huge point about Kerry on a senseless poll which can be freeped easily.

They leave Clark off entirely.

So because Clark is not on there you vote for Clinton, and make a big deal of it being ugly about it.

If you can't see what they are doing, that's a shame.

Someone somewhere is building Obama up like crazy. They can bring him down in one day. They did it someone else in one day not long ago.

[Clarkie1]

31. For the record I voted for Gore.

Probably should have just let it be.

[AtomicKitten]

38. You are fine and entitled to your opinion

even it doesn't coincide with the brow-beaters around here. The poll is nonscientific to say the least. And the commentary on Kerry was because he was dead last, not a conspiracy. Who cares what the MSM says?

[madfloridian]

35. In fact, who is building up Obama?

He was chosen to speak at the convention sort of out of the blue. He was great, he's a great speaker.

But something is going on here, we should learn from how the media built up someone else.

What's behind this?

[Clarkie1]

62. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Conspiracy I tell!

Who is doing this? Oh, it couldn't possibly be that people LIKE Obama. Nooooooo.....

:eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

36. I voted for Clinton because of the bunch he's my favorite.

[madfloridian]

39. Why he is on the list, not Clark or Dean.

Why do they write a separate article about Kerry to insult him?

THINK!

Why is Clinton on the list.

[Maddy McCall]

42. Don't condescend to me.

I got enough of that from you during the 2004 primary, thankyouverymuch.

I voted for Clinton because, of the list, he's my favorite.

It's no big whoop. :shrug:

[madfloridian]

61. Well, I guess I went past the primaries....because..

I don't even remember who you supported.

If you don't wonder why some are are on the list and others not, that worries me.

Condescending? How?

[Maddy McCall]

46. This whole thread is insane. Saying "fuck you"because...

people don't vote how you want them to vote?

Craziness.

[Cameron27]

52. No, it's pretty typical.

I voted for Gore, since he's my second fav behind Clark.
But I still love the big Dog.

[wisteria]

53. That was directed a particular individual who deserved it.

It had nothing to do with who this person voted for. It was about replying on purpose to a post that did not apply to them. just like you. Are you a Kerry supporters? Why did you come and reply to the thread. Just to be smart? Just to take a dig at Kerry? Why exactly are you here. I don't reply to posts that ask call out to other candidates' supporters.

[Maddy McCall]

54. Correct me if I'm wrong. This isn't the "Kerry Supporters Only" forum, is it?

Unless your name is Skinner, you cannot restrict people from posting in this thread or talking about voting for whomever they wish.

[wisteria]

60. No, but you haven't answered my question. What brought you

into the post to begin with? I wasn't because you supported Kerry, it was done because you saw an opportunity you couldn't resist to add some smart remarks.

[Cameron27]

64. You sent out an alert

that made it seem as if Kerry was in a poll against bush & the republicans:

"Come on it is obvious this poll is slanted. Bush is more liked along with Frist?"


That's what brought us here, and then we found a poll with a wide range of candidates and voted fairly, for the one we liked the most, which has enraged you to no end.

[Pithy Cherub]

67. As a fellow Clarkie...

did you need honestly need to post your choice in a clearly marked Kerry thread. What was the point?:shrug:

Wisteria didn't deserve that.

[AtomicKitten]

70. if you don't think everyone should be able to participate in a thread

then it should have been posted in the Kerry Forum and not in GD-P.

[Pithy Cherub]

71. manners are so inconvenient sometimes.

:)

[AtomicKitten]

73. I minded mine -- can't say the same for others

Still it is unreasonable for you to come here and chastise people for voting the way they want. If the expectation was that all should vote for Kerry, like I said this should have been posted in the Kerry Forum.

And to suggest that anyone deserves to be vulgarly attacked for simply calling out who they voted for in this stupid poll is to say the least unreasonable. Speaking of bad manners ...

[Cameron27]

80. Pithy Cherub

some posts have been deleted, and AK was called out in a nasty way. I don't think she's the one who needs to be reminded about manners.

There is a spectacular overreaction going on here about a vote in some useless poll.

edited for spelling

[Cameron27]

75. I wasn't doing anything that I thought

would hurt wisteria. It's a BS poll, this isn't a Kerry forum and I clearly I don't understand where you're coming from.

If someone posted this in the same way about Clark, I'd be a fool to get upset when people voted their own personal choices. I've never seen a poll listing a range of candidates, and being upbraided for calling out the vote of my choice.

Like I said, in this case, I only responded to the thread because it presented as Kerry vs bush & gang; I didn't come running here to vote AGAINST Kerry.

I didn't vote against anyone, I voted my choice.

[wisteria]

72. i meant the Quinpac poll. I though everyone was already aware of it

it had only been posted here at DU at least four times. Sorry, if that part was confusing.

[Clarkie1]

66. Well, speaking for myself, I thought it might lead to an opportunity to defend a fellow Democrat.

After clicking on the thread, I discovered the poll wasn't just about Kerry. It was not a "freeped" poll, as evidenced by the 7.5% support for Shrub. Thus, no need to "defend" anyone.

[MH1]

95. There's a history there. It wasn't just the words in the statement being responded to. n/t

[NVMojo]

65. done...I respect the man for much of his actions ...everyone makes mistakes

...and this country is nothing to be proud of these days so if they hate him, fuck them.

[jgraz]

68. Everyone here respects him

It's just that some of us don't think he should run for POTUS again. Ever.

[wisteria]

74. This poll and the articles has more to do with the continued smears

then running for president. I don't understand why others are allowed to participate in the primary process,but Kerry isn't. Shouldn't the people decide? Not the media or certain members of our party?

[wisteria]

76. Thank you! n/t

[Clarkie1]

79. It's not slanted Wisteria...see my post below.

I'm just trying to put this objectively, I think that's always best...

[snowbear]

77. Geez.. poor Harry is dead last

And who are those 7.4% that voted for Bush!?!?!

Which politician do you like best? * 12116 responses

Evan Bayh
1.8%

Joseph Biden
2.5%

Michael Bloomberg
0.6%

George W. Bush
7.4%

Bill Clinton
19%

Hillary Rodham Clinton
4.2%

John Edwards
6.3%

Bill Frist
0.4%

Newt Gingrich
2.7%

Rudolph Giuliani
10%

Al Gore
6.3%

John Kerry
1.8%

Joseph Lieberman
2%

John McCain
9.8%

Barack Obama
17%

Nancy Pelosi
0.8%

Harry Reid
0.1%

Condoleezza Rice
3.4%

Bill Richardson
1.3%

Mitt Romney
2.7%

[BlueStater]

81. Most people do not know who Harry Reid is

I expect him to get a lot more exposure now that he's Senate Majority Leader.

[Clarkie1]

78. An analysis of the poll shows that it has not been "freeped"

Evan Bayh
1.8%
Joseph Biden
2.5%
Bill Clinton
19%
Hillary Rodham Clinton
4.2%
John Edwards
6.3%
Al Gore
6.3%
John Kerry
1.8%
Joseph Lieberman
2%
Barack Obama
17%
Nancy Pelosi
0.8%
Harry Reid
0.1%
Bill Richardson
1.3%

According to my calculations, Democrats have so far received 63.1% of the vote in this poll. Sounds about right, given Shrub's roughly 37% approval rating. The evidence says: No slant.

[wisteria]

82. I was referring to the Quinpac poll. This one I only want to have

voted on to make a point, since the article does single out Kerry. I was hoping to send a message to MSN and Qunipac about how they have manipulated the media against Kerry-something that could happen to any of the candidates. Unfortunately, it wasn't received as I had hoped. Oh well, that is the way it goes. I know Kerry has more support than this, but they are trying to erode even that.

[Clarkie1]

84. I don't think there is manipulation going on. I think it's just how people feel.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Kerry's made some blunders and they are catching up with him.

[madfloridian]

83. Well, I just cleared cookies, cleared out temp files...and voted again.

I was just curious. The one I voted for moved up about a 10th of a point.

[Sensitivity]

85. Kerry is not a nice Guy. Haven't you got the MSM message yet.

[justinaforjustice]

86. Kerry Cut and Ran, Abandoned Ohio Voters.

Thousands upon thousands of Ohio voters stood in line in the cold rain, some for up to 11 hours, to vote for Kerry in the 2004 election. Kerry, despite having bragged about having 10,000 lawyers ready to fight, despite having 15 million in his campaign chest, despite having promised to insure that every vote was counted, Kerry conceded even before all the votes were counted.

I can forgive Kerry for a lot, I cannot forgive him for abandoning the Ohio voters. I will never vote for Kerry again, ever.

[AtomicKitten]

87. ** To Wisteria **

Much earlier in the day that you posted this thread was posted this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2812432

and I posted this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2812432#2812775

If the general electorate was intelligent and informed, they would not find Kerry unlikeable; it is due to the sheer ignorance of the masses. But it is what it is, and we have to work with the entire public in elections. It's not that we need to dumb down our candidates, but we need to find someone who can speak effectively to a wide cross-section of Americans. Bill Clinton had that skill and I believe Obama does.

You and yours either ignore me or attack me. The above comment you ignored, yet you apparently you find my posting on your thread that I voted for Al Gore so egregious to the core that you felt perfectly justified posting "f*uck you" in response (it was deleted by the mods).

You and yours cannot abide the truth about Kerry when it deviates from the pretty picture you paint, but you don't seem to object when I correct misinformation about other candidates. These message boards reek of misinformation, purposeful or otherwise, and it bothers me that impressionable people read and absorb the misinformation and, worse, parrot the BS incorporated as their opinion.

I find your (and a handful of Kerry supporters like you) support for Kerry over the top and down the block. I really adored the Beatles as arduously when I was 10, but I never, ever said "f*ck you" to Rolling Stones supporters. You will always have a cheering squad that supports this behavior, but that doesn't make it right or justified in any way imaginable.

[Eagle_Eye]

88. Done

[andlor]

89. done

[lynne]

90. Clinton & Obama are front runners on this poll -

- and you think its slanted??? Looks to me that what we're seeing is exactly how people feel. And it looks like they don't think too highly of Kerry right now.

[SteppingRazor]

96. Locking

Flame On!