Clark or Gore?

[Tiggeroshii]

The two superstars on DU, I'm suspecting Gore is favored for president, but by only a very small amount.

[last1standing]

1. They're both great men and great choices.

Right now I'd give the nod to Clark but let's see how the primaries go. It's possible that one or even both of them will decide not to run.

[bananas]

2. I am that small amount

it was 8-8, now it is 8-9 in favor of Gore.

[Clarkie1]

3. That's a tough one to call.

These are my top 2 choices. Clark, because he would be as strong on the issues and can carry more red states. I also think he would be a stonger personality on the world stage, diplomatically.

[TwentyFive]

4. Gore should have easily won in 2000 - blew it. Clark has no political experience.

Clark or Gore will get eaten by the republicans. Hillary is the strongest candidate we have. She is the only one who can stop the republicans.

[elleng]

22. General Clark has more relevant experience than any 'candidate.'

You are SERIOUSLY mistaken if you think that a person becomes a 4-star General without 'political' experience. Hillary's experience in NO WAY rises to the level of that of General Clark.

He is a DIPLOMAT, with the skills necessary for success in both domestic and international forums. As to the Kosovo conflict, General Clark managed the coalition diplomatically and militarily, so to suggest that he 'lacks' something because he doesn't have stamdard national political experience is foolish.

From 1997, Clark headed the U.S. European Command, responsible for over 100,000 U.S. troops, their families, health care, education, social services, and all related infrastructure, and all American military activities in 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. He simultaneously held the separate NATO position of Supreme Allied Commander (SACEUR), which granted him Head of State status and overall command of NATO military forces in Europe and leadership of approximately 60,000 troops from 37 NATO and other nations in Bosnia-Herzegovina. General Clark does, in fact, have the experience necessary to govern anywhere.

[AJ9000]

5. Who knows. An outsider like Clark might shake things up. nm

[Kosmo]

6. He is ready.

Al has been chomping at the bit for a year now. Once he comes out of he gate we will really see who is serious in this race. Gore vs. McCain, you know you want it.

[Tiggeroshii]

7. the race that should have been

I will be eager to see it happen.

[everythingsxen]

8. My main issue with Clark...

is that he has ties to the Military Industrial Complex.

[xultar]

10. So everyone who has anything to do with the military is evil? Pentagon?

Please explain exactly what you mean by ties to the MIC? You don't think the lives he saved in Kosovo make him a good man?

Please explain your 'ISSUE'.

[everythingsxen]

13. I never said he was evil....

I never said he was not a good man either.

Nor did I say I would not vote for him if he runs.

I said I had an issue with him.

To be specific, as I understand it he holds stock and has financial ties to many of the same corporations as Bush/Cheney. I am not condemning him mind you, I am simply saying that in a choice between Gore and Clark, I would choose Gore. Not just for the ties to the MIC, but because I think Gore is all-around a better candidate.

Now if you could get a Gore/Clark ticket together, I would sign up for that in a heartbeat.

[elleng]

20. Both of these men are rather wealthy now,

Gore due to his family's 'old' wealth, and General Clark due to his wise decisions in business and investing. I can't imagine making decisions about for whom to vote depending on candidates' investment portfolios.

[Clark2008]

11. But, like Ike, he recognizes what it is and was the only 2004

contender to mention it and it's ramifications.

Just because he has "ties," doesn't mean he thinks it's good for this country.

[everythingsxen]

14. That's true..

and as I said above, I do not think he is a bad guy or anything, just that it is an issue with me, especially in a choice between him and Gore.

In a general Democrat sense though, I would no doubt choose Clark over virtually any other candidate the Dems could field.

[FrenchieCat]

16. But your main issue is not an issue at all, as Clark holds no stock

in the MIC, and IF you can provide a source confirming this, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in Advance! :hi:

http://www.nhpr.org/node/5339 At about 35:30.
NPR interview of Clark by Laura Knoy

"I think General Eisenhower was exactly right. I think we should be concerned about the military industrial complex. I think if you look at where the country is today, you've consolidated all these defense firms into a few large firms, like Halliburton, with contacts and contracts at the highest level of government. You've got most of the retired Generals, are one way or another, associated with the defense firms. That's the reason that you'll find very few of them speaking out in any public way. I'm not. When I got out I determined I wasn't going to sell arms, I was going to do as little as possible with the Defense Department, because I just figured it was time to make a new start.

But I think that the military industrial complex does wield a lot of influence. I'd like to see us create a different complex, and I'm going to be talking about foreign policy in a major speech tomorrow, but we need to create an agency that is not about waging war, but about creating the conditions for Peace around the world.

We need some people who will be advocates for Peace, advocates for economic development not just advocates for better weapons systems. So we need to create countervailing power to the military industrial complex."--Wes Clark

Clark: Don't spare Pentagon
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/25/elec04.prez.debate/
"We need to put all the government spending programs on the table, including the military programs."

[everythingsxen]

18. Oh..

well then I was grossly misinformed. I rescind my issue with Clark, though I would still pick Gore. It's a lot closer though now. I still think a Gore/Clark ticker would be teh awesome.

As for where that gross information came from, it was from Dean supporters....

Initially I liked Carole Mosley Braun from that election cycle. I wish she had gone farther.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. I expect Gore will be preferred by a signifcantly majority.

I'm one who prefers Clark, though Gore would be my second choice.

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. Will Clark even run?

The biggest mistake he made last time was getting in the race so late. If he want to win, he is going to have to start early like everyone else.

[skipos]

15. Both good, but Clark doesn't have 45% of America already commited to voting against him

like Gore does.

[More Than A Feeling]

17. I haven't voted (haven't made a candidate choice yet), but my take is this:

Both have made good use of the fact that they aren't in office. Clark has done a lot for the party, appearing everywhere in America for our candidates. He also brings the message even on FOX news. Gore has done a lot for the country (making An Inconvenient Truth and a lot of bold and powerful speeches against Bush that got a lot of coverage), and if someone can show me that he has been appearing for party candidate as well, then he is all the more awesome for it. Both have a proven ability to be an executive.

Both would be great. However, at this moment, I am not convinced that Gore will run, and I am fairly certain Clark will, so we may end up not having to make this choice.

[Wesin04]

19. Clark's my man

I like them both, but do feel that Gore really blew it last time. He should have taken that race going away and he got bamboozled by the Bush Family machine. He's an honorable man and has so much to give, especially to save our globe from the ravages of pollution. That's where his talent lies and where he should pour his heart and soul (like he's doing). Gore has more freedom now to say what he wants, what needs to be said (boy, can he slam the incompetencies of this mis-administration) and to promote the issues that so many don't know about.

As for Clark, he's the man for the times. Our world needs him, our country needs him. It will take a man of his vision and his background to bring us back from the brink.

[Hippo_Tron]

21. How about Clore or maybe even Gark

[Alexander]

24. LOL!

:rofl:

I shouldn't laugh, it reminds me of the Nader "Gush vs. Bore" remark. And Nader sucks.

[Hippo_Tron]

26. Nalph Rader's an ass

Enuff said

[Alexander]

23. Gore. No question.

Clark can be his Secretary of Defense.

[AtomicKitten]

25. General Clark is a fine man -- but gotta go with Gore.

Quit making polls that force me to choose!