John Kerry's eco-friendly life style should be an example to John Edwards - (satire alert)

[mzmolly]

Home in PA -
made from 100% recycled materials and powered by wind.
The trees you see pictured here, are actually decorative wind powered energy units.


Ketchem Idaho Ski Chalet -
actually an ice house, both heated and cooled entirely by solar panels.


Wash D.C. -
This home is now on the national historic register.
It was about to be destroyed, when the Kerry family stepped in to save it.
It is rumored to have once housed Martha Washington?


Nantucket MA Waterfront Home -
powered entirely by water current.


Boston MA -
Samuel Adams and The Sons of Liberty gathered in
this very building to plot the Boston Tea Party.
Again, Kerry steps in, to preserve a national treasure.


42' Hinckly Yacht - this boat is powered by a corn powered boiler mechanism.

/sarcasm. :silly:

Joking aside, Kerry owns these homes and the yacht pictured above. Yet, besides Rush Limbaugh and company, who questioned his concern on environmental issues when he ran for President?

[LittleClarkie]

1. You forgot the SUV

Eh, most of those are Teresa's, but the logic still applies, as she's an environmentalist too.

[mzmolly]

4. Ah, yes - who could forget the SUV's

;)

[Firespirit]

17. Actually...

He's decided to use a hybrid SUV now.

I know, I know -- an SUV. But believe it or not, he does actually need the space that it affords.

[mzmolly]

18. I've heard that, and I think it's a good choice. If we all do what is practical and helpful we'll

make progress. I supported Kerry in 2004 and continue to feel he's an asset to Americans. :hi:

[Bluerthanblue]

60. JK spoke in a neighboring town back

during the primaries- He vocalized how he hoped that American car makers would come up with a 'environmentally friendly vehicle'- and that he was hoping that would happen soon. Some people really work to buy domestic vehicles- despite how good the foriegn ones are.- I admire his living out his values.

But what the hell, lets just keep eating our own. It isn't something that only "christians" do as I've come to understand.

:nuke:

[xultar]

2. BUHWAWAWA!

[mzmolly]

5. I'm not very good at satire, but what the heck. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

:hi:

[sandnsea]

3. I did

In almost every post I've made, I've said ALL Democratic leaders need to take the lead on green living. ALL of them.

[mzmolly]

9. Only after being called out on your hypocricy.

HERE > http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=66343&mesg_id=67454

Thanks for the inspiration for the thread though. :hi:

[sandnsea]

13. Not true at all

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=66847&mesg_id=66896

3:19 pm

The one you posted 4:30.

I cannot even believe you are being this fucking petty.

[sandnsea]

6. Nice edit there too n/t

[mzmolly]

7. Thanks, nice backpeddling on your part.

I must be a glutton for punishment - taking you off ignore.

[sandnsea]

8. It's against the rules

To say you're putting people on ignore, and then not following through. So please do.

[mzmolly]

10. I did, for about a day, but I shall again. Please know that you are on ignore and don't

bother replying to my threads/posts in the future. :)

[xultar]

11. They are on my list too. How funny. People say I'm a coward for using

the feature but sometimes you just have too.

[mzmolly]

12. Considering I have two people on my list, and I've made over 20k

posts, I don't care what they say about it. ;) I'm finally learning to enjoy the ignore feature. AHHHHHHH.

:hi:

[sandnsea]

14. I'll reply if I like

Especially to posts that are not so subtle digs at me.

[mtnsnake]

23. All you gotta do

is get a proxy poster, someone to post your message to the one ignoring you.

Got anything you want me to relay to her for ya? :evilgrin:

[mzmolly]

24. I'll wait ... patiently.

;)

[JNelson6563]

55. And the ever popular sockie!

I imagine many a sockie has been recently dusted off and put back into service for the primary season! Perfect for the Ignore situations that arise too.

Julie

[mzmolly]

57. I shall be on the lookout for especially obnoxious and abusive

"sockies." ;)




:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

15. sarcasm albeit fun is guaranteed to piss somebody off

[mzmolly]

16. I sure hope so!

;)

[Mass]

19. Yawn - May be supporters and opponents of Edwards could move on!

You know, there are real issues to be discussed, and, whatever I think on Edwards's house, in all honesty, I am getting tired by now to have to hide all these threads.

[mzmolly]

22. I neither support or oppose John Edwards. But, I do oppose ridiculous

criticism and I think he's been a victim of it, here.

I also appreciate your critique of the subject in general. I think I'll start "hiding" the Edwards threads from now on as well.

:hi:

[crispini]

20. Global warming wasn't as much on the radar ...

of the general public, even two years ago, as it was now. I will confess that I was not nearly as concerned with the problem before I saw Mr. Gore's movie last summer. It has moved considerably up my priorites of what I look for in a candidate now.

In fact, I wonder if that might be the big divide between posters who are concerned about the house thing and those that are not... the former have seen Al Gore's movie, the latter haven't, perhaps? :shrug:

[mzmolly]

21. I own the movie, and appreciate the fact that the Edwards are building an Energy Star home.

Al Gore has been criticized for not being pure enough on this issue as well. I don't think anyone can win if they are under a global warming microscope, we can all only do our best. I've heard Gore elaborate on his solution, and he suggests being carbon neutral. Edwards may very well purchase carbon credits?

[eddiemunster]

28. Interesting...

How many carbon credits do you purchase for a 29,000 square foot home? I'm thinking about doing the same thing on a home I own at Aspen, CO which is roughly the same size...

[mzmolly]

44. I heard it was 10 thousand, then 30 thousand, now the size of the home is 29 thousand?

However, it depends on where you buy the credits.

Here is one company that has a calculator >

http://www.carbonneutral.com/cncalculators/householdcalculatorshop.asp

By filling in the sections below, you can calculate the CO2 emissions created from the day to day running of your home, and then 'neutralise' them through climate friendly projects which save exactly the same amount of carbon dioxide.

On the next page, you can choose the projects, and personalise the CarbonNeutral homes pack.

[Porcupine]

29. When he could have built a ZeroNet energy use house?

That's right, it was more than possible for John Edwards to build a zero net energy use house. Once built the building draws no more energy off the grid or actually feeds a small net energy back to the grid. Several of them exist and they are building more.

The thing is that these buildings are MORE comfortable, quieter and efficient than all other buildings made to date. Year round shirtsleeves environment sometimes with passive solar heating and cooling. The things actually work better if you build a slightly larger place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_energy_building

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SolarHomes/plansps.htm
http://www.netzeroenergyhome.ca/
http://www.toolbase.org/Home-Building-Topics/zero-energy-homes/tucson-zeh

Hey that search took me all of an hour. Magazines with most of this material are available at your local Barnes and Noble.

EnergyStar is a lame trademark designed to greenwash builders who could do better.

[mzmolly]

43. So you think he needs to be one of the first in the world to own a zero energy home?

The eye sore above is a zero energy home in Germany, one of few. Al Gore doesn't live in a zero energy home and neither do any of the candidates on either side of the political spectrum, so why do you DEMAND it from John Edwards? Further, the Edwards are using Solar power in their home, so your solar link is for???

Al Gore suggests buying carbon credits to offset one's carbon footprint. It it's good enough for Al, it's good enough for me. Here is a link if you are interested:

By filling in the sections below, you can calculate the CO2 emissions created from the day to day running of your home, and then 'neutralise' them through climate friendly projects which save exactly the same amount of carbon dioxide.

On the next page, you can choose the projects, and personalise the CarbonNeutral homes pack.

http://www.carbonneutral.com/cncalculators/householdcalculatorshop.asp

Again, who do you support for President? I'd like to compare the standards you have for Edwards to your candidate. If you don't answer that question, don't get back to me.

[KoKo]

25. But aren't those Theresa's Heinz Fortune Homes and not Kerry's.

Wasn't he living in a batchelor pad apartment until he married her. I wonder what he would do if he had his own money to build what he wants. :shrug:

[wisteria]

26. He has his own money. n/t

[TayTay]

35. And a Pre-Nup

Those homes belong to the Heinz Family. The Senator owns 1/2 interest in the house in Boston. The rest will belong to Teresa And John Heinz's sons, should anything happen to THK.

Then again, the man with the one of the highest ratings on the environment from every serious conservation group should not have to justify his existence to anyone here.

I guess I can cross Edwards off the list of people I might support in 2008. His supporters are getting more and more obnoxious in advocating for him online. This is just one more instance.

[liam_laddie]

42. TayTay, you're right on...

I cannot believe the immature, even stooopid, comments being made against both Sens. (President) Kerry and John Edwards. Both have more integrity and capability than many potential Dem 2008 candidates. For those who claim Kerry "lost" the '04 election...it was stolen, remember? More and more information is being uncovered about the election corruption and voter suppression by which the right wing maintained the control they gained in 2000 by one vote (thanks, Fat Tony and Clarence the Silent.) I'm damn tired of the circular firing squad!
:kick:

[mzmolly]

47. I'm not an Edwards supporter, and you missed the words (satire alert)

apparently? I was making a point about all of those bitching about Edwards and how ridiculous they sound.

[TayTay]

62. Sorry, usually that implies something funny

I guess we should rewrite that definition.

Satire: Saying something mean about someone and putting in a disclaimer that claims it's funny and then forgetting to put in the funny.

Got it.

[mzmolly]

63. Well, some thought this was "funny." However, satire needn't be humorous.

From WIKI:

Satire is one of the most precise literary terms; it usually has a very definite target, which may be a person or group of people, an idea or attitude, an institution or a social practice. In any case the target is held up to a ridicule that is often quite merciless, and sometimes very angry; ideally in the hope of shaming it into reform. A very common, almost defining feature of satire is a strong vein of irony or sarcasm, in fact satirical writing or drama very often professes to approve values that are the diametric opposite of what the writer actually wishes to promote. Parody, burlesque, exaggeration and double entendre are all devices frequently used in satirical speech and writing – but it is strictly a misuse of the word to describe as "satire" works without an ironic (or sarcastic) undercurrent of mock-approval, and an element at least of anger.

And, from dictionary.com

sat·ire – noun

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.

I supported Kerry vigorously when he won the primaries, and have defended him on numerous occasions. Thankfully, most people "got" what I attempted to say here.

[eddiemunster]

27. So long...

Glad to see that pompous POS stay out of 08.

[Porcupine]

30. It was clamp your jaws shut and vote for enviros.

We didn't expect much improvement over the status quo if he won. Sad that.

[wisteria]

32. Then you thought wrong. He would have made more changes and be

a representative of the people. His wealth frees him from the lure of fast money and he was brought up to serve others and his country. Having money does not make you a bad person. Senator Kerry as our president would have brought an end to this war and things would be much better than they are now. To bad you don't know enough to recognize a great man when you see or read about him.

[wisteria]

31. Personal attack? Wow, the man should be our president and you have nothing

good to say about him? Honestly, the man does not deserve you comments. Why not direct them where they belong on Bush, now there is a real POS.

[blm]

33. Grab a REAL history book and the congressional records and take every Kerry

involved matter out of the last 35 years, and you'll see how this country would likely be in its second decade of New World Order by now.

[ProSense]

34. "Glad to see that pompous POS stay out of 08."

I've seen comments such as this one by fucking freepers in fucking freeperville.

[eddiemunster]

36. Pull your head out of your ass...

You can thank that jerkoff for four more years of Bush.

[ProSense]

38. No thank you,

Not! Idiots R U for undermining one of the most qualified Democrats to lead this country at this time.

edited to add "s"

[ProSense]

40. While you're at it, take you own advice! n/t

[wisteria]

41. Oh, disenfranchisement, the media, the fear card played by the Bush Administration,

lack of real support by the party and McAulliffe screwing with the convention date and not securing the vote process played no part at all. Senator Kerry's campaign wasn't perfect,but it brought him closer in history than any other candidate running against a war time incumbent President to winning. It also rejuvenated the grassroots in our party and brought out more voters than when Clinton and Gore ran.
But, I suppose your candidate could of done better huh?

[mzmolly]

45. NO offense, but the man in your avatar couldn't get 4% of the vote.

So, I'd lay off Mr. Kerry - were it not for Ohio and Florida, we'd not be discussing George Bush right now.

[beachmom]

64. Such comments are not remotely indicative of DU, and are quite

frankly, abhorrent. On dailykos, there is a function called "troll rating". That's all I've got to say.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. given your highly intelligent appraisal

would it be fair to say you didn't vote for him in 06?-- If so, thanks for helping keep us in this bloody mess- if not, what kind of a person are you?

[ProSense]

37. So, Edwards' 30,000 sq. ft. "Energy Star" home represents his experience on the environment?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[mzmolly]

46. Now who said that?

;)

[zulchzulu]

39. I have solar lights in my front yard...neeener neener neener!!!

I save rain water too. Gimme my angel wings, damnit!

[mzmolly]

48. Here you go darlink!

[zulchzulu]

50. Thanks! Also, I do intend to get some solar panels within 2 years

Now...can I have a kiss?

:bounce:

[mzmolly]

51. Why certainly.

:* And, here's a hug for the road :hug: :hi:

[mzmolly]

49. For those who missed the words SATIRE ALERT above, I proudly supported

the Kerry/Edwards ticket in 2004. Both are good men, IMHO. My point was that many who voted for Kerry without qualms appear to have a rigid standard for John Edwards.

[beachmom]

66. Unfortunately, it's not all that funny. Frankly, this is all silly talk, and

it defies history -- FDR helped the poor more than any other president and he was very rich and very spoiled by his doting mother. I don't think the size of one's house measures the size of a man's heart one way or the other. And as was mentioned upthread, Kerry does not own 4 of the 5 houses, owning only 1/2 of the Boston home. I think the only difference between Kerry and Edwards is that Kerry didn't try to pretend he was anything but who he was, while Edwards and particularly Elizabeth Edwards are trying to act like they're middle class eating at Wendy's and shopping at Target, when in fact, they're millionaires and Mrs. Edwards has a nanny. There's nothing wrong with being rich, but you should be forthright about it, instead of hiding it, when Drudge or anyone else can easily get the evidence of your wealth.

As to the environment, well, Kerry has about as good a voting record on the environment as you're going to get, and he and Teresa have a book coming out soon on it. Anyone who speaks out and VOTES green should be praised.

[1932]

52. And Theresa promised to REMOVE every light-bulb from every home and

replace them with the light emanating from her imagination.

[ProSense]

53. It's Teresa n/t

[sendero]

54. John Kerry..

.... has never made "two Americas" or the environment a centerpiece of his campaign.

Should be a "non-sequitur alert"

[mzmolly]

56. Edwards has not made the environment a centerpiece of his campaign,

nor has he asserted he has not experienced BOTH Americas. However, as I said - my intent is not to trash the good Senator, it's to put the Edwards "thing" in perspective.

[Bluerthanblue]

59. well you've

done a poor job at both, in my opinion- (and I realize this isn't all that important)

Why can't you let the Edwards crap die? Why do you have to pick on someone who isn't screwing you over? Is it boredom? or the desire for attention?

Sorry- but I'm sick to death at Edwards apologists, Kerry bashers and the whole idea of political correctness coming from the fingertips of supposedly intelligent, enlightened people.

Edwards isn't 'perfect'. His house sucks, and doesn't mirror his 'humble' demeanor- but that isn't what would make him a good leader- nor is it something that would make him a bad leader.

Kerry bowed out- so leave the man be- hasn't he been shat on enough already????

[mzmolly]

61. "I realize this isn't all that important"

That is correct.

Why can't you let the Edwards crap die?

I've got ONE thread on "this Edwards crap" as opposed to several that were written to slam him. Additionally, if you want it to "die" hide the thread.

Why do you have to pick on someone who isn't screwing you over?

Pick on? I am not picking on anyone other than those who voted for Kerry on his environmental record and are suddenly appalled by Edwards SINGLE house. I supported the Kerry/Edwards ticket and have come to adore John Kerry.

Is it boredom? or the desire for attention?

Ahh no, it's a discussion board.

Sorry- but I'm sick to death at Edwards apologists, Kerry bashers and the whole idea of political correctness coming from the fingertips of supposedly intelligent, enlightened people.

Sorry, allow me to cry for you :cry: :eyes: I'm not bashing Kerry at all. I'm pointing out a double standard on the part of "supposedly intelligent, enlightened people."

Edwards isn't 'perfect'.

You don't say?

His house sucks, and doesn't mirror his 'humble' demeanor- but that isn't what would make him a good leader- nor is it something that would make him a bad leader.

Not sure what you're attempting to say here ?

Kerry bowed out- so leave the man be- hasn't he been shat on enough already????

I expect Kerry would "get it" and might even find the humor in my point as he IS actually intelligent and enlightened. If you don't like my thread, don't kick it. As you can see, it's two days old.

[Bluerthanblue]

65. you are right-

I should have just passed this by-
It was my choice to step into this, and I was wrong to keep the post current by my replying.

I realize this will knock it back up again, and I won't keep replying, I just wanted you to know you did pull me up short, and help me to realize my own part in this.

For that, I thank you-

peace,
blu