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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 08:54 AM Original message |
Clinton versus Obama: Is there any difference? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. A woman or a black man |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So we should just keep them in their place and out of the way until the country is ready for them? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I don't know. |
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nodular (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. OK, interesting analysis |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. I think both are electable, but we can do better than both. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
73. Hillary will have the Vince Foster Homocide thing waiting for the "swiftboatee's" |
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queenbdem87 (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
2. One is electable (Obama) and one isn't. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'd dispute that assessment. |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I agree, they are good people but unelectable |
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randy5235 (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. two words! |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Two more words: Hell no! |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Two southern candidates worked out pretty good for us |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. So did Ross Perot being on the ticket. (nt) |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Third part is a completely different ballgame |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think it's abundantly clear that the South is not going to budge. |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. I agree, the south will go republican as long as they |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Welcome to DU |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. Harping about "electability" worked great in 2004 |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I will have to respectfully disagree with you...... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. All that tells me is that she's probably not a racist. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The only reason "we're still far too racist to elect a black man" |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'll point to two recent examples for proof. |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I'll agree with that |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Actually, the Allen and Ford results make the opposite case. |
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MemphisTiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. I big part of the reason he lost was that his last name |
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rep the dems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. I agree. Especially considering that it was not until the macaca |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
80. I know a big difference.. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. I am so sick of supposedly liberal Democrats insist that "we're too racist . . ." |
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nodular (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
59. I tend to agree |
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KKKarl is an idiot (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. .. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. It wouldn't be any harder to elect him because he's Black than it would to elect him |
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Brazenly Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. Your mother's not the only one. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. What "people" will hate them? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Klan members. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Are racists part of the Democratic Party's core constituency? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. No, but Democrats alone won't win the election. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. So we should never run a Black person or support civil rights in order to attract |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Total bullshit. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So, if now is not the right time to run a Black - and they shouldn't run because of his race |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I didn't say he shouldn't run. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You mean like Deval Patrick? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. As a native of Massachusetts, you're WAY off on that one. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I've lived in Massachusetts and I've lived in the South |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. That's completely at odds with my experiences there. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I understand what you're saying and we obviously have had very different experiences |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't run. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I agree with most of what you're saying |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Well I don't agree with that last assertion you've heard. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. Clinton has the experience, the money, and the team to put America back on top. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Actually, a lot of rethugs that went down in the primaries |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. The "visionary" vs. the accomplished "administrator". Interesting choices for 2008. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Clinton... |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Hillary's "baggage"? Those who mention it never give specifics. Why? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
85. Hart vs. Mondale. I know which way I'd go. eom |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. I know the Obama political team in Chicago. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. The NY Yankees can generate excitement too, but they are only as good as |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
26. I think Obama has a better overall record |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. I record Senator votes to gague "progressiveness"... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. Obama was an early and consistent opponent of the Iraq war. |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
83. This will help him greatly in 08! No more "would you still vote for it" BS |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. there's plenty of difference |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
35. Obama is more progressive and less polarizing than Clinton |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
52. This country isnt going to elect |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. How do you know "we aren't far along enough" to elect a Black man? |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. The truth hurts |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. "LET" him run? He doesn't need anyone to "LET" him run any more than a White candidate does. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No......Here we go with the typical |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Re-read my post |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 04:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Look I understand what you're saying |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. You may be right that the country is full of Hidden Hate |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 01:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. Like Bush?! - why just today I read 0nly 28% favor Bush's action in Iraq |
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rapallos (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
54. I Think They Are The Same Person |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
62. Hillary is as polarizing as Joe Lieberman |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Lieberman is not polarizing |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Lieberman was elected by Republicans |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
64. Absolutely! |
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thatsrightimirish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-08-06 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
70. yes |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
71. Obama hasn't been corrupted yet |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. The media will be on his Di#* |
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election_2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-12-06 02:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Won't they find a way to trash whoever the nominee is? |
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rapallos (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
74. If You Don't Know |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
75. Hillary probably looks better in a skirt, but Obama is pretty. |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-09-06 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
76. Vote your conscience. Not based on "unelectability" |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-11-06 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
82. OBAMA can win! That's the difference |
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