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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:00 PM Original message |
Do we have a responsibility to Iraq? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. We didn't-- until Bush tricked us into an illegal War..nm |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. But what about now? |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. How? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That's what I'm asking here - |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. No, you asked if we had a responsibility to Iraq. Yes we do. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. you're probably right. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Iraq wants USA out. Period. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. But what happens then? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. They clearly don't want us to. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. They've always been unstable - |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. True. But, do we have a solution yet? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I tend to think |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. That responsibility should have begun in March 2003, now |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I like the idea of |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Yes and C) avoid taking responsibility for as long as possible |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. bush has never taken responsibility |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. I hear you. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. no win situation |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
12. I agree with your sentiments & I think we are responsible. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. separate countries? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I find this a troubling solution. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. I know - how do you decide "who lives where"? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. One correction - not UN Peacekeeping forces |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I like the idea of the summit - |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Al Qaeda in Iraq is one of many problems we have caused to happen |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Do we KNOW |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Yes we do. They were not there, of course, when Bush |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Since they're there because of us - |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I doubt it |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. We cannot "glue back the vase." |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Who are we to ask Arab soldiers to die when we don't want another one |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Obviously we should negotiate |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Negotiating is good....... |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. well, we -- meaning the U.S. -- wrecked it . . . |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. that's the kicker, isn't it? |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. Let me give you an analogy to the "You broke you fix it" meme |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. keeping on breaking it to fix it - |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. I believe that we do have a responsibility to Iraq and the |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. **who Americans "claim" to be** |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
102. great post |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
29. We should not assume that part of that "responsibility" is to stay in Iraq? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. The question is not "should we leave".......but how. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Yes. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Is it? That's what I'm asking - |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Right. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Definitely not "stay the course" |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. How do we know this? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Aren't they fighting amongst themselves? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. That's the soundbyte choices that you are providing..... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. And your choice is the "responsible " one? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. It is not my choice....it is the inevitability of the situation..... |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. RIGHT ... |
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Nimrod2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yes, but not one American should die for it..... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. too bad we can't make those |
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grizmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. we have no responsibility that killing more Iraqis will solve |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. but is leaving them |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
83. I agree. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Lesser of two evils - |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. We have a responsibility to leave Iraq as soon as possible |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I agree with the paying part |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
57. All the people and corporation's that earned any money from this |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I'm thinking Carlyle Group, |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. I believe we do |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. You make some good points. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. My thoughts are pretty lofty...... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. **bad global citizens** |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
61. Yes. But not a military one. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. That's one way of looking at it |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
62. No |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. So you don't think we owe them ANYTHING? |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. Agreed-Some Assistance Owed |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Thanks for the clarifications. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
63. yes-- we have a responsibility to withdraw immediately.... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. It is a crime. |
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GOPFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
64. Do we have a responsibility to Iraq? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. the "innocent citizens" ARE the insurgency-- don't you see... |
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GOPFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. The insurgency is millions of innocent civilians?? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I agree with everything you said-- I simply think we must do it.... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. All I can say to your post is |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
66. No fucking way |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. If more die because we've left, it's God's will, right? |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. This is my fear. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. EH? |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. You and Bush can tell the American parents of our military their kids have to stay |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. So you are saying that "our" kids lives |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Yes. In no uncertain terms. n/t |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. are you sure you're on the right message board? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
74. Yes, I believe we do have a moral responsibility |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. You're where I am, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
80. Our presence is making it worse |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
82. Yes! We must pay reparations to Iraq and we must prosecute war criminals |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Reparations and Prosecution - Amen! n/t |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
86. Only if Iraq wants the UN there. We have no right to impose anything. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:14 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. **Our presence is detrimental** |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
87. Yes, but the issue is to know what is the most effective way to |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I think international consensus is a must. |
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dmoded (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
88. my two cents.. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. and punishing those who are |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
96. We need 3 major steps |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I'm good with the 1st two |
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BrewAz (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
97. Yes we have a responsibility... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I don't know about having them |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
100. We have a responsibility to leave. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Most definitely bring those responsible |
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