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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:11 PM
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Barbara Boxer should apologize for nothing
Looks like the right wing has once again cranked up its outrage machine in an effort to deflect America's attention from a very stark reality. Today's victim? Sen. Barbara Boxer who, during Thursday's testimony of Condoleeza Rice before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said this to the Secretary of State: "Now, the issue is who pays the price. Who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families."

Before we get to the phony outrage, let's make sure we're all on the same page about what Boxer said. To me, it's as plain as day. Boxer doesn't have any skin in the game, so to speak, with regards to Iraq and the president's escalation. Neither her children nor her grandchildren are of the age where service is a possibility. Rice doesn't have any skin in the game, either, nor do so many who so breathlessly support this disastrous war. But the hawks sit back, in air conditioned offices, and move our young men and women around the globe, mere pawns on a chessboard. More to the point, they send them - as this president did Wednesday night - to their deaths. All the while, they know nothing of the sacrifices those serving and their families make in carrying out their misguided orders.

This, of course, hasn't occurred to the right wing, whose attacks have come at an unsurprising pace. Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, in an editorial titled "Boxer's low blow", accused Boxer of "dragging the debate over Iraq about as low as it can go - attacking Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for being a childless woman." Referring to Boxer's "tasteless jibes", the paper called on her to apologize. Missing the point, the editors wrote, "The junior senator from California apparently believes that an accomplished, seasoned diplomat, a renowned scholar and an adviser to two presidents like Condoleezza Rice is not fully qualified to make policy at the highest levels of the American government because she is a single, childless woman." But they weren't the only ones to miss the point - or lob insults Boxer's way.

A post at Little Green Footballs, in discussing Boxer's comments, suggested "we'd better get ready for two years of political grandstanding, ugly personal attacks, and undercutting America's security in time of war." Blogger B.T. at Ankle Biting Pundits titled a post on Boxer "Barbara Boxer: Arrogant *itch". At Wizbang, Kim Priestap said, "I can't imagine anyone saying anything more reprehensible or cruel", while sitemate Lorie Byrd asked, "Why is it that only liberal women who choose the feminist ideal lifestyle get any praise for it? Liberals evidently want to keep conservative women barefoot and pregnant." In a National Review Online twofer, Kathryn Jean Lopez said that, for the Democrats, it's "Attack the single black female Secretary of State because she is a single black female Secretary of State Week", adding that "The word I'm thinking of rhymes with witch." Wrote Lopez, "When The View loses Rosie, Barbara Boxer ought to take her seat at the catty table."

Even White House mouthpiece Tony Snow piled on, saying, "I don't know if she was intentionally that tacky, but I do think it's outrageous." He later added, "Great leap backward for feminism." At NewsBusters, a site priding itself on its place in White House strategy, Warner Todd Huston wondered "Is this an acceptable criticism of a political official?" Calling it an "intemperate verbal assault," Huston scanned "other MSN sources" to see how they covered "the outrageous comments of the unbalanced Boxer." (It should be noted that before calling Boxer "unbalanced", Huston asked "Is this the Democrat's new era of niceness, their less rancorous way of governing?" Hmmm.) After coming up predictably empty, Huston then pointed to the New York Post article, saying they were the only outlet that "so far, seems willing to highlight Boxer's unsuitable comportment as a Senator."

Apart from the utter hilarity of a litany of right wingers lecturing anyone on "unsuitable comportment", or on "ugly personal attacks" and "acceptable criticism of an administration official", or on the issue of feminism, note how each and every one of the above examples missed the point - and missed it wildly. It's not about Rice, her gender, her childlessness, her personal life or even her race (as has motivated right-wing outrage before). It's about those so quick to send our young men and women to their deaths - based on lies, remember - not having the perspective to account for the consequences of their action. It's about those who tell military recruiters that service "isn't for our kind of people." It's about right wingers who consider supporting the troops slapping one of their bumper stickers on your car. It's about conservative pundits arguing that there are, in fact, things worth fighting and dying for ... like keeping Nancy Pelosi from becoming Speaker of the House.

Steve Gilliard is right when he says that "People have stopped being polite." If a few Republicans had their delicate sensibilities offended by some words in a hearing, it A. Doesn't say much for their worth in an actual combat situation and B. Doesn't matter one damn bit. The time for politeness on a life-or-death issue like Iraq ended months before Mission Accomplished. People are dying, every day, and to tread lightly around the fact that this administration doesn't know what it's doing and doesn't know what it's talking about is intellectually and morally irresponsible. We shouldn't have a Secretary of State who, when asked what the administration's plan was if escalation fails, says, "It's bad policy to speculate on what you'll do if a plan fails when you're trying to make a plan work." Nor should we have a Secretary of Defense who tells lawmakers, "I would confess I'm no expert on Iraq" and that he was "no expert on military matters."

If we let some seemingly hurt feelings get in the way of serious incompetence and lack of perspective, we've failed as citizens and as a nation. The right wing, here, is reacting rather predictably, because that's all they've got left. America has abandoned their wrongheaded ideology. What's more, their opinion leaders flail about, still unable to come to grips with last November's election. They lob insults, endlessly discuss non-issues and embarrass themselves by how out-of-touch they truly are. They gawk at the fender-bender without realizing they were the ones behind the wheel. Democrats like Boxer don't owe anyone an apology. Republicans like Rice owe America some answers.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:14 PM
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1. If Boxer
apologizes to that murdering war criminal fucking bitch I will lose sooo much respect for her.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:32 PM
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62. Swiftboating, much ado about something that didn't even happen. Boxer didn't insult anybody, and if
Condolizard is hypersensitive about not having a family, how in the world is that Barbara Boxer's problem?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:28 PM
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:15 PM
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2. Thank you Bobcat! Absolutely right.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:17 PM
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60. NO More Apologies - more RW distractions, whinning as usual
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:41 PM
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63. ACTION: Let's support our Senator. Here are numbers to Call/Fax Boxer, Reid, & the Stupid Media
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 09:01 PM by tblue
Boxer is absolutely in the right on this.

Poor innocent little black husbandless C*ndi. Give me an effin break! It's just the usual r/w smokescreen. If they're outraged for anyone, it should be for all the dead and dying in Iraq.

Write the Media:
http://capwiz.com/pfaw/dbq/media/

Barbara Boxer
San Francisco Office: (415) 403-0100 / (415) 956-6701 fax
Washington D.C. Office: (202) 224-3553 (No fax # listed)

Harry Reid
Washington Office: Phone: 202-224-3542 / Fax: 202-224-7327
Carson, NV, Office: Phone: 775-882-7343 / Fax: 775-883-1980

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:04 PM
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79. Email Boxer A Note Of Support
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:55 AM
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112. Done.
Thank you so much for your pointed gut level questioning of Condoleeza Rice. The administration operatives need to publicly have to respond to the tragedy, pain and heartache that people experience as a consequence of this war. The committee did an impressive serious job. War is not just about numbers and tactics.

thanks.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:28 PM
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136. done
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Bushies gotta go Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:25 PM
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88. Abso-freaking-lutely
Screw the right wing, stand up and fight them back! No more swift boats!!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:16 PM
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3. She didn't do anything wrong
her comment was fact .

No apologies needed IMO
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:27 PM
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17. I saw the video of her comment and it would take a real RW wacko
to make that into a dig, subtle or otherwise, at Condi.

Boxer was just saying what every Dem commentator is saying, something like, "I don't have (or I do have) relatives who might face this war in Iraq, then realizing that Condi didn't have any relatives, she said, the same can be said of you or something of the sort, without the slightest tone of rancor or irony or anything else, and immediately continued her main point.

This was not intended to be a personal attack in any sense. She should ask these news sources to apologize. They have taken offense when one was not only not intended but would have gone unnoticed and unremarked except for the hyper paranoia and even psychosis of these RW nuts.

I think the video of Boxer's comments are available, not sure where.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:30 PM
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50. I saw the video too
Boxer's statement could apply to me a mother with no family member in Iraq
just as easily as it was applied to condi .


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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:16 PM
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4. Excellent post!
And researched.

More then i can say for the screeds that pass as commentary from the RW that are blasting Boxer.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:17 PM
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5. So have they also demanded Alan Keyes apologize for calling gays
"heathens"? I mean, since Mary Cheney is now pregnant, I figure it's only a matter of time before gays are allowed to marry and adopt and anyone who calls them names is made to apologize.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:20 PM
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6. NO APOLOGIES EVER AGAIN!
Let's make that a rule.
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NegSpin Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:03 PM
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56. No Apologies
Political apologies are stupid. If you think something then you think it still even if you apologize about it.

Maybe in day to day life, like this, you bump someone in the grocery line you can say "Hey, sorry." But politically, it is MORONIC to apologize. If they can't take the heat....and all that!

There's nothing to apologize in a case like this anyway. It's all pretended outrage, to score political points.

Tell the stupid conservatives to lump it.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:17 PM
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71. No apologies.
Ditto. Ditto. Double-ditto.

I like my rep to have big brass ones, be they balls or ovaries. You Californians are lucky: Boxer's ovaries are made of titanium. I don't see her apologizing for this or anything.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:21 PM
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7. Hit the nail on the head with this (non) issue
Who's really making a big deal out of this--besides the New York Post, Fox News, and Tony Snow? Nobody is paying attention to the context, or the point itself, of what Boxer was saying. John Gibson had a feminist on his show about an hour ago, and he kept yelling about the OUTRAGE, the SHAME, the DESPICABLE blah blah blah. And to her credit, there was no real argument from the feminist. She merely responded to every statement with words to the effect of "John, you didn't listen to what Boxer really said, did you?" Right on.

Boxer has no need to apologize for an innocent comment that's been distorted beyond all recognition by right-wing wackos. Especially those who would shamelessly attempt to speak for those who are female, black, and/or single in America today.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:31 AM
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93. Our local news ran it this evening. They always support the administration.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:21 PM
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8. did bush??
Thursday, September 28, 2006
AP: Bush says Democrats the 'party of cut-and-run'
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush counterpunched at Democrats on Thursday, saying their criticism of the war in Iraq has turned their party into one of "cut-and-run" obstructionists.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:53 PM
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33. Great post
The Repugs really shouldn't go there. Really. Shouldn't.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:22 PM
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9. Frankly, every time the media pulls one of these "outraged" stunts
I know that the person on the other end of the assault is probably right on target. It's what the do to Kerry day in and day out, and to anyone who stands up to the cabal. THEY (the media) are the reason people think that the Democrats have an "image problem" or "don't stand for anything": it's because THEY ARE IN CONTROL OF THE IMAGE.

I hope we remember that come primary season, and in the general election.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:34 PM
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122. Once again, the "liberal media" is trying to change the focus of the debate.
Instead of focusing on her message that only the troops and their families pay the price for this so-called "war on terror", as Barbara Boxer was trying to do, the right-wing wackos attack the messenger, thereby avoiding an actual discussion on the issues. And the "liberal media" complies once again.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:42 PM
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124. This isn't just an attack on Boxer - this is a "shot across the bow" - to warn others not
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 12:42 PM by file83
to bring this point up during governmental proceedings. It is a very important and effective point that they must do everything to prevent from occuring because it is so damaging to the Pro-War stance.
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BobcatJH Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:22 PM
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10. Thanks, everyone
Feel free to stop by my site and poke around ... it's the Friday Fundraiser there, after all! (And did I mention I put the "fun" in "fundraiser"?) Ha ha!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:22 PM
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11. Newt Gingrich's 1996 GOPAC memo
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:22 PM
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12. I am childless
though I am a stepmother and step grandmother. But even if I were single again and childless, I wouldn't have taken what Boxer said as an insult-in fact, I'd think it a badge of honor, because it would mean that I have lived up to my ideal of not having children to burden the planet.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:36 PM
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22. Right on!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 07:37 AM
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104. I am not insulted.
No kids, here. No insult taken, nor even heard.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:23 AM
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118. Me Neither.
Childfree woman here with a brother who is currently over in Baghdad. Why should Boxer be chastised for stating the obvious? It's not an insult to point out that a woman hasn't procreated. That is, unless you are desperate to deflect attention away from yourselves as the SS Lord Pissypants sinks in the Potomac.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:29 AM
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119. Ye gods
I don't have children, either. It never even occurred to me that was some kind of insult to childless women.

That poor straw is in tatters after getting grasped at so many times.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:23 PM
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13. Ben Franklin's American not Roy Cohn's
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 06:51 PM by orpupilofnature57
Kkkarl trained militant,how bout that!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:23 PM
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14. "Phony outrage" is all it is
Odd, though, that they're getting less and less bang for their phony buck on this kind of crap. Remember how distressed everyone was in 2004 when Jon Edwards had the audacity to mention Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter during the vice presidential debate? Cheney murmured his appreciation for Edwards' sensitivity, but boy oh boy did the right wing get all up in there manufacturing outrage like cheap t-shirts in Saipan.

Nowadays, the popular media seem just a smidgen more discerning (Faux notwithstanding), and the Mighty Republican Wurlitzer doesn't have quite so many voices in the chorus.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:41 PM
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26. It is the lowest, most cynical and devious attempt to spin someone's words...
...that I've ever seen. Sen. Boxer's remarks were on point and relevant. And she came nowhere near saying what Fuck Snooze and Tony Blow are claiming she said. I hope that congressional Dems identify this as a huge clue about how far down the GOP and its media lapdogs are willing to drag the dialogue.

This is all about distracting the country from the fact that Bush wants to squander 21,500 more American lives in his pursuit of global hegemony, and they are just making shit up as they go along. Dems need to fight back and show the world what disingenuous pigs Republicans really are.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:26 PM
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15. these demands for apologies at gunpoint
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 06:39 PM by AtomicKitten
always remind me of the scene in A Fish Called Wanda where Kevin Kline has John Cleese upside down dangling out of a window demanding an apology.

(Otto dangles Archie out a window.)

Archie: All right, all right, I apologize.

Otto: You're really sorry!

Archie: I'm really really sorry, I apologize unreservedly.

Otto: You take it back!

Archie: I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

Otto: OK.


(Kevin Kline and Michael Palin)
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:27 PM
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16. Great post!!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:29 PM
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18. Perhaps it's time to note
That none other than Laura Bush made the following comment about Condi seeking the office of president...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2006/12/bushs_first_com.html

<snip>
The President also said there is no doubt in his mind that a woman candidate could be president, and the First Lady agreed. Mrs. Bush referenced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and noted that while she would be a "really good candidate", Rice is not interested in the job.

"Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job," the First Lady said.

So, why the deliberate misunderstanding of Boxer's comments, and the pass on Laura's, which seemed to me to be condescending, deliberately pointing out that while Rice has a career, because she is unmarried, and doesn't have children, she couldn't possibly be president. The Republics get all huffy about the weirdest things. Having snit fits and temper tantrums isn't a particularly attractive trait in a political party.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:10 PM
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40. Thank you. Laura Bush should be the one apologizing to Condi over 'childless' jabs
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 07:11 PM by ReadTomPaine
Boxer is doing her job and she does it quite well. I really don't want to see any more apologies from Democrats toward the GOP.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:13 PM
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82. Laura also specifically said Condi had no "supportive friends"
OR supportive (i.e., immediate) family.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:06 AM
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107. What Laura said was mean-spirited!
What Boxer said was the truth.

Christ, right wingers are so freaking stupid...:dunce:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:23 PM
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46. The operative words
Deliberate misunderstanding. They pull this shit all the time. It's time to just say shut the fuck up. They did it to Kerry twice that I can recall, and Hillary Clinton thought he should apologize for screwing up a punch line. Dumb ass Kerry did, and that's one of the reasons he wasn't elected. Timidity in the face of feigned outrage always loses. It's best to just get in their faces and use the Cheney lexicon. The fact that Republican leaders like Grover Norquist packs fudge isn't the issue. The issue is they are they all self loathing. In the end, thought disorders and loose associations always fail. Giving in to them is a bad policy.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:23 PM
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47. The operative words
Deliberate misunderstanding. They pull this shit all the time. It's time to just say shut the fuck up. They did it to Kerry twice that I can recall, and Hillary Clinton thought he should apologize for screwing up a punch line. Dumb ass Kerry did, and that's one of the reasons he wasn't elected. Timidity in the face of feigned outrage always loses. It's best to just get in their faces and use the Cheney lexicon. The fact that Republican leaders like Grover Norquist packs fudge isn't the issue. The issue is they are they all self loathing. In the end, thought disorders and loose associations always fail. Giving in to them is a bad policy.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:07 PM
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68. Thanks for posting our First Lady's comments - was looking if someone did.
This is nothing but the common right wing attacks on individuals to divert from the message. We are so used to that we should NEVER fall for it any more.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:30 PM
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19. Boxer said nothing wrong
MSNBC had the outraged neocon on this morning and it was disgusting. Senator Boxer made a valid point. If the freepers had something intelligent to say we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's simply a diversion and it's high time we don't get caught up in the nonsense. Most people I know didn't have a problem understanding what the senator met. I do have a 16 year old daughter and if there is a draft I will do what is necessary to keep her out. I also have two nieces and two nephews and one of my cousin's has two boys that would be draft age soon. All of these young people are part of my immediate family as well as tons of young people I know-and don't know for that matter.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:31 PM
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20. phony outrage, just like everything else the republicans "stand" for
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:31 PM
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21. Murtha attacked troops/Kerry insulted troops/Boxer insulted single women. Pass the Feign-Feign
Don't forget your bottle of Feign-Feign, for when Republicans need to act outraged.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:37 PM
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23. Rice's dried up eggs should take a chill pill
They have successfully taken the emphasis away from the true matter, the troops and their families pay the price for repeated failed endeavors to save Bush's and Condi's egos, frankly if it could save one life, ego be dammned.

Boxer did what she had to, she made a disclaimer that as far as she understoon Condi has has no imediate family in the service....
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #23
70. Rice isn't the one who needs to chill, it's the RW outrage machine
Rice isn't the one who took offense. Boxer's comments aren't tea-party polite, but I have no problem with what she said.

The dried-up eggs thing doesn't sit well with me. All women deserve a basic level of respect, IMO.

Peace.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:35 AM
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120. Today She's Whining
Golly, gosh and gee I thought single women had come futther than that according to Rice. She had to do her part to keep this ridiculous spin going.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #120
127. Again, it's the dried-up eggs comment that crosses the line.
Is that the kind of ugliness we stand for? I think not.

Stick to her politics and I'm with you all the way.

Peace.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #127
129. What dried up eggs comment?
I would like to see where Boxer said anything about dried up eggs. I have heard neocons comment about it, but to the best of my knowledge, Boxer said nothing about reproduction or choosing not to have children.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:36 PM
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131. Who Said Her Eggs Were "Dried Up"?
Isn't what is at issue here...supposedly, according to the Shrubsuckers...is that Boxer called her out on not having children?

Well, wasn't that Condi's choice, to remain childfree, to focus on other endeavors?

Why don't people get that the state of a childfree woman's eggs has nothing to do with anything? What does it matter if they are viable or dried or purple or pink? The point is, the woman CHOSE not to use them.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #131
132. Look upthread at the parent post.
I have no problem with Boxer's comment; she made a good point.

But when I read the parent post (melissinha) dissing Rice for her aged ovaries, it reminded me of what I see from RW cranks. It's an antifeminist, boorish comment.

The real target is Rice's politics, not her reproductive organs. Plenty of material to work with there. Just sayin'.

Peace.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #132
135. Ah, Yes...
...and I absolutely agree with you.

It's the same mindset that enabled doctors in this country to deny adult women tubal ligations. And don't think that it doesn't happen...I had to jump through hoops to get mine, and I am one of the lucky ones, in that I actually managed to get the surgery.

I wasn't criticizing, was just confused. Peace right back atcha.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:38 PM
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24. Obfuscation is for the weak-minded...
...when they have absolutely nothing to say.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:39 PM
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25. there's no liar in the world like a conservative liar.
the moon is green cheese if there is one truly offended monkey brain in that whole kit and kaboodle.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:41 PM
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27. rice is secretary of state as bush is president of the united states.
boxer was only asking for the sacrifice we could share like, a draft, or paying for the war instead of putting it on the credit card.
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m_welby Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:42 PM
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28. It's just SOP for these guys

They don't really give a damn about it (or condi), they're trying to make Ms. Boxer to back down so they can keep the 'dems are weak' meme going.

No Republican EVER apologizes for any of the reprehensible things they've said, or the distortions, or slander, or outright lies.

No More apologies!

The gloves are off! (and if they don't like it too bad!) It's about time the Dem's went on the offensive, you don't get a lot of mileage out of being on the defensive, complaining about every attack. You do get mileage from the initial attack, and the republicans know it, that's why they work so hard to stop democrats from doing it.


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Kerry fan Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:43 PM
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29. A very good example
Of why we need to defend EVERY Democrat, unless they have committed a crime.

Whether your favorite presidential candidate or not.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
76. You said it, Kerry fan. Everybody is defending Boxer, and I
sure as hell hope ALL Democrats defend her. But the way SOME Democrats threw Kerry under the bus during the feigned outrage over the joke still hurts. We need to all stick together against the attack machine.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:43 PM
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30. Then let's have the Gold Star moms say the same thing to her
that ought to coat all the phony outrage with true moral authority -- those moms certainly had "skin in the game" as we say -- but I highly doubt the Secretary of Ferragamo would allow the Gold Star moms to interview her or even meet with her.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:46 PM
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31. APOLOGIZE? She was far too nice! n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:49 PM
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32. Boxer never called Rice "Childless" - she referred to immediate family, which includes siblings
and parents etc.

Apparantely, Condi Rice has none of the above....And just as Boxer was saying about her immediate family (her parents are dead, she and her husband are too old, her siblings are too old, her kids are too old and her grandchildren too young) her point is that she has no skin in the game and neither does Condi Rice. How that is an insult is beyond me. She was simply stating the facts. This was not an attack on Condi being "single" or childless.

Boxer could have asked the same of an older male whose parents are dead, has no siblings nor children.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:54 PM
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34. female, 42, childless here - and I totally agree with Boxer
None of the people in this Administration have skin in the game. They are sending other people's sons, daughters, husbands, wives, brothers, and sisters to die.

And all of these warmongers have never seen combat themselves. Draftdodger Cheney and cocaine sniffing Bush knew how to avoid Vietnam.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:03 AM
Response to Reply #34
108. Childless Too - And I Am Insulted

I get insulted every time the damn Conswervatives get on their anti marriage equality bandwagon and say that the purpose of marriage being to raise children. What does that say about my heterosexual childless marriage of twelve years? Don't they realize how cruel that is to some one like me (who can't have children)?

And now these same people want to criticize Boxer for her comment to Rice?

:mad:

:grr:

:nuke:
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:55 PM
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35. How that comment turned into an "attack"
on Condi because she isn't married and doesn't have children is beynod me. That thinking can only come from Repuplicans who think that unmarried, childless women are immoral, and are flying in the face of God's will.

They are really the only ones (besides the MSM, who will jump at anything that promises a story from the fundies) who will look at it that way.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:56 PM
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36. Great post, but I wouldn't click on some of those links to save my life!
I mean, c'mon.. Little Green Footballs? NY Post? Newsbusters?

Love you Bobcat ~ ~ but not enough to open those links!
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Greg Helmsley Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:59 PM
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37. Freepers are now calling Boxer "racist"
How dumb can that be?!? :puke:
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Freepers are COCKROACHES
Who gives a (^%$@ what the lowlife, sleazy, nasty little dirtballs say?


Look at the evil, un-patriotic SOB they worship!!!! -->




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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:44 PM
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77. No they're not. They're human beings we disagree with.
Didn't you see Hotel Rawanda? They went on the radio and said the Tutsis were "cockroaches" and 500,000 of them were murdered by militias. You shouldn't use the same rhetoric of those murderers.

Let's think before we type.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #77
94. Thanks for reminding us to think before we type. ALL repukes ARE cockroaches.
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 12:48 AM by TankLV
ESPECIALLY those in OUR White House and the Congress...

I thought about it very carefully, too, thankyouverymuch.

Again, thanks for your "concern"...

"...accomplished, seasoned diplomat, a renowned scholar..." in no way shape or form by the wildest wishing or imagination would ever describe that BITCH...

Let's see - NOW repukes all also suddenly "concerned" about "feminism" and "minorities", etc..., these same groups ("them") that they spend the other 99.999999% of the time ridiculing and demeaning...

...yeah - THAT'LL work!...
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #77
109. "Hotel Rawanda" came to mind immediately when I saw this
Thank you. Let's not become the evil we detest.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. If she really were racist, they'd be standing in a line to defend her and vote for her.
The GOP never met a white supremacist they didn't like.

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. There's an old quote that still holds true that goes....
..."Not all Republicans are racists. But all racists are Republican"

Sadly, it's a true statement.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #49
113. To which of the
two major political parties is the Klan most closely aligned? The only response the wing nuts have to that question is bringing up something Robert Byrd regrets doing 60 years ago.
Bigotry, thy name is GOP.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #37
101. They say whatever is convenient
When a Republican does something that is clearly racist, they make out like racism doesn't exist, but when then turn around and call Democrats racist for dumb reasons.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:00 PM
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38. The sociopaths always want the dems on the defensive.
Just ignore the crooks.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:02 PM
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39. Will she cave?
I pray not. But we shall see.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #39
78. It depends on what the other Democrats do, now doesn't it?
If they throw her under the bus, then she'll be forced to apologize (just like Kerry). If they stick by her, she won't have to. No doubt in my mind, if asked, Kerry will defend her. But with the leadership? Who knows.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #39
87. On AA tonight, they said her response was "What I said was appropriate."
:)
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:12 PM
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42. PURE Grasping At Straws! If The Lady Is That Sensitive...
she needs to move her ass out of the way!! Oh, Daddy, Daddy... they're picking on me!!

Buck up CONDI! Think about ALL the crap you people have slung around for SIX LONG YEARS! Now, these corrupt people want to have a hissy fit and have a PITY Party!

Oh, my heart just bleeds!

:sarcasm:
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:17 PM
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44. K & R. Great job!
I think that if the Republicans had any serious ideas for how to get us out of this mess, they would be sharing them with us. Since they don't they have to do the only thing they CAN do -- whine and level "ugly personal attacks." They're REALLY good at both, only now the rest of the country ain't buying it.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:22 PM
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45. Where were they when Laura Bush said Condi shouldn't be

president because she doesn't have a family to be supportive of her in that very, very hard job? (It's hard work being pResident!)
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:25 PM
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48. KR... once again an outstanding post.........
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:40 PM
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51. As they say
the best defense is a good offense.

They do a terrific job of turning things around. I once had a husband who was a master at that.
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LuckyX Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:42 PM
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52. Why don't we just
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 07:42 PM by LuckyX
turn Iraq over to Saudi Arabia and Israel, let them send their troops since they are the ones who wanted this war
from day one!
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:47 PM
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53. Damn Right
You are damn right. I wanted to post about this when I heard the story on "Inside Edition" Barbara Boxer should not apologize and I am extremely proud of her. I was very pissed off when I first heard the story. I could not believe that Rice and Fox News had the gall to try to turn this into Boxer being mean to single people or being mean to Rice for being single. Rice and Fox News know full well that Boxer was just speaking the truth in pointing out that many of the people in power were not paying any price for this war. Rice and Fox News know full well that this had nothing to do with the fact that Rice was single, but the fact that she did not have any kids or family members who could be affected by this war. I am so happy that Boxer stood up and refused to apologize.
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danm8r Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:50 PM
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54. fight back people!
It is unbelieveable how fast this is spreading in the right wing wack world

And the way it's being spun is nuts!

http://shotinthedark.info/wp/index.php/2007/01/12/the-tofu-ceiling/

"Barbara Boxer took a swipe at one of America’s two foremost black working women, and the most powerful black woman in US government history, dinging Condi Rice - a woman who is in every way Boxer’s better - for not having children:"
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:54 PM
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55. Just as an aside to this...
Senator Kit Bond (R -MO), was quoted in the St. Lous Post as being skeptical of a troop surge. The article noted that his son was going to Iraq for a second tour shortly. Now I don't care at all for Kit Bond, even though I am stuck with him as a Senator, but his comment did cause me to write him and thank him for his comment.

Isn't Odd how having "skin in the game" can cause one to pause just a moment and consider the consequences of your actions.

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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:09 PM
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57. Demonizing a liberal woman. Always a strategy when you're
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 08:10 PM by stanwyck
down and out in freeperville. There's always Hillary. Or Barbara Boxer.
You are 100% correct -- Barbara Boxer owes no apology.
And, if the Bushbots were smart, they'd squash this story.
It will resonate with Americans.
There is already the growing attitude that this administration doesn't understand the human cost. And Bush and Condi have been inept at illustrating any genuine empathy for the military and the military families.
Keep the story going, Bushies. It's working against you.

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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:13 PM
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58. She said nothing wrong n/t
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:13 PM
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59. These RW smears are getting tiresome
Since the majority of the country has finally opened their eyes to BushCo propaganda techniques, I think Rove's dirty trick bag must be empty.

You're my hero, Barbara Boxer. Thank you for saying what so many are thinking!!
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jelly Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:53 PM
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65. We can't be the only ones who see so clearly through
their desperate (more so than ever), filthy, spin-n-smear tactics, can we? I mean, can we?? But if not, why the hell are they still doing it?!?!

To those Americans who have not already, I want to scream, WAKE UP!!!!: the conservative lapdogs in the MSM are playing you for fools, and not just fools, damned fools.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:23 PM
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61. I have a cousin in Iraq, plus several people I know....
It's people like them, and their family, friends and loved ones who pay the price. Not people like Condi Rice, or even, as she admits, Barbara Boxer. To turn that line of questioning into some kind of attack against Rice being childless is ridiculous. If that is the level of comprehension our school system has produced then I guess we are fucked, because only the stupidest fuckers alive could take Boxer's statements like that.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:14 PM
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69. I have a cousin there, too
He's guarding a base near Tikrit. His brother was there two years ago for a fifteen month stint, three months longer than he was supposed to have been.

Boxer's comments were spot on target and hurt Condi's case. Therefore, it required a fictional shield to deflect its power. The Reichwingers are ramping this up at the urging of their overlords to make Boxer's comments go away.

It is our duty to make sure Boxer's point is taken and prevails. Warmongers like Bush, Rice, Cheney, etc., have no skin in the game. They don't care. Tell a friend.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #69
100. spot on
couldn't say it any better. :)
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:47 PM
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64. Immediate family = parents, kids, siblings, grandkids and sometimes
nieces/nephews.

Not an issue. Boxer identified her immediate family. Condi has no immediate family that would go to war. She stated a fact. The right needs to get over.

Or go after Laura for making the same type of comment.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:01 PM
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66. It seems hideously obvious
Boxer is too old for military service.

Boxer's kids are also too old for military service, unless they start raising the enlistment age again.

And Boxer's grandkid(s) are too young.

So, unless this occupation drags out for decades (which does not seem as far-fetched as it used to seem), Boxer will not have a personal, familial stake in the war.

And Condi, who is unmarried and childless, will also not have a familian stake in the conflict either unless Dubya shows the same competence in putting on a condem as he does protecting our troops.

What Boxer said was neither insulting nor untrue. It also makes a valid point.

Freepers, go chug a Schlitz and relax a little.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:07 PM
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67. Rub this in their face every time one of them opens their fat, hypocritical mouth...
The President also said there is no doubt in his mind that a woman candidate could be president, and the First Lady agreed. Mrs. Bush referenced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and noted that while she would be a "really good candidate", Rice is not interested in the job.

"Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job," the First Lady said.


Where's the outrage now, freepers?





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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:18 PM
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72. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds
I had no idea what the point was until you spelled it out for me.

Only those right wing neanderthals would take an innocent comment that referred to a woman being childless as an insult.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:27 PM
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73. Distract, distract, distract! That's what this is about.
The president's speech Wed. night was a disaster. People were sickened by it.

They're also trying to cover up what actually happened at the hearings. I diaried about it today with extensive excerpts of what was said. Rice was trounced and called out as a liar by Hagel. That's pretty embarassing. It's best to change the subject and quick.

Here's the diary, in case you want to read it:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/12/91818/9030

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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:33 PM
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74. I'm Childless
Does this mean that I shouldn't care about other people's kids dying in Iraq? As a person who is childless (not due to choice), I really felt put off by Sen. Boxer's remarks. While I don't think that she needs to apologize to Kindasleezy, I think that she should have been a little more, um, sensitive to women who don't have children. She really should have asked when the Bush family was going to sacrifice by sending some of their younger generation.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:33 PM
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125. I have children. They are NOT in Iraq. Boxer included me too in the group
who doesn't have a personal investment in the war. I however don't try to get other people's children killed, so no one needs to get outraged on my behalf.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:40 PM
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75. I can't imagine that Barbara Boxer would apologize for this.
If she even entertains the idea of an apology, I hope she insists it's on national tv so she can ask Condi to her face why she would be offended by what Boxer said. Condi would look like a wimp before the entire world and we would never have to worry about her being elected president. Come on, Barbara, challenge Condi to a face off.
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:05 PM
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80. That NY Post diatribe reads like it was written by a sixth grader
for an audience of third graders. Now THERE's the insult -- or maybe they just know their audience. ((sigh))
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:06 PM
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81. K and R. n/t
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:20 PM
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83. The right wingnuts can only talk because they've got no action.
If they want action, then the repukes should go enlist since they have a hard on for the surge.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:28 PM
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85. I can't even believe this crap is getting any tread with the media
Apparently, right wingnuts can't distinguish between a truthful, or factual statement, and the bullshit they pass off as reality on a daily basis. It's funny - when they resort to petty namecalling, whiny accusations, etc., it's their freedom of speech and right to an "opinion" - even if that "opinion" is based on nothing but fantasy.

Someone should just remind them about their indignation and name-calling when Condi and Pickles presided over the appointment of that gay doctor to some international AIDS thingy - and referred to his male partner as a member of the FAMILY.

The wingnuts went loopy over that scene. . .
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:52 PM
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86. The more they scream about apologies,
cut them deeper and deeper until we see the "dark" blood! Fuck all you stinking republicks. Take no prisoners, apologize for NOTHING!!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:28 PM
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89. Boxer was trying to establish "common ground" and objectivity.
Which is the trademark of a True Diplomat and a good debater.

"let's see how how we can approach this issue. I have no personal stake because...la de dah,... and neither do you because ....la de dah."

Unlike the Bush administration - including Rice - which acts only on their own pre-conceptions without any regard to the history or background of the person they are dictating to.

Boxer is a diplomat. Bush and Rice are dictators. 'nuff said.
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Q32 Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:40 PM
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90. Rice owes Boxer - and every other Democrat - an apology.
She's been a disgrace, as has been her boss. Your mention of the "outrage machine" is spot on and reminds me of the Repuke whining after the Wellstone funeral. My hatred of those bastards holds no bounds.
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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:45 PM
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91. But they were so hard on Condi
:sarcasm:
I heard Mrs. Alito was watching on TV and broke down in tears.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:59 PM
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139. Snort!
Good one.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:26 AM
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92. It's their diversion...Boxer was right on...When you're not making a sacrifice platitudes are easy!!
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:28 AM
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96. "Diversion" is right
This is what the RW does ALL the time....try to change the subject by feigned outrage over something innocuous. When they do it, though, they're frightened. Condi got her ass kicked the other day...not only by Barbara Boxer, either. And rightly so. These people couldn't argue the issues she was confronted with, so they picked a perfectly factual comment and made it into...what? An attack on single women? Childless women? Good god.
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LuckyX Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:25 AM
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95. Rich people never go to war
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 01:51 AM by LuckyX
anymore. They used to. they had to come home a war hero to be able to run for political office.
If you look under the covers much of their service is fake. Like Ronnie RayGuns, he served
during WW ll making war films...LMAO
That is the beauty of the volunteer army, they are all from the "other malls."
Rangle was right, fire up the draft with no deferments and the war cycle ends.

Vietnam finally ended when middle class kids started dying. But since the middle class
has already died, it will be when rich kids die.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:29 AM
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97. Barbara Boxer is my hero.
My senator, and a great American; every time I think about her lone vote of dissent on the Ohio ballots, I get choked up.

She's the real thing. I don't tolerate criticism of her. Ever. I could easily get physically violent over this issue, and that's just not my style. But Barbara Boxer deserves that kind of defense.

Anybody who says anything against her in my presence gets an increasingly louder voice, and full-on rage hackles. If they don't shut up -- who knows.

That's the Woman. She should be running for President. The fact that she's not speaks volumes about the stupidity of large chunks of Walmart Nation.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:38 AM
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98. Real outrage is that this is already in motion without regards to the will of the people!!
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 01:40 AM by 48percenter
The real outrage is the phony hypocrisy of the Right Wingers spouting off their filthy pie-holes over this non-issue. Boxer was entirely correct to call it as she sees it: the armchair generals et al, sit in their high perches and play chess with our young men and women's lives without so much as a care in the world.

Bush care? Fuck no, his little whores are in South America whoopin it up with the caiprihnas, buyin' land and losing cell phones.

Condi care? Nope, no demon spawn there to give a nanosecond of thought to.

Typical RW Bullshit and spin, their grasping at straws for something to redeem themselves for perping yet another crime on the American public.
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Eastcoastdem Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:41 AM
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99. A - FUCKING - MEN!!!
the day we start getting some answers is the day i *might* take their feelings into consideration. That was sooo good, and right on the mark, i can't imagine it being said any better
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 05:04 AM
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102. Very rovian method
Attacking Boxer on 'her own turf', that is; for anti-feminism and hidden racism. This way of political smearing has several of the 'qualities' now so common for the rw movement:

1. Double standards, to a level where it becomes nauseating. No one believes these people to be feminists, anti-abortionists and religious fanatics as they are. And as for racism, just look at Now Orleans and the handling of the Katrina disaster, and the rethoric as it goes towards muslims and coloured people in general.
But oh, suddenly they're all soft and warm towards these liberal standards, and accuses Boxer of not being liberal enough.

2. Pick an episode out of the timeline, out of time context, and treat the target as being up for judgment on this episode alone. Never mind her track record as a very decent senator, who has done a lot of work in the past that disproves these silly accusations.
Here:
"In 1991, during the Anita Hill Senate hearings, where Hill accused U.S. Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment, Boxer led a group of women House members to the Senate Judiciary Committee -- demanding that the all-white, all-male Committee of Senators take Hill's charges seriously."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer
There's more at wikipedia to show her good work, in nearly every way, I'd say :-)
Condi Rice is of course portrayed as an innocent 'black woman of the people', who is being treated unfairly by the 'system'. Which she isn't, she's one of the most powerful people in the world as US Secretary of State and more powerful than Boxer in that respect.

3. The accusation bear little controversy in itself, even being part of a sentence where Boxer uses her own 'non-participation' in the war as an example that Condi Rice should now consider the price thats being payed by other people, the American families.
It is picked up, reverbated and becomes an ambiguity; thru distortion and mis-quoting by the rw grass root (and probably the MSM), Boxer will end up having said something entirely different. The third party reference to what she said - and the opinator's interpretation of same, instead of actually producing the quote of what she said, becomes a part of the smear process.
We saw this with Kerry and his joke about being stuck in Iraq, Cindy Sheehan and her bi-sentence, offline remark about Israel/Palestine and many, many other examples.

In the strange topsy turvy world of rw extremism this may make an impact, as logical, coherent thought isn't one of their strongest sides, but for normal thinking people Boxer's comment holds no controversy. To the contrary, she spoke the truth.


Senator Barbara Boxer receives 4,500 roses for calling attention to problems with America's election system. (2005-02-14)


As far as politicians go, this is the closest you get to my favourite, lol.
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Greg Helmsley Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 06:54 AM
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103. Being called "anti-feminist" can be brushed off
But being called a racist is way too powerful to be called. It ruins people's lives. Calling someone like Boxer a racist is like calling a black person an n word. And if or when Senator Boxer finds those posts accusing her of racism, I hope her office sues the shit out of those people.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:33 AM
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110. I changed my icon back to boxer.gif to show support,
Senator Boxer has absolutely nothing to apologize for,
the rw screeeechers are slandering her, claiming without
any basis that there are hidden meanings in her words.
They need to apologize to her. Shame on them.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 07:38 AM
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105. Repugs are AFRAID of Boxer - that's why they attack her
And Tony Snow can go to Hell, he's Bush's Bitch - and delusional enough to be proud of it!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 07:56 AM
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106. My Letter to Senator Boxer:
Dear Senator Boxer,

I am watching with amusement while the Republicans and MSM give themselves the vapors over your comments about you and Condoleeza Rice having no one in your immediate family fighting in Iraq.

Those of us with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together understood exactly what you were saying and you were right. I understand some of the bloviating beltway boys are calling for you to apologize. DON'T YOU DARE! You were right. You've been right all along about this war. So were MILLIONS of us who took to the street back in 2003 to oppose entry into this war. We wrote and called and faxed and e-mailed your office and you heard us. (Feinstein? Not so much.)

Could you please just hand the smelling salts to the gas bags across the isle and continue to fight the good fight?

Your Devoted Constituent,
XXXXXX
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:42 AM
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111. Tokenism - GOP-s last refuge. Condi is the "single black woman" when she'swrong
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 09:45 AM by The Count
therefore the perfect lightning rod for the BFEE:
From the OP:"Kathryn Jean Lopez said that, for the Democrats, it's "Attack the single black female Secretary of State because she is a single black female Secretary of State Week"
any time we disagree with her actions/words.(and that's why she is sent out to lie for BFEE so brazenly - she is the single black woman - how can you dare disagree with her?)
The old table turning that got us "political correctness" every time we wouldn't stand by racist or homophobic comments. They can turn this sophistry to household slogans because they have all the microphones.....

And to OP - thanks for a well researched, well thought chronicle of this propaganda blitz. Reminds me of the "Hate France" shameful moment in history.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:08 AM
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114. You know, I doubt that this attack on Boxer will work very well....
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 10:11 AM by Jade Fox
I think the American people understood her point--that all those creating the war in Iraq are making no personal sacrifices for it. Boxer did not insult Rice, only pointed out she is in no danger of losing a son or daughter to this war.

With the huge unpopularity of the "surge" amoung Americans, the Right is desperate to change the subject. I think the only people who made much of a response to this false "outrage" by Boxer, other than the Right Wing bloggers mentioned, were the TV pundits.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:28 AM
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115. Goddamn the right wing media orcs. May they rot in hell.
Starting with the amen, yahoo chorus at Fox News. What the hell are they bitching about? This is worse than the empty Kerry flap. What jagoffs.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:33 AM
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116. Actually, Boxer is awaiting instructions...
...awaiting instructions from the AIPAC and/or some other representatives of the, so-called, Jewish Lobby, before she decides just what she'll do in this case. I've come to believe that virtually every position...every decision...taken by our congressional representatives - Congress and Senate alike - is filtered through the AIPAC screen. In her case, Boxer, has been one of Congress's largest recipients of 'pro-Israel' money over the years and they don't give money for the hell of it.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:36 PM
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126. uh....this is sarcasm, right? Right? RIGHT?????
I do hope so.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:52 AM
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137. That's a ludicrous statement. You must be joking.
Either that, or you know nothing about Barbara Boxer.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:55 AM
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117. At some point it may be necessary for ugly personal attacks. Let's start
with Hannity.
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:38 AM
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121. Of course she shouldn't. All this faux-outrage about what she said is one of the dumbest things
I've ever seen- or rather, one of the things most blatantly based on the belief that the public are stupid.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:38 PM
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123. My take on this is much more basic: 1. Boxer stated a fact - she didn't "tease" Condi
2. No one EVER need feel sorry for Condi
3. Condi is fully capable of defending herself
4. If Condi had a problem with what Boxer said, Condi would have addressed it, right there and then.
5. Since Condi didn't have a problem with it, it just makes the RWSM (right wing spin machine) that much more transparent.

Done &... Done.
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Babsbrain Donating Member (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:13 PM
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128. Condi Has No Friends
PEOPLE Magazine interview excerpt: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20004374_2,00.html

Interviewer:

Nancy Pelosi shattered Congress's glass ceiling by becoming the first female Speaker of the House. Do you think there's anything a woman would do differently with the Presidency?

THE PRESIDENT: I think it depends on the individual, but there's no doubt in my mind a woman could do the job.

Mrs. Bush: I agree. But it isn't easy to live here. Dr. (Condoleezza) Rice, who I think would be a really good candidate, is not interested. Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If Barbara Boxer had made the statement that Condi wouldn't run for President because "You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job", Rupert Murdoch would have had an apoplexy. Laura said that Condi has NO SUPPORTIVE FRIENDS.
Shame, shame, Laura. You need to apologize to Condi.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:19 PM
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130. Everyone, go HERE and WATCH IT
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 02:20 PM by LSK
http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2007/hrg070111a.html

click on "The Administrations Plan for Iraq"

The whole hearing is available in a Real Audio stream and the Boxer part happens around 1hour 43minutes.

Her whole point was illustrating how Military families pay the price.

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 05:20 PM
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133. I love Barbara. She represents my state and I am very proud to say that...
However...I would like to hear her reasoning for her "appearances" in Ct. with LIEberman during the primaries. I am still irritated about that OBVIOUS error in good judgement.

As far as this ridiculous new Boxer "fiasco"...Faux and MSM should be ASHAMED of themselves. Really.
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Tekla West Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 05:41 PM
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134. They had to
focus on something other than the repubs leaving the sinking ship. That would be too much like news. I'm supprised they didn't talk more about what clothes the two of them were wearing.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 06:14 AM
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138. They didn't miss the point
They twisted her words the same way they did with John Kerry's lameass joke about getting stuck in Iraq in an effort to deflect the truth behind what was REALLY said.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 07:01 PM
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140. True.
Even worse than Kerry, because he actually did flub the comment himself. Boxer didn't say ANYTHING wrong or inappropriate. I can't believe anyone could watch that clip and honestly think otherwise.
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