TPM: Hillary Campaign Blasts Obama Over Maureen Dowd Column

[flpoljunkie]

Very interesting. Geffen helped to organize the fundraiser for Obama last night in Hollywood-- raised over $1.3 million.

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/feb/21/hillary_campaign_blasts_obama_over_column

Hillary Campaign Blasts Obama Over Maureen Dowd Column

By Greg Sargent

The Hillary Clinton campaign is blasting Barack Obama over a column by Maureen Dowd today in which top Obama fundraiser David Geffen is critical of the Clintons. Camp Hillary just put out the following statement from Clinton spokesperson Howard Wolfson:

"While Senator Obama was denouncing slash and burn politics yesterday, his campaign's finance chair was viciously and personally attacking Senator Clinton and her husband.

"If Senator Obama is indeed sincere about his repeated claims to change the tone of our politics, he should immediately denounce these remarks, remove Mr. Geffen from his campaign and return his money.

"While Democrats should engage in a vigorous debate on the issues, there is no place in our party or our politics for the kind of personal insults made by Senator Obama's principal fundraiser."

Note that the Clinton campaign is demanding that Obama sever his ties with Geffen and return his money. More soon.

[mzteris]

1. well dam nit - what did

Geffen SAY?

[flpoljunkie]

28. TPM: More Geffen quotes from Maureen Dowd column

More Geffen quotes from Dowd's column:

“Not since the Vietnam War has there been this level of disappointment in the behavior of America throughout the world, and I don’t think that another incredibly polarizing figure, no matter how smart she is and no matter how ambitious she is — and God knows, is there anybody more ambitious than Hillary Clinton? — can bring the country together.

“Obama is inspirational, and he’s not from the Bush royal family or the Clinton royal family. Americans are dying every day in Iraq. And I’m tired of hearing James Carville on television.”...

“It’s not a very big thing to say, ‘I made a mistake’ on the war, and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can’t,” Mr. Geffen says. “She’s so advised by so many smart advisers who are covering every base. I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms.”...

Did Mr. Spielberg get in trouble with the Clintons for helping Senator Obama? “Yes,” Mr. Geffen replies, slyly. Can Obamba stand up to Clinton Inc.? “I hope so,” he says, “because that machine is going to be very unpleasant and unattractive and effective.”

Once, David Geffen and Bill Clinton were tight as ticks. Mr. Geffen helped raise some $18 million for Bill and slept in the Lincoln Bedroom twice. Bill chilled at Chateau Geffen. Now, the Dreamworks co-chairman calls the former president “a reckless guy” who “gave his enemies a lot of ammunition to hurt him and to distract the country.”

“Marc Rich getting pardoned? An oil-profiteer expatriate who left the country rather than pay taxes or face justice?” Mr. Geffen says. “Yet another time when the Clintons were unwilling to stand for the things that they genuinely believe in. Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/feb/21/hillary_campaign_blasts_obama_over_column

[John Q. Citizen]

80. Wow, those are some very telling quotes. By a guy who has intimate personal knowledge.

I hope more Democrats pay attention to what those who have been closely involved with Hillary Clinton have to say.

And I hope Democrats will ponder if they want to wait for the end of a Hillary second term (as she said today) for tepid watered down psuedo healthcare reform.

[Why Syzygy]

2. Isn't that special.

Queen Hillary objects to free speech. Take note. Watch her 'diplomatic' skills in action during the election. Extrapolate. Will she tell the like of Iran, et al to take back those mean things they said and give all their money back to people who freely gave it? Will she stomp her foot?

Maybe there is a message there for her. I haven't even seen the remarks she is demanding retracted.
She will gain attention, I suppose.

[John Q. Citizen]

4. Here's the link to the remarks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/02/20/dreamworks-geffen-slams-_n_41732.html

[calimary]

65. Excellent piece about why Al Gore SHOULD run.

I can't think of a single argument against it. It's MY fondest wish, also. Granted, I can't see why ANYBODY would want to follow bush and the absolute epic clusterfucked pigsty he's leaving as his "legacy." Whoever it'll be will probably be little more than a political sanitation engineer - cleaning up a staggeringly monstrous mess. Even so, I'd STILL love to see Al Gore get in there, bring integrity back to the Oval Office, and use the full force of that world-class bully-pulpit (which he would rehabilitate in the eyes of everyone else on the planet, just by his being there) to get something done on global warming and energy re-direction. A ship this large is naturally almost impossible to turn quickly, but there's NO ONE on earth I'd rather see with his hand on the captain's wheel.

[tularetom]

3. Dowd's column was a bit unfair but Hillary had better start attacking

bush with the same vigor she applies to Obama, she'll gain some respect from a lot of Dems that way. It does her no good to try to "triangulate", repubs and a lot of independents hate her guts and will never vote for her anyway. Her only hope to actually get elected is to retain the Dem vote and she's doing a real shitty job of appealing to Dems.

[BeyondGeography]

5. oh, waaaaaaaaaaaah

A little thin-skinned, are we? Everything Geffen said was spot-on, especially this:

"Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

Hopefully, Barack doesn't cave on this one. No apologies required here.

[Felinity]

21. "Everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.”

Is Obama in politics? He's a LIAR!

Is Geffen in politics? He is now! LIAR!

Universal statements can be very treacherous.

Keep bashing Hillary--I am so looking forward to President McCain.

:sarcasm:

[enough already]

72. Spare me the "support Hillary or we get the Puke behind Door #1" load of wank

The fucking choice is NOT Hillary or a puke. I won't have this war monger shoved down my throat.

[Felinity]

75. I am not asking you to support Hillary

I am asking you to focus on current issues and stop being a tool of the MSM/RNC. They want you to take your eyes off the ball, while promoting discord among Democrats. I am suggesting that you, and the other Hillary haters, keep your venom to yourself, at least until we're closer to the primaries. And I wish Hillary & Obama would both shut the fuck up and attend to the current crisis in what is left of our nation.

FYI I am not a big Hillary fan. She is not my #1 choice, she is not my #2 choice, and not my #3 choice. Neither, by the way, is Obama. That's all the further I want to think about it for now.

We should be saying to these candidates, "Here's the contest. Which one of you can make the best progress to bring the Senate Republicans into the mix in Congress and start righting the wrongs of the Bush administration. Whoever does the best job gets to run for President." Their focus on the Presidential election is a dereliction of duty: they are just like the * administration beating the war drum on Iran instead of focusing all our efforts on diplomatic solutions. Hillary & Barack are beating the Primary Drum instead of doing the hard work to bring the Senate back to a functioning body, through discourse, not campaign rhetoric.

If the Senate doesn't come around, I believe we are running a great risk of being under martial law, with no 2008 election. It's come down to endgame in America--this is the SHOW, baby. IMHO. Let's get serious.

[skipos]

6. I don't get it. Why should Obama apologize for something Geffen said

and Dowd printed?

[The Magistrate]

8. It Is The Political Equivalent Of A Brush-Back Pitch, Sir

No one takes it seriously as anything but a signal that the fight is on, and not an inch will be conceeded by the leading campaign.

[flpoljunkie]

11. Absolutely, and it will be interesting to see how long Hillary remains in the lead

[Ethelk2044]

13. Obama Apologize

He should not apologize.  Also, he should not fire the person.
 He has no control over what another person says.  There is
free speech.   However, he can counsel the person for the next
time.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. Geffen does not work for Obama - he's just working, for Obama.

Big hollywood fund money man who made the unforgivable mistake of supporting Obama instead of Clinton, and raising a shitload of money for him.

It's because of crap like this that I cannot support Clinton in the primaries (though, of course, is she SHOULD get the nomination she'll have my complete support).

[Nedsdag]

Aw, poor Hillary.

The truth hurts, huh?

[enough already]

73. Because Her Highness says so n/t

[ripple]

7. "And I'm tired of hearing James Carville on television."

:rofl:

Seriously, though. Why in the hell would Obama give Geffen his money back and sever his ties with him? Am I missing something here, other than the audacity of Hillary? :shrug:

[LeFleur1]

12. Here's Why

Obama has been speaking around the country. In his speeches he has said he wants to change the way campaigns are run. He has set a high standard for himself. Then Geffen, a star on his team, says mean, petty, even stupid and unnecessary things.
Hillary says if Obama really practices what he preaches he would get rid of the skank, and tell him to take his money with him.
We all know he won't because money is the main thing in these campaigns, no matter what any of them say. As long as they get the money they will put up with any mouthy jerk who can fork it over.
It might be best not to paint yourself as a holier than thou candidate if you have such a star on your team.
In other words, is Obama a hypocrite or is he what he says he is?
That's what I think Hillary was saying.

[zulchzulu]

31. What is mind boggling is that Geffen has the audacity to back somebody else!

How dare Geffen have an opinion or have his money go toward his preferred candidate!

Obama knows better than accept money from someone who supports him. He should know by now that he doesn't deserve the money...it's...it's...it's...just not fair!

[cali]

51. Hmm. Hypocricy. One of Hillary's important backers

made a comment that Obama would be bad for the party as nominee because he's black. That the person who made this comment is also black doesn't make a whit's difference in my book. Should Hillary Clinton reject his endorsement?

[blm]

53. She has no room to talk - she, herself, joined Bush and McCain in scolding

Kerry for dropping a focking PRONOUN in his joke, knowing FULL WELL that Kerry would never in a million years insult the troops. And don't kid yourself, she WAS running when she joined Bush and McCain to scold Kerry.

Plus, her campaign people are going around the country trashing both Gore and Kerry and she doesn't seem to mind that.

And where was Wolfson's rapid response and cutting attacks when Hillary planted him with the Lamont campaign?

Guess he was really there to protect Lieberman, wasn't he?

[Ethelk2044]

15. Nope

NO you are not missing anything.  Also, if someone from her
campaign did something like this you know she would not give
the money back.

[enough already]

74. You got it spot on

Here's a counter offer that Obama can make: "I'll give back the Geffen money if you give back every nickel you've taken from the corrupt corporate whores who have destroyed this country." I think I know her response.

[mntleo2]

9. Soooo, Is Clinton Going To Sever Her Ties With ....

...Rupert Murdock and all his FAUX minions? Ohhhhh, yeah she is SO virtuous when it comes to taking money and affiliating herself with people who are not part of progressive philosophies! How about the time she went around the country with LIEberman touting hiow wonderful Welfare DEformed is, by forcing low income moms into dead end jobs and undermining unions in NY city by hiring these moms to work for welfare grants (around 450.00 a month for a full time job which is around $2.82 an hour) and then laying off well paid city workers who were union members with livable wages and benefits?

Just askin' ....

Cat In Seattle

[Ethelk2044]

16. Fox

You think!   They take us for STUPID  Please give me a break.

[wyldwolf]

10. oh, boy! I can hear it all now

All manner of vitriol is going to be passed back and forth. If Obama wins, people will say free speech wins. If Hillary wins, the meme will be "The Clintons sabotaged Obama's campaign."

[mnhtnbb]

26. They used to call this mudslinging. Is there a new term?

[wyldwolf]

27. I think the term is very applicable

[zulchzulu]

14. OK, I read the column and it just illustrates a split in Hollywood

If the Senator Clinton Camp has any proof that Senator Obama somehow finangled Geffen to give him money, perhaps they have something to show. Geffen and Bill Clinton had a falling out in 2000 (as mentioned in the column), so maybe that might be one reason why Geffen is going for another candidate.

The recent statement from Senator Clinton about how she's truly for fighting terrorism over certain other candidates and now this pouting that some people like Geffen want (God forbid!) someone else shows what many suspect is character that is, shall we say, unbecoming...

If Senator Clinton wants to make me feel better about her candidacy, perhaps she can ditch that turncoat James Carville...but I doubt that's going to happen...

Swing and a miss, Team Clinton....

[Buzz Clik]

17. More manufactured in-fighting.

No way in hell the Clinton would hammer Obama for something a supporter said. The title of this thread is pure bullshit.

[Strawman]

18. I hate sham outrage about the "tone"

If you wanna talk about "issues," why are you whining about tone instead of just talking about the issues?

[oasis]

19. Geffen is irresponsibly and recklessly putting out false information. Obama

should rein him in before he gets out of hand and puts a taint on what has been a remarkably fantastic campaign.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. What false information is that?

Really. Just what did Geffen say that was factually incorrect?

[oasis]

34. False impressions of Bill and Hillary.

"Clinton royal family". And this comment "Is there anyone more ambitous than Hillary?".

[Buzz Clik]

37. It's an opinion coupled with hyperbole.

This shit is just starting. I suggest you get thicker skin or you'll be sobbing yourself to sleep in a couple of months.

[oasis]

42. I could care less what an opportunistic Obama ass kisser like Geffen says.

I'm more interested on how Obama handles the snakes and grifters that would walk over their grandmothers to get into his inner circle.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Impressions are not information

and opinion is not fact.

All he did was express his opinion of them. An opinion shared by millions.

[oasis]

41. "Opinion shared by millions". Is that an opinion or a fact?(eom)

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. LOL.

Just my opinion of their opinions. But there are, I'm sure, a half-dozen or so here that would say the same thing, which could be extrapolated out to millions in the general populace.

ON EDIT: ref post, below.

[Nedsdag]

46. But it's the truth.

The Clintons think they're entitled to the White House. This is not a monarchy. I think it's still a democracy.

Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Adams, and Franklin are turning over in their graves over the state of "democracy" in this country.

[Ethelk2044]

23. Obama

Obama should not do anything.  The problem is he is not
supporting Clinton now.  They had no problems with him when he
supported them.  Now all of a sudden he is supporting someone
else they have issues.   Please give me a break.  They even
allowed him to stay in the white house. 

[oasis]

30. Geffen characterized Bill Clinton's pardoning of Marc Rich as "reckless".

"Problems" and "issues" arise from such characterizations .

[karynnj]

36. I thought it was bad in 2000 when I thought it was payback for campaign

donations. I really was shocked to see Marc Rich's name associated with BCCI. I knew he was charged with speculation in the commodities market - but I didn't understand that. That he was assisting BCCI and that the case needed more investigation to determine the depths of it is bad.

The entire BCCI mess really showed the corruption in the government - and it was both Democrats and Republicans. To me the most damning thing was that when Kerry pursued the issue, he became a pariah in the Senate.

[oasis]

39. "pariah"?

How could he rise from that to become the party's nominee? Was he forced to drop the issue?

[karynnj]

59. Kerry and BCCI

Kerry spent about 5 years early in his Senate career investigating international money laundering by Central American/Soth American drug runners which ended up exposing BCCI whish was also assisting terrorists, including OBL. It also financed A. Q. Khan's development of Pakistan's bomb.

Here is a short article written in 2004 on this: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

In 2004, Kerry spoke at the University of Pennsylvania about how he would address the war on terror. This is the speech (along with a NYT magazine article) which is the basis for people like George Will saying Kerry was right. They were two times where Kerry described following the money and communication trails. He also mentioned that he knew how to do this because they did this with BCCI.

What he politically couldn't do was use things like - having put as the number one thing that still needed investigation when his subcommittee (and with it supoena power) was taken away was to investigate further how the A. Q. Khan network had been able to subvert the nuclear non-proliferation treaties. Also, none of the legislation he wrote to control international money laundering was implemented until it was as part of the Patriot Act. (about the only success in the war on terror came from this.) After his committee was gone, he wrote "New War" to try a different approach to get people to see the danger in the globalization of crime - including non-state terrorism.

Bringing a lot of this up in 2004 would have shown Kerry as prescient, but the question was why this list written in 1992 was ignored by Bush 1 and Clinton.

As to being a pariah, Kerry was called to drop the issue by Carter (Bert Lance was involved) and Jackie Onassis. He stood against the incumbent President and the Senate when he tried every way he could to get this somewhere that it could be stopped.

In New War, Kerry speaks of countries where criminal enterprises end up controlling the government - such as in some narco-states. He does not say that of the US, but it scares me that so few Senators had a problem with a foreign bank with terrorist ties being able to stop investigations into its actions because they coopted enough politically connected people.

How did Kerry go from that position to the nominee? That is an intensely interesting story which shows how the media later succeeded in turning many Kerry strengths around. He won because he and Teresa were able to meet enough people face to face in Iowa and NH and convince them that he was a leader they could trust. Don't believe the media he was charismatic and connects very well with people. He also had the best platform I've seen in my life covering a broad range of issued.

[oasis]

61. Excellent, informative post. Thanks.(eom)

[Buzz Clik]

35. "Obama shoud rein him in"??? How?

Geffen has the right to his opinion, and Obama has no right to tell him to stop.

[oasis]

52. Obama could ask him to tone it down a bit. It does reflect on his campaign.(eom)

[ripple]

79. Perhaps Hillary could have asked

State Senator Ford to "tone it down a bit" in his endorsement remarks. After all, it does reflect on her campaign.

These folks don't work for either campaign and they are entitled to say whatever they choose. There will be many more outrageous comments made throughout the course of the campaign, by supporters of all of the candidates.

I certainly don't want the candidate I support handing money back to donors, simply because the donor made a comment that wasn't vetted. I doubt you do, either.

[ripple]

43. Geffen wasn't speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign

He was stating his own personal opinion.

As the Obama campaign pointed out, Senator Ford did the same in South Carolina. Should Senator Clinton "rein him in", too?

[oasis]

50. I don't recall Sen. Ford launching a personal attack on Sen. Obama.

He merely stated his reasons for not backing him.

[ripple]

54. Stating that Obama would collapse the dem ticket

is pretty over-the-top. And he wasn't talking about policy stances.

I found his remarks to be of a personal nature, but I'll concede that they were probably more about his personal greed than they were about Obama.

[oasis]

58. "Personal greed" perhaps. And Geffen's sudden attachment to Obama

is likely motivated by his desire to obtain presidential pardons for his criminal pals.

[ripple]

60. I somehow doubt Geffen and Peltier have ever been pals.

And Geffen makes a good point. Peltier should have been pardoned years ago.

[Forkboy]

24. If every candidate had to return the money every time some gibbering donar says something wrong

We're gonna be seeing a lot of broke campaigns.

[The Magistrate]

25. A Man Can Dream, Eh, Sir?

It would be an interesting way to force public financing of campaigns, or else compell the rascals to operate on a shoe-string....

[Forkboy]

40. Sadly,a dream is all it will ever be

But that warm fuzzy feeling I get makes it a good dream at least.

[Mass]

29. So, I guess Hillary is firing McAuliffe?\nt

[IndianaGreen]

55. Team Hillary is as credible and genuine as Baghdad Bob

Their capacity for hypocrisy is becoming legendary.

[AtomicKitten]

67. as is your caustic rhetoric

Hillary has never been my choice, not first, second or third, but there is a part of me that will revel in her winning the primary as an 'in your face' to people like you that spend your time here 24/7 denigrating all things Clinton.

[flpoljunkie]

32. TPM Update: Obama Campaign's response

In case you missed it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3125275

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral...

Obama Campaign Blasts Back
By Greg Sargent

Obama communications director Robert Gibbs just released the following statement in response to the Clinton camp's broadside this morning over David Geffen's anti-Clinton comments:

“We aren’t going to get in the middle of a disagreement between the Clintons and someone who was once one of their biggest supporters. It is ironic that the Clintons had no problem with David Geffen when was raising them $18 million and sleeping at their invitation in the Lincoln bedroom. It is also ironic that Senator Clinton lavished praise on Monday and is fully willing to accept today the support of South Carolina State Sen. Robert Ford, who said if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because he's black.’"

[SaveElmer]

44. Good...

Though I am a strong Hillary supporter, top priority is getting a Democrat in the White House...if this is a sign of how Obama will deal with Republicans should he get the nod its all to the good...

[Pirate Smile]

49. SaveElmer, I have just one thing to say to you.

:yourock:

[NoPasaran]

33. Let me get this straight

Hillary Clinton is attcking Barack Obama because of a column Maureen Dowd wrote quoting David Geffen?

One more degree of seperation and it would be Kevin Bacon's fault.

[Pithy Cherub]

45. As a Southern Californian watching the news

about all of this has been hysterical! :rofl:

Hillary has aging Holywood on her side. Obama has youthful hip Hollywood on his side. Geffen, Spielberg and Katzenberg had not one but two parties last night. The first was at the Beverly Hilton and Denzel, J Lo, Affleck and Brad's ex showed up with some TV talk show hostess named Oprah. The second was at the very swanky on th beach estate of Geffen in Malibu if they raised a certain amount. Hillary's camp felt that. On Sunday, Mike Medavoy and his wife were on TV (he is a HUGE Democratic fundraiser and Chairman of Phoenix Films) and refuses to commit to a candidate even though he backed Bill early last time. His wife however, who is a fundraiser in her own right said screw that she is loudly proclaiming she is in it for Obama. Meanwhile, Hillary is taking a beating on the film lots due to her stance on the Iraq War. This is not a forgiving crowd.

Hillary is coming into the country's ATM state today after the debate/forum in Nevada. She has to share the limelight as Mccain is here touring global warming spots in a helicopter with the gropenator. Meanwhile Obama goes into the heart of Los Angeles where a majority of African American's reside and pulls a diverse crowd of thousands!

California is moving up our primary so we will matter and right now Obama is generating serious buzz and a ton of free media. Hillary is hoping her fundraiser is as splashy as Obama's. Meanwhile, everybody is yacking about it and it will continue all the way through to the Oscar parties which are in righteous swing this week and the buzz is Obama. Scary times for camp Hillary and it shows when they attack one of the most prodigious fundraisers out here - dumb move.

[flpoljunkie]

56. Interesting. Also a "dumb move" for Hillary's campaign to force Hollywood to choose sides.

I think Obama wins.

[IndianaGreen]

57. Hillary's record is one of preferring rightwing Jews and shunning progressive ones

This was quite evident when she traveled to Israel at about the same time as Joe Lieberman. Lieberman met with everyone, including Israeli settlers, Israelis opposed to the settlements, Israeli officials, and Palestinian officials. Hillary, unlike Lieberman, shunned Israeli peace activists and Palestinian officials. She only met with Israeli officials and pro-settlements representatives.

Like I said, Hillay prefers rightwing Jews over progressive Jews.

[AtomicKitten]

66. you apparently lack the internal filter

that considers what is about to come out of your mouth (or in this case onto the internet) as to its appropriateness, decency, and decorum -- this is a new low even for you

Like I said, Hillay prefers rightwing Jews over progressive Jews.

[paulk]

47. it's all good...

HRC is showing that she won't tolerate what she considers personal attacks, and she's going right after the top dog instead of the lieutenant. Obama's comeback also shows that he isn't going to take any shit.

I think it's a good sign and an indication of how both candidates will deal with the smears coming from the Republican side if either of them is our nominee.

[SOS]

48. The Geffen/Clinton split

seems to arise from Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich, while refusing to pardon Leonard Peltier.
Geffen doesn't like the Clinton/McAuliffe/Carville crew. He supports Obama.
What's the problem?

[Bombtrack]

63. Fake outrage alert

[IndianaGreen]

64. DU needs an icon for fake outrage

G-d knows we could have used one for the last 6 years.

[Skidmore]

68. So a private citizen cannot have an opinion about

Hillary now? Managed crowds here in Iowa with softball questions helping her avoid discussion of her IWR vote and using her maching to try to silence the voice of a private citizen. Who else do we know that operates like that?

[IndianaGreen]

77. One of the traits that Hillary shares with Bush

They both believe in "First Amendment Zones" and they both go nuclear at the mere hint of criticism.

[flpoljunkie]

69. Geffen responds... very short and to the point!

Not to be left out of the fun, Geffen issued this brief statement today:

"Despite reports to the contrary, I am not the Campaign Finance Chair and have no formal role in the Obama campaign, nor will I, other than to continue to offer my strongest possible personal support for his candidacy. My comments, which were quoted accurately by Maureen Dowd, reflect solely my personal beliefs regarding the Clintons. Thank You."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/02/clinton_o...

[Skidmore]

70. Good. If private citizens are going to be called to tasks

by HRH for their opinions and have disavowals of their opinions demanded by her machine, then we might as well declare * as Emporer and keep what we already have.

I'm really disgusted by this because it smacks of copying the Rove handbook.

[Colobo]

76. Good

Geffen is not working for any campaigns. He can say whatever he wants.

[Vinca]

71. MSM much ado about nothing. Now back to Anna Nicole's body. nt

[election_2004]

78. This tempts me to write a new editorial.....

....opposing HRC's presidential candidacy, as an alumni of my former university (for our alternative student publication).

Maybe if I write an editorial outlining why Senator Clinton as president would further divide the country, Paul Begala will accuse me of treason?

And then I can simply point out what a pompous ass he is. ;)