IF there was only one choice in who could run against Hillary, who would it be?

[FrenchieCat]

OK, so it doesn't appear that the Netroots blogosphere is a Pro-Hillary crowd, even on the best of days.

and IF we buy into (for a minute) the corporate media conventional wisdom being pushed that there can only be one anti-Hillary candidate based on her high poll numbers in the Polling/Mass voting world and her money and buzz--

My poll question is; IF we were forced to make a choice to rally behind one NetRoot popular potential candidate (and therefore really working for that one candidate to get him/her upfront and center in a Howard Dean manner by donations, etc...--thereby forcing the media to notice).....who should it be and why? What advantages does that candidate bring to the table compared to the others and compared to Hillary Clinton--and could that candidate win a General Election, and if so, how? If you vote, I'd appreciate you answering those questions as well, please.

Note: I put up this poll considering the current fact that because the Netroots is itself divided on who the best candidate would be, I suggest that this works in Hillary Clinton's favor as a split Netroots delutes its own power, allowing Hillary to rise to the top with a bigger share than the various "other" candidates.

(this is my first '08 poll and I believe its premise to be an interesting one....if nothing else considering the non stop chatter on this very topic by the corporate media--If you can't beat them, join them, sorta speak?) :)

Also I respectfully suggest that those bored with "08 Polls" should just use the "Hide a thread" thingie to make this one and the rest of them disappear. :P

[nam78_two]

1. I voted for Kerry because Gore keeps saying he won't run

But Gore would be my first choice by a small margin. I like Gore and Kerry.

I don't really have one I would pick between Edwards, Hillary, Obama and Clark...well maybe Obama by a little bit since, though he doesn't impress me much, he is at least so an unknown entity mostly. Who knows, maybe there is more to him.

[jobycom]

2. More Dem bashing

There are those who may choose someone other than Hillary Clinton without bashing Hillary and all the voters who plan to vote for her.

[FrenchieCat]

3. There is no bashing in my OP......

and in fact there is a selection for those who want Hillary as the nominee. It may be the last selection, but it is there. :shrug:

[jobycom]

10. In the same way that Bush never said there was a link between Hussein and 9-11.

:)

[FrenchieCat]

15. Ok....make your case on how I am bashing Dems.....

please be coherent....cause thus far, you have failed in that respect.

PS. Make note to self for future reference that this particular poster appears to find Dem bashing where there is none.

[Kelly Rupert]

4. Why bother mentioning that candidates aren't netroots-popular

in the selection? Let the voting bear it out.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Because I am attempting to be "equal opportunity"....

My take may not be the take of others. There are "SOME" who may not want Hillary to run, but feel that alternative candidates who have made sure noises of running and are not yet popular should also be included.

The voting selections provided should still bear "it" out.

[Kelly Rupert]

8. Right, so include them, and just print the names.

There's no reason to say that Biden, Vilsack, and Bayh are not netroots-popular next to their name unless you're trying to make a push poll.

[FrenchieCat]

17. I would be lying if I said that Biden, Vilsack, and Bayh have

as much netroot supports as the others I listed. There is no reason for me to lie. Their support may or may not grow, but judging from where it stood as I formulated this poll, I believe myself to be more accurate than not.

This is not a push poll. If it were that, I would have positioned the candidate that I favored in a way that would automatically have him come ahead of the pack, which I did not.

I realize that this poll may not please all of the people all of the time, however, I believe it to be a much fairer poll than those polls that are done regularily by Gallup, Quinnipac, etc.....in where they leave a lot of candidates off the polls, and rely solely on name recognition for the results. Netrooters are much savvier than regular plain folks contacted by polling companies.

[Kelly Rupert]

20. Who said you had to lie?

Just don't mention the fact that they are not netroots-popular, and phrase their lines the same way you phrase the other lines--that is, with no mention of netroots popularity whatsoever.

[FrenchieCat]

21. But part of my point is in reference to the Netroots strength

So leaving that fact out of the equation could be a poll you decide to do but it has everyting to do with the poll I decided to do.....

nevertheless, I do thank you for the suggestion as it didn't hurt or anything. :hi:

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. It's part of the subtext for discussion

There really isn't much debate that at THIS point that four people, who are frequently mentioned as serious possible Democratic candiates for President, have the most significant current netroots support. They are Gore, Clark, Edwards, and Obama. Definately Feingold and maybe Warner would have qualified also had they not ruled out running. Kerry also has netroots support and a case can be made he should have been included also, but according to polls at DU and kos anyway, he has less than the other four.

At this point Clinton not only lacks much netroots support, but she has a lot of netroots opposition - to her being the 2008 Democratic nominee. Many of those who oppose Hillary running for President are much more suportive of her as a Democratic Senator.

Netroots support can and probably wil change significantly between now and the primaries, but I think Frenchie nailed who has it now and who doesn't, and clearly the entire Democratic Party and the media agree that Hillary is the current "front runner". So the discussion topic really is; who will present a greater challange to Hillary best as anyone can speculate at this time, one of those with current netroot support, or someone who does not yet have it and/or maybe never will?

I don't think there is inappropriate labeling in the OP, it is just an accurate way to frame a possible discussion which I think asks an implied question; how important is netroots support anyway, and how much will it matter if that support splinters?

[FrenchieCat]

16. Thanks Tom....and I did include John Kerry as equal as the others

that I listed as having Netroots support......cause I give him that respect regardless of the Botch joke stupor that he is currently having to experience.

[Deep13]

5. Either Clark or a Midwest or SW governor.

My biggest complaint about HRC: she can't win.

[Comicstripper]

7. ONLY Obama.

And maybe Gore. But Obama by far has the best chance of denying her the nod, and probably will.

[soleft]

9. I think Obama is the next president of the US.

His likability factor is overwelming. Much like Bill Clinton.

[FrenchieCat]

14. But part of the reasons for Obama's "likeability" factors are that

he is somewhat of an untested unknown (so folks don't know enough to "dislike" him) and also the fact that the Media is reporting nothing but good things about him ....for the moment anyways.

The question is then does the Netroots want to set themselves up to buy into whom the media is pushing and end up at their mercy, or does the Netroots prefer to make an independent decision not relying so much on what the Media is currently pushing.

[soleft]

22. My reaction is just based on observing him relating to others

Not on comments by the media

[FrenchieCat]

13. why? What is it that they offer to the Netroots that makes them

winners in your eyes?

I do see a great difference in the attributes that Gore offers vs. the attributes that Obama offers.

[blm]

12. In all honesty, I believe Gore, Kerry or Clark are the ones who can beat her squarely at the

debates where the nomination will be actually be decided.

[JNelson6563]

18. Everyone's entitled

to post at least one 08 poll. I'm saving my shot for another day. ;-)

Julie

[FrenchieCat]

19. Can one post more if there are at least 30 days apart? Cause that's what I'm thinking!

;)