Remember David Jones and his little 527 Osama ad against Dean? View it now.

[madfloridian]

Disclaimer: I do not have a favorite yet in this primary.

As we get into full swing of this primary season, time to remember what we are capable of doing to our own.

Here is the famous Osama ad run against Howard Dean by fellow Democrats in the primary. If you have not seen it, you need to do so. I think we are facing a primary like this again. Remember about 20 Democrats paid for this ad, and it was destructive.

http://38.113.97.196/websites/Health/images/flash/movie2.wmv
(Thanks to MyDD for the link)

Then watch the video from C-Span where one of the leaders of the 527 who ran the ad spoke. It is chilling how casual he is. David Jones short, pithy bit on what he did in Dec 2003 is about 2:57 into the program.This guy wrote, funded and produced the ads. Also, there is a Q&A question for Jones at about 3:20, listen to that as well. He says they were formed to take down Howard Dean. 2:57 and 3:20 into the video.

The link to the C-Span video is in this post from Daily Kos in 2004, referring to the 2003 ad campaign.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/7/195243/429

From some notes I kept from a blog discussion. This guy was ruthless.

David Jones is saying --
"Our main objective was taking down Howard Dean... he was so far ahead...
our concern was that maybe we couldn't fulfill our goal, but could take him
down a notch... Gore, Carter all seemed to think he was the winner, so it
looked like a cake walk for Dean - but we decided Xmas would be too over the
top - but when he was taking a dive even before the scream, it seemed too
dangerous to disclose the donors..."

C-Span was on today live with dem pacs and rep pacs on at separate times
describing what they did in the 2004 race for president. DAVID JONES,
remember that name until the day you die, formed a pac called Americans for
Jobs, Heathcare, and Progressive Values. This pac was formed with 22
undisclosed donors and $600000 dollars for the express purpose of taking Gov
Dean down. David Jones used this phrase many times and bragged about what he
did. He had previously worked for Clinton and Gore campaigns. He bragged
about this. This is the first time a pac was used to take another democrat
down in this manner. His own words. (I don't know exactly what he meant.)
This guy is bragging about the bin laden ads.

MyDD's discussion of this reminded me of the video at C-Span. It is going to get pretty rough this time....many of the same players, consultants, advisors gathering behind the scenes.

[madfloridian]

1. Forgot the link to MyDD.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/2/22/101914/565

[blm]

2. Jerome attacks Obama while letting Hillary off the hook for saying the equivalent

of that ad - that other Democrats running aren't ineterested in fighting terror.

Doesn't Jerome see that Hillary's words are meant to say EXACTLY the same thing that dumb ad said?

Jerome WON'T be fair because HIS guy, Mark Warner, is hoping to stay on Hillary's shortlist.

Jerome is CLOUDING the issue by pointing out players involved in the 2003 ad, without addressing the REAL comparisons of who is repeating the TONE of that ad today - and THAT is Hillary out of her OWN mouth.

[madfloridian]

3. I'm not agreeing with Jerome...just acknowledging where I got the link.

I seldom agree with Jerome. However when he says that was one of the most disgusting ads he ever saw in a primary, he's right.

My point is the same players are all there lurking and working.

It is going to get very ugly.

I am trying to find out which bloggers met with Bill Clinton. I have a picture, but it is not very clear. I know one from Kos did, but I don't see much influence there. I suspect most bloggers won't go that route.

[blm]

5. I don't think so, either. I think the tone Hillary set with her statement about

the other Dems running is a HUGE turnoff in that it was exactly the same tone that stupid ad intended to set against Dean at that time.

so, it just looks like Jerome is attempting to manipulate Dean people to take Hillary's side in this recent volley between Obama and Hillary.

That's the part that is so strange in this - if Jerome was still mad about that ad, he should have fired off a rant against Hillary for saying, out of her own mouth, pretty much the same thing that ad said.

[madfloridian]

9. I do agree with you ....about who's working for Hillary.

that he should have gone after Hillary as well. I know Kos at least was critical of her yesterday or last night.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/22/124639/879

I think all campaigns need to watch who they have working for them. Hillary has some pretty annoying folks working for her.

[flpoljunkie]

27. Has the M$M even reported what Hillary said in SC. I've only read about it in the SC paper

online and in blogs. It is an astounding attack on her fellow nominees. I cannot imagine they do not know she said this on Monday.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/16737228.htm

Clinton voted to authorize military force against Iraq in 2002 and has not declared that vote a “mistake,” as has presidential candidate and former U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.

In response to an audience member’s question about the war — one of eight she fielded — Clinton said America faces a dire threat from terrorism.

“To underscore a point, some people may be running who tell you we don’t face a real threat from terrorism,” she said. “I’m not one of them. We have serious enemies who want to do us serious harm.”

[TayTay]

4. The donor disclosure forms for that PAC are filed

and available online.

http://tinyurl.com/36v3tx

You can go see who funded those ads and see who the names next to the contributions are. (They can then be traced out to see who, besides Mr. Jones or Mr.Gibbs is currently working for someone for '08.)

[madfloridian]

6. Speaking of David Jones....a recent article from The Hill

This appears to be the same David Jones. Not sure, just guessing. Would love to know if he is on anyone's campaign team.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Business/021507_powerhouse.html

"Raffaelli now has formed a partnership with a lobbyist at Capitol Tax Partners LLP and longtime friend, James Gould, and two Democrats with strong ties to Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.). They are Shannon Finley, who just ended her service as Baucus’s political director, and David Jones, who spent five years working as a fundraiser for Baucus and more than 10 years raising money for Rangel.

“It was just a group of friends who all found themselves at a particular point able to get together and form a firm,” Raffaelli said.

Clearly, Democrats winning control of the Senate and House in November provided significant incentive for Raffaelli, Gould, Finley and Jones to team up.

“This wouldn’t have happened without the election,” Jones said."

[Southsideirish]

7. Thanks for reminding me of this. My b/p went up about 2000 pts. when I

think of the dirt done to Howard Dean, a good and decent man who would have been a great president, not by rethugs but by jealous fellow Dems. I will never forget them.

[peacetheonlyway]

8. these links are awesome

I never knew who did the attack ads but I did know Kerry
was behind the smear.

the world will know 2 things about John Kerry
#1 he did not count the votes in Ohio but like a jellyfish, just squirmed out of the whole thing
#2 he took down the only man who could have in 2004 fixed Bush's fiscal madness.

8 years of bush later, we will have Kerry to thank for a country in complete economic ruin.

these are awesome links, thanks much for posting them!

[madfloridian]

10. And we were told to forget about it...it's all politics.

And now its the same politics all over again...and everyone will act surprised and shocked.

And I will tell them....hey..it's politics.

[shance]

11. Who were the Democrats who paid for this ad?

They're not Democrats in my opinion.

But simply opportunists using, exploiting and ultimately deconstructing the Democratic party.

[madfloridian]

12. I have the article...need to look for it.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

13. Article...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0306-04.htm

The original was at Center for Public Integrity. Here is the article by Charles Lewis posted at Common Dreams.

It is called A Political Mugging in Iowa.

And it was...just politics as we were told back in the day.

[emulatorloo]

14. for the record

before we have to rehash this based on a commondreams piece, Kerry campaign denied involvement in this ad, and most of the money for it came from Gephardt supporters from what I understand. (I am not saying Gephardt was involved with it either) There was a HUGE fight of negative stuff between Gep and Dean. I can see Gep supporters getting all agitated.

At anyrate, coming from Iowa, I never saw this ad and it certainly had no impact on me when I went to the caucus.

If I had seen it, I would have found it ludicrous and laughable.

[madfloridian]

15. Hey, I just posted the article done by a guy who wrote a book.

Or many books. Like The Buying of the President.

http://www.charles-lewis.com/books.htm

[emulatorloo]

16. I know -- I know your good intentions, but you probably know too that I am no fan of commondreams

In general they seem to jump the gun a lot, and always assume the worst about most Democrats. . .

(I updated my post w a little more info that I think came out after that article -- I was worried people might read it who had not seen the later stuff and we would be in a whole rehash of people claiming Kerry ran the ad when as far as I can tell he didn't. And he and Dean certainly became big allies later.)

[Clark2008]

18. Thank you.

I'm glad I'm not alone in my suspicions of Common Dreams.

[madfloridian]

20. Just for you two I posted the original. Argue with the website's author.

His name is Charles Lewis and he wrote some books.

Unless they are discredited also.

Hey folks...it's only politics isn't it? That's what we heard last time...cool down relax...it's poltics.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=194

[madfloridian]

22. I am not griping at all. It is just politics.

I found the original.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=194

[emulatorloo]

24. mf --

please I'm not picking at you -- you are one of my favorite DU'ers.

I was just noting that other info came out after that article re Kerry's disavowal of it, so that other du'ers who weren't around at the time would realize that the commondreams piece was not the last word on it.

:toast:

[madfloridian]

26. I know. This group's spokesman Gibbs was called out

at Kos, at MyDD and other blogs today. Personally they should have gone after Hillary's spokesman as well, not just Obamas.

They are still using the same old tired gravy train consultants. Nothing has changed.

I am tired of them all.

[Clark2008]

17. So - basically, no candidate was behind it, just people who

supported other candidates.

That happens all the time.

It's not quite the same as a candidate being behind it.

Plus, it's Common Dreams. Not high on my trust lists as site go...

[madfloridian]

21. I posted a link just for you.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=194

Same article. I took time to search for it.

Now. Let's impugn that site as well.

[madfloridian]

19. Since we no longer like Common Dreams...I tracked down the original.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=194

[Nikki Stone1]

29. We no longer like Common Dreams?

?

[madfloridian]

30. I do, they don't

:hi:

Easier to find the original than argue. Common dreams is great.

[Nikki Stone1]

31. Oh, ok

What's with the negativity about Common Dreams, though?

[madfloridian]

32. Trying to figure that out myself.

It's a great site.

[Nikki Stone1]

33. When you find out, let me know. It's one of the few places with decent articles

..

[LittleClarkie]

23. Gee, I didn't even know the little guy was political

I thought he just banged his tambourine and such.

[emulatorloo]

25. If only Chip Douglas hadn't picked on him for being short right before Daydream Believer!

All Davy wanted to do was sing that beautiful song.

That is what probably made him so angry.

[madfloridian]

28. Interesting aside note: Dean's campaign took in almost half a million

when they put that ad on their website and said let's fight back. That was one good thing. It did not do any good by then, but it showed we still had fight left.

Making lemonade out of lemons, the Dean campaign is using the anti-Dean ad to raise money. Dean for America put up a fundraising "bat" on its Web site designed to turn his supporters' ire at the attacks into cold, hard cash. The Web site features a full rundown of the ad and its surrounding controversy, explaining that "Democrats are better than this" and urging supporters to contribute to "show that we're going to keep fighting." So far the ad has brought in $459,541 for Dean.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/16/politics/main588924.shtml