"Look to W, Not Hil for 'Sorry'"

[SaveElmer]

Now that Sen. Hillary Clinton is running for President there is this idea she is supposed to apologize because she ran with the crowd in 2002 and voted for George Bush's war in Iraq.
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Clinton, for now at least and maybe forever, does not play along. Instead she stands up in a hall in Dover, N.H., over the weekend and says this:

"I have to say that if the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or who has said that vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from."

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Again: You make up your own mind about the senator from New York, and whatever baggage you think she brings to all this. But she would make a better President than the one we have because anybody would. This isn't her war. It is his.

She should say she will apologize right after Vice President Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, the fired secretary of defense, do the same. They are a couple of hacks out of another time, especially Rumsfeld, who must have imagined this country's original strategy in Iraq on the back of a napkin.

Hillary Clinton should apologize for her war vote when this President apologizes for anything, for all the dead and all the wounded, for all the reasons he gave and is still giving for this war. Now, suddenly, the great bogeyman of the conflict over there is Iran. We hear last week from the President that "a part" of the Iranian government is sending explosives to Iraq, and that those explosives have been responsible for 170 coalition deaths.

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Hillary Clinton can admit she was wrong right after Gen. Colin Powell admits he was wrong to throw in with Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld on this war, and the trumped-up reasons for entering into it, in the first place.

Not Hillary Clinton's war. Theirs. It is theirs. She didn't make the world more dangerous than it already was. They did. You want an apology? They go first.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/499416p-421108c.html

[EndElectoral]

1. Copout. We all know GW will never apologize. To wait until he does is the feeblest of arguments

[MonkeyFunk]

2. I've been saying the same thing here for months...

this is Bush's war, and every minute spent attacking ANY Dem over it is a minute wasted.

[John Q. Citizen]

3. So you don't believe congress declares war? I think there are a lot of

independant voters out there who would disagree with your analysis.


Not that they matter in a general election....

[MonkeyFunk]

4. No need to put words in my mouth

Congress has relinquished its constitutional duty to declare war, and it did so long before Hillary Clinton was in the Senate. That's a separate issue.

The IWR was not a declaration of war. Further, it would have passed without a single Dem vote.

This is Bush's war.

[John Q. Citizen]

5. Not in the Senate. We held the Senate at the time of the vote. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

6. but not with a majority of Democrats

There were 50 Dems.

But you're right, it was a few weeks before the election - I had the date wrong in my mind, and with Jeffords and Chaffee, the resolution would've failed in the Senate.

But since the IWR wasn't a declaration of war, I don't think it would've made any difference. This is Bush's war, and he would've done it no matter what.

But I agree with you vehemently that the congress needs to take back their power to declare war.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. I agree that

bush would have done it after the election.

I also know that there were a number of Dems who were in favor of attacking and occupying Iraq and their vote for the war had nothing to do with the "evidence" but everything to do with their desire to secure the oil and the bases.

I believe Hillary was in this category, as were others.

Some Dems went along for purely political reason, and a few probably actually bought the bogus intel cooked up by the bush administration.

The IWR, while not technically a declaration of war is still the "legal" basis for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, just as the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was the basis of the build-up of in Vietnam.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. O.K., I'm Convinced

I won't vote for W in 2008.

[oasis]

8. Kicked Recommended Bookmarked Signed Sealed and Delivered.

:toast::bounce::woohoo::woohoo: :woohoo::bounce::party:

[Tellurian]

9. yep! K&R

:kick:

[opusprime]

11. Its about conviction, and principle...

HRC is an empty suit, a political weather vane.

Her position is: anything that will get her power.

Sorry, I've had enough of elected officials who only care about their next election, and swooning donations.

I have no idea what Hillary stands for, and if she told me, I probably wouldn't believe her.

[SaveElmer]

12. Is this a DU automated response?

Same blather I see here all the time...

I'm convinced someone has set up a bot to pick out pro-Hillary pieces and automatically respond with this type of drivel...

[Forkboy]

19. Damn him...how dare someone state their opinions?

Fuckin' message boards!

[SaveElmer]

20. How about something original...

With a little substance to it...he could have cut and pasted that from 1000 other posts!!

[opusprime]

21. Attack the messenger, not the message.

How 'right wing' of you.

Probably right out of Hill's campaign strategy.

[huskerlaw]

13. Oh please.

We're not asking for her to apologize for the war, we're asking for her to apologize for HER VOTE.

I don't support Hillary at this point, but I'm not into bashing her either.

But come on. She needs to take responsibility for her vote, not pass it off to anyone else.

Her vote. Her apology. That simple.

[oasis]

18. Not going to do it, wouldn't be prudent. (eom)

[cassiepriam]

14. Dems were set up in lose/lose situations by sociopathic Repugs.

Then Dems all attack each other.
Rove laughs all the way to 2008 with Jeb.

[k_jerome]

15. excellent. nt.

[oasis]

16. kick

[MODemocrat]

17. This is not a cop out, just simply putting in perspective

It's become the easiest thing for people to use for an excuse, who would never vote for Hillary Clinton anyway. Even if she got down on her knees, took 100% blame for the bloody war; then it would be: "She waited too long." It's always going to be something. :boring: