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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:11 PM
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Don't you all realize?? Kerry WON in 2004!
You heard me -- he's sitting in the White House right now, doing great things for our country. His campaign in 2004 was brilliant, not at all lameass or moronic. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

Kerry went right after Bush's supposed strength -- 9/11 -- calling him out on his months of inaction before the attack and demanding that he explain those 7 minutes when he read My Pet Goat instead of doing his job. It was clear that ignoring Bush's failure and ceding the terrorism issue to the Repugs would have been amazingly weak-kneed and stupid. Candidate Kerry would never do such a thing. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

Kerry excoriated Bush in the Democratic Convention, and he encouraged other people to do so as well. After all, this was the worst president in US history; if you can't say negative things about him, you should just give up as a candidate. As we all know, Kerry rose to the occasion brilliantly (his fiery nomination speech was something to behold), thereby avoiding what would surely have been the lowest post-convention bump in history. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

When asked on Aug 9th, 2004 whether he would still have voted for the Iraq War Resolution, Kerry responded immediately: "Hell no! We had no idea how badly Bush was lying to us when we held that vote. Everything he said leading up to the war has been proven false. This president has clearly shown that he cannot be trusted with this kind of authority." Some aids suggested that Kerry still say that he would have voted for the war, but Kerry knew better. He had said practically the opposite when he announced his candidacy so backing down now would make him look like a wimp and a flip-flopper. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

Kerry responded quickly and forcefully to the SwiftBoat attacks. In doing so, he placed responsibility for the ads squarely on the Bush campaign, calling the President a draft-dodger and a deserter, and telling him to stop attacking people who were actually brave enough to serve in the war instead of running to Daddy for a rescue. This strong rebuttal completely defused the lying attacks before they had a chance to get off the ground. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

On election day, when the vote counts starting trending towards Bush, Kerry immediately cried foul. After all, he was just on a conference call where he made it clear that he strongly suspected shenanigans in New Mexico, Florida and Ohio. On Wednesday, he came out strong for an investigation, refused to concede and promised all the people who had worked so hard and contributed so much to his campaign that he would not rest until an honest count of the election was held. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.

So get off his back. President John F. Kerry is only two years into his first term and he's already become our Greatest President Ever. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:12 PM
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1. Well said Jgraz and welcome to DU
:hi:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:15 PM
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2. LOL, good job, jgraz
Recommended
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:17 PM
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3. He is getting swift boated again.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:17 PM
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4. what's the purpose of this?
seems kind of gratuitious and random* to be attacking Kerry like this now.

*The thing that makes it less random is that I've seen a few other similar posts recently. :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:21 PM
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:22 PM
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9. I believe it's a reply (and a brilliant one) to this thread linked below:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:24 PM
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10. DING! One of many posts that have been bugging me lately
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:18 PM
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5. And Gore won in 2000. Yeah. We know.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:19 PM
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6. I've been slapped down several times when I've corrected
people who refer to Gore or Kerry as "losing". At both the AmericaVotes and Wellstone Action meetings where I corrected the moderator I was told that "wasn't appropriate". I wasn't looking for a discussion of election fraud either time, I'm just not willing to help perpetuate the official story.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:20 PM
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7. Outstanding!!!
:rofl: Best read I've had on DU in months.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:28 PM
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11. Obviously, Kerry is the candidate to beat!
He's so irrelevant that detractors are starting threads by the minute to prove their point!

Kerry is the talk of the town! Democrats allegedly lining up to turn down a Senate run: Kerry! Washed up politicians considering the presidency: Kerry! Book reviews: Kerry!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM
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12. Yeah, that's why he finished dead last in the likeability poll
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:32 PM
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15. The poll that places Giuliani as the most likable politician?
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:31 PM
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13. I don't agree with your premise but on the convention....
>>>>Kerry excoriated Bush in the Democratic Convention, and he encouraged other people to do so as well. After all, this was the worst president in US history; if you can't say negative things about him, you should just give up as a candidate. As we all know, Kerry rose to the occasion brilliantly (his fiery nomination speech was something to behold), thereby avoiding what would surely have been the lowest post-convention bump in history. To believe anything else is to be duped by the vicious, lying, Kerry-hating media.>>>>

... you are on the $$$. It was so lame,so stale, so trite, so banal that it was literally unwatchable.

The party honchos vetting speeches ahead of time to make sure nothing passing for *advocacy* actually made it's way to the prime time audience. What idiocy. Believe me, honchos, the primetime audience was not sitting through that drudge-athon. I don't think you had to worry about *offending* anyone. There was no one watching who was offendable.

Now 'scuze me while I go wave my mini American flag to prove I'm not really a communist.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:32 PM
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14. I realize he isn't President
Nothing else matters.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:34 PM
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16. I guess I don't have a sense of humor.
Because this is not funny to me.

It is supposed to be satire, I know, but it is more painful than it is humorous.

I think that is because it was apparently meant to hurt people.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:42 PM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:44 PM
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19. It is about kindness.
This forum is doing just what it did in 2003, helping the media bring down a Democrat.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:50 PM
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23. Perhaps you should move over to Fluffy Puppy Underground
Disagreeing with you is not unkind or hurtful. Democracy is about debate and, like everyone else, I'm putting my opinion out there for approval or criticism. Your "poor me" attitude toward anyone who doesn't share your views is growing tiresome.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:18 PM
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32. Is that the same as....
oops, can't say it here..but initials are similar to here. Might I see you there?

Fluffy Puppy Underground? Indeed. FPU
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:33 PM
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37. You got me! I'm a freeper. I also wore the purple bandaids!
I totally didn't work 300-400 hours on the campaign. And I really didn't give thousands of $$ to Kerry and supporting PACs.

I know exactly what the press did to Kerry and it was fucking criminal. But Kerry allowed it to go on and he flat-out broke his promise to fight for every vote. So, I think I've earned the right to tell the dude to STFU for this election.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:03 AM
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48. Maybe we both need to go to FPU
You think?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:48 AM
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55. Race you there!

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:48 PM
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22. Sheesh, madflo isn't one of your so-called
"Kerry fangirls".

Just someone who respects Dems who work hard, and doesn't appreciate divisiveness.

From the posts I've seen by you, you and madflo are certainly polar opposites.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:34 PM
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17. I'm holding out for the cherry-flavored Kool-Aid.
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 09:56 PM by geek tragedy
This is brilliant satire.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:45 PM
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20. Actually, the election reform people would agree with you
but not for the reasons you state. More because the Chimp lost, I reckon, and that there was a bit of momentum toward the end that, if it had started sooner, might have carried us through.

There are those who think there was fraud. That's what I thought you were going to discuss when I saw the title. Sorry to see a parody instead.

And I don't care if he won. I don't care what people think of his style. Y'all will have to pry my support for him out of my cold, dead hands.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:47 PM
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21. bring out your kerry haters!
*cLang* bring out your kerry haters!
*cLang* bring out your kerry haters!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:52 PM
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24. LOL...
... smack one deludinoid down, another one pops up. Kerry did almost none of the things you tout well. He did NOT handle the swiftboat mess well, he did NOT speak well, and the third debate was almost a tie when it should have been a blowout.

He MIGHT have won, but instead of sticking to his promise of making sure all the votes were counted, he folded like a paper napkin.

Kerry, you can have him. He's long on things that make a good senator, and wholly without the things that get a person elected president.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:55 PM
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25. You may have misunderstood the post. It's sarcasm, and a response to this:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:55 PM
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26. Wow, dude, did you miss the point.
Does anyone else think the OP really needed a :sarcasm: tag?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:03 PM
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28. Of course..
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:03 PM by sendero
.. I didn't even read past the 3rd sentence or so. Because you say your post is satire, but you have to read the whole thing to see it. There are a bunch of folks here who post shit like that all the time, and they are quite serious.

If you want to be over-the-top, you have to stretch a little farther around here, especially about Kerry.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:04 PM
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29. yes, actually reading the post would probably help you here
:banghead:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:07 PM
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30. Dude...
.... I thought I explained myself well. I don't read rah-rah Kerry posts because I've heard it all (and refuted it all) 1,000 times. Your post is a prototypical rah-rah Kerry post up until the end. Sorry I didn't get that far.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:10 PM
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31. got it -- /snottiness :)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:58 PM
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27. Cute, but I really think Kerry is getting a rotten deal from the press
Just as the press declared that Gore claimed that he "invented the internet," now the same press keeps repeating that Kerry made fun of our troops in Iraq.

Coming from the same press that has been in denial about the civil war in Iraq...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:18 PM
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33. My spouse and I worked hard for Kerry in 2004. Ken Blackwell stole the
election from him in Ohio and is guilty of a felony.:puke:I'm still sickened when I think of it.

Blackwell should be behind bars.:puke:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:19 PM
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34. I agree with all of that
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:29 PM by jgraz
I also think that if Kerry had raised a stink, Blackwell would be in some serious legal trouble right about now.

ETA: I also worked hard and gave till it bled. That's why I felt personally betrayed by Kerry's craven concession and his unwillingness to fight for democracy.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:26 PM
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35. That's the biggest problem: Kerry just gave up on Ohio.

How do we know he won't do the same thing again? I supported him in 2004 and was very disappointed.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:43 PM
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38. I was flattened when no hell was raised about it. By the time Blackwell
campaigned for gov in 2006, it was generally accepted that he pulled some shit in 2004 to ensure a Bush win. To uncover what really happened took months of research.

Kerry must've known that it just wasn't in the cards so he put his country first. I can't kick him for that.



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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:50 PM
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39. But he didn't put his country first.
He specifically said he chose not to fight because he didn't want to be branded a "sore loser". He only wanted to preserve "viability" for 2008, which is also why he refused to spend his (our!) $15 million warchest to fight the result.

I truly believe Gore gave up for the good of his country, so I can't fault him even though I strongly disagree with his decision. But Kerry was only thinking about his next POTUS run, so his supporters (and our democracy) could go hang.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:04 PM
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40. I choose to believe that both Gore and Kerry put their country's interest first.
They have a track record of doing so. Some things we'll never know because we just don't have access to the same information. I've got to give them the benefit of he doubt.

There's a lot that went on behind the scenes in the aftermath of both elections.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:12 PM
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41. Choosing to believe something don't make it true
See Religion/Theology forum. :)

The evidence is against you. Kerry's on record with his reasons for conceding. We need more than blind faith to keep beating the Rethugs.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:29 PM
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36. Kerry won and so did Gore.......
Your outline of the events as they actually happened were never reported that way. O ya they are not reporting the way the war is really going either.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:45 AM
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63. There is a HUGE difference here:
Gore waited to concede after the SC ruling. Iirc, Gore said something like, "the only thing after the SC is anarchy." Kerry didn't even take the challenge to the FIRST LEVEL because his corporate DLC masters convinced him that he should stand down and live to fight another day (i.e., 2008 presidential elections).

The two are most certainly NOT the same.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:20 PM
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42. K&R
Nice post. But you know, of course, that you're just a tool of the corporate media and the BFEE.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:31 PM
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43. heh -- at least I'm somebody's tool
It's so hard just being a tool on my own.

BTW, what does BFEE stand for?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:40 PM
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44. Bush Family Evil Empire.
Welcome to DU.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:44 PM
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45. Heh -- I always use BCF.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:50 PM
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47. I prefer BCF, too.
But BFEE seems to have more currency these days.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:46 PM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:14 AM
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49. You're right -- let's all turn into Dem version of freeperbots
Our party was out of power because the people running it sucked. We retook power by electing people who DIDN'T share the DC mindset.

Until people realize this, we're going to lost this next election and keep losing them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:16 AM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:17 AM
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51. Post all you want, it still won't make Kerry remove the restraining order
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:19 AM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:20 AM
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53. changed out of respect for mods
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 12:56 AM by jgraz
but y'all know what was there
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:24 AM
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54. Oh come on!
Don't be a coward!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:49 AM
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56. Against the rules to tell people you are putting them on ignore.
Naughty. Besides, that waa really a cute picture. :rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:56 AM
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57. huh -- didn't know that
The funny thing is that her picture does kind of look like me ;)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:51 AM
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59. I can so tell someone I'm ignoring them!
Do not say that you are hitting the alert link to report another member. You are permitted to tell someone that you are adding them to your ignore list, provided that you actually do so.

You just can't say that you're alerting their posts.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:50 AM
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58. Yes, he absolutely won...anyone who doubts it, do your homework.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 03:21 AM
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60. I don't think anyone is arguing this point, GreenTea
The question is whether Kerry fought hard enough to expose the fraud. You can guess my opinion on that.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 08:04 AM
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61. How bout them Red Sox
can't believe they won the World Series. The curse of the bambino is broken!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:01 AM
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62. Um ... is this a trick question?
In fact, I do realize that Kerry won in 2004 and Gore won in 2000. Not to be rude, but what's your point?

:dem:

-Laelth
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 10:54 AM
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64. Locking
Flame On!


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