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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:12 PM
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Cafferty File 5 pm Q: Why would the Bush administration. . .
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 05:16 PM by pat_k
. . . suddenly decide to let the FISA court monitor its domestic spy program?

You can answer http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5t.html">here. My response below:

As you well know Jack, we can be fairly confident that they are just lying about this. Why should it be any different than anything else they say?

What they are floating is a lame PR move to attempt to stave off the ground swell for impeachment that we see in the emails to you everyday. Ideally, impeachment is a defense mechanism to cease ongoing abuses against the U.S. Constitution. Now they'll simply be able to claim that their abuses are no longer ongoing when it comes to illegal spying. They still haven't found their fig leaf for ongoing torture and war crimes at Gitmo.

Stay tuned.


And from John Nichol's http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070117/cm_thenation/1158267&printer=1">Bush Backs Down on Warrantless Wiretaps


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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:20 PM
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1. Because they wanted to establish that they are doing the "letting".
FISA's purview is actually established by law. Not by gracious permission of the emperor/king/unitary executive.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:51 PM
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5. Yep. Of course, under the fascist fantasy of Bush as unitary authoritarian. . .
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 05:53 PM by pat_k
. . .they'll continue the criminal surveillance program in secret.

One way or the other, their countless violations of FISA have been committed and confessed to. We have an irrefutable case for impeachment on that front.

Just as their war crimes in Gitmo are irrefutable (even their stacked Supreme Court ruled in Hamdam that three years of war crimes had already been committed).
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:29 PM
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2. mine was kind of like yours
Jack:
You know this is a last-ditch attempt to get the impeachment monkey off this administration's back.How long do you think even the most brain-dead,TV hypnotised citizen is going to allow the U.S. Government to arbitrarily leaf through his mail,e-mails,internet history,purchases...all in the name of "security"?These policies violate every right our Founding Fathers fought for.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:42 PM
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4. Love it! Our lawmakers refuse to utter the word impeachment, but you can bet. . .
. . .it is front and center in their thoughts.

Every time they say "The only option we have is the power of the purse. . ." it rings false.

They KNOW defunding won't change a thing. Bush will just raid other parts of the budget (or get money from Saudi's) to do whatever he wants.

Impeaching bushcheney is the ONLY option. It is the only way to end the unitary usurper's madness of torture, war crimes, and rule by signing statement.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:40 PM
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3. Done. Jack, seems pretty obvious to me.
"With Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy now in charge of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and with Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold now in charge of the Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Constitution, the White House has suddenly developed a newfound respect for the rule of law."

Think the White House legal team might have figured out that even a King can be deposed if the people no longer support him?

This King is not above the law.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:55 PM
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6. Answer: They're doing no such thing
Once someone has said they're going to lie, then they tell you they're going to tell the truth, it means they're going to lie. The same outcome obtains when they first tell you they're going to tell the truth, then they say they're going to lie.

Besides, who will know, really, whether the Bush administration goes to the trouble of having a "secret" court (antithetical to the principles of a free and democratic society) rubber-stamp its spying on the citizens?
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:57 PM
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7. Spot on. They'll never give up their fascist "unitary authoritarian" fantasy.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 05:59 PM
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8. whoa!,,,some good responses
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 08:04 PM
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9. Decided to send a reponse to 7 pm question too. . .
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 08:06 PM by pat_k
The new United Nations Secretary-General says Iraq is the "whole world's problem." Is it?

The quagmire in Iraq and inhumanity spreading throughout the Middle East is a horrible manifestation of the real problem confronting the world.

The real problem is that the massive power of the American presidency is in the hands of lawless men.

Unfortunately, we cannot look to the world for salvation.

Only We the People, through our representatives in Congress, can rescue our Constitution by impeaching Bush and Cheney.

Only We the People can end the torture by impeaching Bush and Cheney.

Only We the People begin to restore the international good will on which our National Security depends by impeaching Bush and Cheney.

Only We the People. Only Impeachment.


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