One YEAR pre-1st primary '08 vote? Remember WEEKS to '04 first Primary Vote!

[FrenchieCat]

Do you really remember?

The 2004 Primaries was a one man Howard Dean race from June of 2003 till September. Then Wes Clark entered the race, and it became a two men race for about 3 weeks. Starting in mid October, once Clark announced that he would not be contesting Iowa, the media stopped reporting the two men race, and went back to reporting a 1 man race through the Christmas season.

The Media story was that the General had faded away, and was not ready for primetime. No polls in where General Clark was first (in December that would have been South Carolina, and all of the southwest states) were reported by the television. The only polls that coincidently started counting were those in Iowa, New Hampshire and the National Polls. As supporters of Wes Clark, some of us saw the media literally talk Wes Clark's poll numbers down. Zogby on two separate articles, one in Mid November and one in Mid December stated that the campaign "had lost steam".

In the last week of December there was a media assault on Howard Dean; his Governor files, footage of Dean's Canadian statement on the Iowa Caucus, etc....

Then, in early January of 2004, Surprise! Wes Clark had risen, not fallen in the national and state polls. In fact, he had gone from weak 2nd place to Howard Dean to strong 2nd place to Howard Dean, who had gotten all of the free publicity.....while many still didn't know a general was running. Eeveryone else were behind those two!

There was a total of 9 candidates.....and right prior to Iowa when the primaries were just getting hot, Dean and Clark were the ones!

Then it happened; Iowa!

and then the Dean scream!

Then the New Hampshire debate occurred, in where Wes Clark was literally called on the carpet for Michael Moore calling Bush a Deserter! Clark's response in the debate was fine; Moore had the right to say what he wished, even if Bush wasn't "technically" a deserter (later it would be revised to AWOL)

And so the one man race that almost became a two men race relunctantly suddenly became a two men race; but now it was Kerry vs. Edwards and the Dean scream! Clark still showing strong just couldn't get any media attention whatsoever!

It is as though the media never wanted it to be a two men race if Clark was going to be the 2nd man. Soon after Iowa, when Clark was no longer running 2nd, then it suddenly became a two man race.....with Clark running 3rd (Clark came in 3rd in New Hampshire).
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/12/wes_clark_did_hella_goodthe_20.html

Most Clark supporters remember how obvious it was; the media was fixing the race! Why do you think I distrust the media as much as I do...and why do you think that what's happening one year before the vote will mean anything a year later?

take it from me; it won't no matter how things look now. :shrug:
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CNN) -- Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean still leads retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, according to a recent national poll, and two-thirds of Democrats say either man would be good for the party as the nominee.

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll interviewed 1,003 adult Americans last weekend, including 410 registered voters who described themselves as Democrats, to gather opinions on the presidential candidates and the issues they face.

Dean was the favorite of 26 percent of Democrats polled, and Clark was 6 percentage points behind.
http://www.alazhari.unv.net/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/12/elec04.poll.prez/index.html
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January 07, 2004
Clark Surging, Dean Falling

In the national polls, Howard Dean is suddenly plummeting, and Wesley Clark is surging, according to Gallup.
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/005908.html

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January 8, 2004, Thursday
Howard Dean, with wary eye on Wesley Clark's rise in national and New Hampshire polls, is watching his words on presidential campaign trail in wake of statements that have unleashed criticism from Democratic opponents; CNN/USA Today poll shows Dean lead over Clark shrinking to four points, elating Clark camp as retired general attends town hall meetings in New Hampshire
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10C17FE35550C7B8CDDA80894DC404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations%2fD%2fDemocratic%20Party

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Wesley Clark closes gap on Democratic frontrunner Dean
Independent, The (London), Jan 9, 2004 by Andrew Buncombe in Washington

WESLEY Clark is closing in on his rival, the Democratic front- runner Howard Dean, according to a number of new polls that suggest support for the former general has soared in recent weeks.

Mr Dean still tops the Democratic field, but the 21 point lead he held over the former general and Nato chief less than a month ago has been narrowed to just four points, according to a Gallup poll conducted for USA Today and CNN.

General Clark is second in Democratic national polls, as well as in the vital New Hampshire primary, held on 27 January, where he trails Mr Dean by 17 points but is ahead of Senator John Kerry by six points.

Behind these numbers is a fluid situation that suggests General Clark has been making headway over other Democratic candidates, as Mr Dean's once seemingly unstoppable rise has been halted by a number of gaffes, ill-considered comments and a concerted barrage of criticism from his opponents.

In a clear sign that the Dean campaign is starting to worry about General Clark's chances in New Hampshire, the first state to vote, staffers have been staking out his campaign appearances and passing out fliers and leaflets accusing him of being "pro-war" and questioning whether he was a "true" Democrat. Jay Carson, Mr Dean's spokesman, said the campaign was simply "pointing out facts that the American people should know about".
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20040109/ai_n9683842

January 14, 2004; 10:46 a.m.
Clark gaining in N.H. Edwards in Iowa

Two polls show that Wesley Clark is moving up in New Hampshire and that Edwards and Kerry are moving in Iowa. This could be an interesting year yet! Watch for Edwards to do better in Iowa and get a bump for N.H. Here is the Boston Herald poll in N.H.

"Surging: Herald poll: Clark soars, Kerry fades in N.H. By David R. Guarino Wednesday, January 14, 2004

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark has surged to within striking range of Howard Dean in the New Hampshire primary, narrowing Dean's once-gaping lead to nine points as the race enters its home stretch, a new Boston Herald poll shows.

Buoyed by strong support among moderates and men who favor his Army resume and tempered views over Dean's ideological bombast, Clark has outpaced Sen. John F. Kerry as Dean's chief New Hampshire hurdle.

``Clark is the one candidate that really seems to have some momentum now,'' said Herald pollster R. Kelly Myers. Relentless attacks on Dean by Kerry and U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman have hurt the former Vermont governor, pulling him down to 29 percent with Clark at 20 percent in the poll.
http://www.political.com/analysis-arc/0517.html
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1/23/2004
MANCHESTER, NH - John Kerry maintained his lead over Howard Dean in the latest New Hampshire tracking poll of likely Democratic voters taken January 21 - 22. The two day rolling average of 400 respondents gave Kerry the lead with 26% followed by Dean at 19% and Wesley Clark with 17%. The survey carries an error rate of +/- 4.90%

"After four days of strong movement from John Kerry, it appears that the race has settled in with Kerry leading," said David Paleologos, political pollster and Director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center. However, the race is not over. Wesley Clark is beginning to close in on the leaders and there are still 26% of likely voters still undecided."
http://www.suffolk.edu/16036.html

MORE P2004 NUMBERS. The latest numbers out of New Hampshire show Dean continuing to lead, but Kerry quickly bouncing back into the contest.

New Hampshire (ARG tracking poll): Dean-28%, Clark-20%, Kerry-19%, Edwards-8%, Lieberman-6%, and Gephardt-3%.

New Mexico holds its primary of February 3, and that raise is also a close contest. The numbers (Albuquerque Journal): Dean-18%, Clark-16%, Kerry and Lieberman tied with 8% each, Gephardt-6%, and Kucinich and Edwards tied with 4% each.

Here are also the latest numbers from California (Field Poll): Dean-25%, Clark-20%, Lieberman-12%, Kerry-7%, Gephardt-6%, and Edwards, Sharpton and Kucinich with 3% apiece.
http://www.politics1.com/blog-0104a.htm

[snowbear]

1. I remember --- AND...........

..that's why -- despite what the media says --- it's not just a "Hillary verses Obama" race already!!!!!


We still have the rest of this winter...

Then ALL spring......

Followed by a long, hot summer....

then all through the autumn....

And last, but not least.. into ANOTHER winter..


..... before the VERY FIRST VOTE IS CAST!!!

[FrenchieCat]

2. That's my Larissa!

:rofl: