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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:00 PM
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"The Man who saved Bill Clinton's Ass" - The Anniversary, 2/12/99
My First Diary on Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/11/172649/129

..and I did it without slammin'other Dem Candidates :toast:

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:09 PM
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1. Thanks for that memory! You don't mind if I post it?
The Man Who Saved Bill Clinton's Ass, An Anniversary 2/12/99
by catchawave

Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 03:29:17 PM PST

On the 8th anniversary of what I would call a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" moment on Capitol Hill, one voice stood out at the end of President Bill Clinton's worse nightmare while in office, his impeachment trial, the final statement by Senator John Edwards (D-NC) was released into Congressional Record on February 12, 1999.

Edwards' skill as a trial attorney was evident during the 1999 Senate impeachment trial of President Clinton, and Edwards was also responsible for the deposition of witnesses Monica Lewinsky and Vernon Jordan, which played a critical role in the Senate proceedings that eventually ended in the President's acquittal.

Senator Edwards had prepared remarks, but chose not to use them, enjoy the ride, courtesy of http://edition.cnn.com/... and public record :

catchawave's diary :: ::
Sen. John Edwards (D-North Carolina): I add my praise, Mr. Chief Justice, for the work you have done, but I would add one other thing. The last time I saw you before this impeachment trial you were leading a sing-along at the Fourth Circuit Judicial Conference. I thought it might be a good idea for this group.
The CHIEF JUSTICE. A healing device.

(Laughter.)

Mr. EDWARDS. Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice. I have prepared remarks. But I am not going to use them. I made that decision about 20 minutes ago.

I have been sitting, listening to my fellow Senators speak, and I want to speak to you from the heart. I want to speak to you about a struggle, because I have been through a struggle. It is a real struggle. And I suspect that there are an awful lot of you who have been through the same struggle--both before we voted on the motion to dismiss and, for me, since we voted on the motion to dismiss.

For me, the law is a sacred thing. And that is part of my life. I have seen what the law can do. It is a powerful, powerful thing. It can do extraordinary things for ordinary people. And I believe we have been given a sacred responsibility. I will tell you what that sacred responsibility means to me personally. It means that when I walked in here the first day of this impeachment trial I was 100 percent completely open to voting to remove this President.

And I have to tell you all something, my friends on this side of the aisle, that wasn't a hard thing for me to do. I think this President has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter. It is breathtaking to me the level to which that disrespect has risen.

So I said to myself, what is the right and fair thing to do? And this is what I have done. I have looked--many times until 3 a.m. in the morning--at the evidence in this case. Because I think that is the way we need to make this decision.

The perjury charge, I believe, is just not there. The evidence is not there to support it. I know many of you believe it is there. I respect your view on that. I don't believe it is there. The obstruction charge is a totally different matter. And this is the way I have thought about the obstruction charge.

I view, in my mind's eye, the scales of justice. And on one side, where the prosecution makes an allegation, I put their evidence. On the other side I put the defense evidence. And I do believe that for a charge this serious that the proper standard is beyond a reasonable doubt.

So after that evidence is put on both sides of the scale of justice, what happens? I want to just very briefly go through what I think are the four main charges for obstruction.

First, the false affidavit. The prosecution side: There is, in my judgment, clearly a false affidavit. The President had a conversation with Monica Lewinsky about filing an affidavit where he said to her, 'You can file an affidavit; that might be a way for you to avoid testifying.' That is on the prosecution side.

I want to make a really important point for me personally here. I think there is an enormous difference between what has been proven and what we suspect, because I have to tell you all, I suspect a lot that has not been proven.

What is on the defense side? On the defense side: what has been proven in this case is that President Clinton never saw the affidavit, never had a discussion with anyone about the contents of that affidavit. He didn't know what was in it. He never told, according to her, Monica Lewinsky or anyone what should be in the affidavit.

So that is the evidence on the scales of justice: One for the prosecution; that evidence for the defense. For me it is a very clear thing. The scales tilt in favor of the defense, and they certainly don't tilt strongly enough to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

The second charge--and the one that bothers me the most--coaching Betty Currie. The evidence on the side of the prosecution: President Clinton has a conversation with Betty Currie just after he has been questioned in his deposition where he makes very declarative statements to her--it happens twice--very declarative statements to her about what he remembers, many of which we now know to be false. And his explanation for that conversation lacks credibility, to say the least, that he was trying to refresh his memory. I doubt if anybody buys that. That is on one side, that is on the prosecution side.

What is on the other side? On the other side we have Betty Currie saying it had no influence on her. But that is not the most troublesome thing for me. The troublesome thing is this: For that conversation to be obstruction of justice, it must have been proven that it was President Clinton's intent to affect her sworn testimony.

Now, what are the other possibilities? We have a man who has just been confronted with this problem, who is political by nature. And do we really believe that the first thing he thought about is, 'I'm going to go protect myself legally'? I suspect the first thing he thought about is 'I'm going to protect myself politically.' He was worried about his family finding out. He was worried about the rest of the staff finding out. He was worried about the press finding out. Do I know which of these things are true? Absolutely not. I don't know which of them are true. Doesn't that answer the question? If we don't know which of those things are true, have they been proven? If we don't know what was in his head at that moment, how can we find that the prosecution has proven intent beyond a reasonable doubt?

The third charge, the job search. On the prosecution side of the scales of justice, we have an intensified effort to find a job for Monica Lewinsky. I think that has been proven. I think that has been proven clearly. On the other side, we have testimony from Monica Lewinsky that she was never promised a job for her silence. We have evidence that the job search, although not as intense, was going on before anyone knew she would be a witness. We have Vernon Jordan testifying under oath--I sat there and watched it and looked him in the eye--that there was never a quid pro quo, that the affidavit was over here and the job search was over here.

The reality is, when you put all that evidence on the scale--prosecution evidence on one side, defense evidence on the other--at worst the scale stays even. And the prosecution has got to prove this case in order to remove the President of the United States beyond a reasonable doubt. They just have not proven it no matter what we suspect. No matter what we suspect. So that is the false affidavit which we have talked about, coaching Betty Currie, the job search.

Now to the gifts. Let's see what the proof is. What is the proof--not the suspicion. On the prosecution side, we know that the President's secretary went to Monica Lewinsky's house, got the gifts, took them home and hid them under her bed. I have to tell you, on its face, that is awful suspicious, and it is strong, heavy evidence. The problem is, there is evidence on the other side. That evidence doesn't stand alone.

First, we have the testimony of Betty Currie that Monica Lewinsky called her. Second, we have the fact that President Clinton gave her other gifts on that Sunday, which makes no sense to me. I heard the House managers try to explain it away. I have been a lawyer for 20 years, and I have been in that place of trying to explain away something that makes no sense. It doesn't make sense. Monica Lewinsky, herself, testified that she brought up the issue of gifts--not President Clinton--and that the most President Clinton ever said was something to the effect of 'I'm not sure. Let me think about that.'

Now when that evidence goes on the defense side and the only evidence on the prosecution side is the fact that those gifts are sitting under the bed of Betty Currie, what happens to the scale? At best, the scale stays even. In my judgment, it actually tilts for the defense. There is no way it rises to the level of 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

Every trial I have ever been in has had one moment, one quintessential moment when the entirety of the trial was described, and in this case we have such a moment. There was a question that had my name on it. The reality is, Senator Kohl wrote it--I tagged on--but it was a great question. The question was, Is this a matter about which reasonable people can differ? I will never forget Manager Lindsey Graham coming to this microphone and his answer was 'Absolutely.' Now if the prosecution concedes that reasonable people can differ about this, how can we not have reasonable doubt?

These things all lead me to the conclusion that however reprehensible the President's conduct is, I have to vote to acquit on both articles of impeachment.

I have one last thing I want to say to you all, and it is actually most important. If you don't remember anything else I said, and you weren't listening to anything else I have said, please listen to what I am about to say because it is so important to me.

I have learned so much during the 30 days that I have been here. I have had a mentor in Senator Byrd, who has probably been a mentor to many others before me. I have formed friendships with people on both sides. Senators Leahy and Dodd, who I worked with on these depositions--wonderful, wonderful Senators. I have learned what leadership is about from these two men sitting right here--Senators Lott and Daschle. I have loved working with Senators DeWine and Thompson. And Senator Specter and I worked together on a deposition. He showed me great deference and respect. I have no idea why, but he did; and I appreciate it. I have deep respect and admiration for my senior Senator from North Carolina, who has been extraordinarily kind and gracious to me since I arrived here.

Let me tell you what I will be thinking about when my name is called and I cast my vote, hopefully tomorrow. I will be thinking about juries all over this country who are sitting in deliberation in rooms that are not nearly as grand as this but who are struggling, just as you all have and I have, to do the right thing. I have to say, I have a boundless faith in the American people sitting on those juries. They want to do what is right. They want to do what is right in the worst kind of way.

An extraordinary thing has happened to me in the last 30 days. I have watched you struggle, every one of you. I have watched you come to this podium. I have listened to what you have had to say. I talked to you informally; I watched you suffer. I believe in my heart that every single one of you wants to do the right thing. The result of that for me is a gift. And that gift is that I now have a boundless faith in you.

Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:39 PM
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5. Thanks! It's public record, shouldn't be
a problem with the mods?

"Doing the right thing"...still The Edwards after 8 years!
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:16 PM
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2. I just left you a comment
Great first diary!
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:50 PM
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7. Thanks !
Oh, I need to catch up with you about YK7...I'm going, got registered and the hotel room :toast:

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:12 PM
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13. I sent you a PM
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:16 PM
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3. Edwards speech was an excellent speech and an excellent choice for the opening of your KOS Diary
But "The Man who saved Bill Clinton's Ass"?

I don't think there was ever a danger Bill would get removed from office, although there was a chance that the GOP might have gotten a 51 vote majority for conviction - failing because they were needing 67 votes.

I kind of like being able to say the stupid GOP couldn't even get a majority to vote in favor of conviction.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:45 PM
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6. My mistake...it was an Aussie MSM "ass saver"
I quoted from, but the context was American.

Most international opinion references to the Edwards Impeachment Statement have been removed from the tubes :shrug:

Still the Anniversary of the remarks and the votes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:24 PM
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4. Congratulations for the excellent way you put this all together.
I forgot about this speech by Edwards. I think it is remarkable logic and he presented it eloquently. I don't think anyone could challenge the way he balanced it for himself. What a speaker. How I value logic. I am very, very happy that I got to read this post - that you prepared this.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:22 PM
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9. Thank you so much....
It was a "labor of love" and just before Valentine's Day, my gift to DUers and Kossacks :loveya: and thanks again for the kind words :D
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:02 PM
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8. What Edwards SHOULD have said is, "This whole trial is an outrage!"
Too many Democrats were too quick to condemn Clinton for his dalliances with Monica. IMHO, they should have kept their big mouths shut. A good reply to the hyenas of the press is 'Jusge not, lest ye be not judged', not "I am terribly disappointed in the moral failings of this man."


It is the consequences of their own stupid behavior that bring GOP governments down -- not a dearth of loyalty.

With Democrats, not so much.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:25 PM
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10. He did say that...read carefully :)
...he threw his prepared remarks away.
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dk2 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 09:55 PM
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11. Edwards saved Bill
and Hillary is getting the lift for it.

Edwards all the way to the Whitehouse 2008.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:07 PM
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12. Saved Madam Clinton too
You said it nicer, dk2, but I have my doubts Mrs. Clinton would have a career if her husband were convicted in the Senate as well as being impeached in the House.

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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:16 PM
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14. those charges were going nowhere

the public was against that BS impeachment, and starr was a total
sex obsessed creep.

Edwards deserves some credit for the speech, I suppose, but that
whole episode was a national farce.

and everyone with a brain knew it.

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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:18 PM
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15. And why was the vote so close
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 10:20 PM by benny05
and why did the House impeach Bill? I'm not trying to be like a poster from Freeperville, but I do think John Edwards helped Bill along, which assisted Mrs. Clinton a lot, considering she was not from New York, and had other luck running her way.

I don't think HRC will have as much luck as she may perceive as she did in NY. Her opponents were weak, and not because of her.

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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:53 AM
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16. it wasn't close.
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 01:53 AM by hijinx87
removal from office requires a two-thirds majority in the senate.

the rethugs didn't even have a simple on either article of impeachment,
although they split 50-50 on obstruction.

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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:36 AM
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17. You just said it better than I did
Obstruction charges about 50-50.

Mind you, I thought the whole thing compared to Chimpy and Co, and especially Grumpy who outed a CIA operative, was a bit lame. Clinton thought he could outsmart the jury. But he should have told the truth in the first place instead of wasting political capital over his indiscretions.

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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:05 AM
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18. but 50-50 isn't close.

it isn't even a majority. the difference between 50 votes (which
is the best the sex fiends could manage) and 66 votes is light years
in the senate.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:37 AM
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19. Larry Flynt did the most to help stop the attempted coup against Clinton
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 11:38 AM by Jacobin
By outting 40 or 50 House Republicans who he documented had mistresses, including Bill Livingston who would have presided over the House impeachment effort who had THREE mistresses and who resigned two days after the revelation.

Larry spent a lot of time and money digging up the dirt on the hypocrites who would have effectuated a coup d'etat for the same behavior they were engaged in.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:22 PM
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27. I agree, Larry Flynt played a big role in turning away the GOP onslaught. Both he and John
Edwards deserve plenty of credit.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:55 PM
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20. If Bubba had left office in February 1999
we would now be entering the 9th year of Al Gore's Presidency. B-)

Personally, I think the world would be a lot better off.

Should I blame John Edwards for preventing this outcome? :eyes:

In Gore We Trust :)
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com - Sign the petition!


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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:31 PM
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21. But he's not running
and won't. Next.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:43 PM
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22. Good work Catchawave.
:thumbsup:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:56 PM
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23. Congratulations! A nice little reminder, too.
And I'm certain most of us missed it the first time around. I myself was too busy cringing.

Good work!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:47 PM
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24. I had never read this text before.
It was very interesting and educational. Thanks for putting this together. :)
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DonkeyInChinaShop Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:55 PM
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25. Daily Kos is a great website, much less hit and run than DU
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 08:01 PM
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26. The DKos is okay but no way they are greater than DU, are you loco?
Anyway, I had never seen that speech by Edwards. That was very good. But I don't think that is what saved Clinton's ass per se. Tthere was no way he would have been convicted in the Senate with or without that Edwards speech.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:04 AM
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28. The Senate voted 50-50 on the obstruction charge
I guess they would have needed 60 votes to convict Clinton (would have to check the rules).

But if 51 Senators had voted against Clinton he would have come under pressure to resign.

In that scenario - we would now be entering the 9th year of Al Gore's Presidency.

In Gore We Trust :)
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com - Sign the petition!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 10:07 AM
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29. 66 senators, I believe. You need a two-thirds majority to remove from office n/t
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