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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 12:55 PM
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Chafee blasts the IWR Levin Amendment vote
Lincoln Chafee (R-RI, 1996-2006) writes a tough opinion piece in today's New York Times (edited):

The Senate’s Forgotten Iraq Choice
By LINCOLN D. CHAFEE

AS the presidential primary campaigns begin in earnest, the Iraq war is overshadowing all other issues. Presidential candidates who were in the Senate in October 2002 are particularly under the microscope, as they are being called upon to justify their votes for going to war.
The situation facing the candidates who cast war votes has, to my surprise, often been presented as a binary one — they could either vote for the war, or not.
On the contrary. There was a third way, which Senator James Jeffords (I-VT) hailed at the time as “one of the most important votes we will cast in this process.” And it was opposed by every single senator at the time who now seeks higher office.

The Senate had an opportunity to prevent the current catastrophe in Iraq and to salvage the United States’ international standing. Carl Levin (D-MI) offered a substitute to the war resolution, the Multilateral Use of Force Authorization Act of 2002. Senator Levin’s amendment called for United Nations approval before force could be authorized. Ceding no rights or sovereignty to an international body, the amendment explicitly avowed America’s right to defend itself if threatened.

Those of us who supported the Levin amendment argued against a rush to war. We asserted that the Iraqi regime, though undeniably heinous, did not constitute an imminent threat to United States security, and that our campaign to renew weapons inspections in Iraq would succeed only if we enlisted a broad coalition that included Arab states.
Unfortunately, these arguments fell on deaf ears in that hawkish moment, less than four weeks before a midterm election. The Levin amendment was defeated by a 75 to 24 vote. Later that night, the Iraq War Resolution was approved, 77 to 23. It was clear that most senators were immune to persuasion because the two votes were almost mirror images of each other — no to the Levin amendment, aye to war. Their minds were made up.

It was incomprehensible to me at the time that the Levin amendment received only 24 votes. Calling on presidential hopefuls to justify or recant their vote authorizing the president to take us to war almost misses the point.
The Senate had the opportunity to support a more deliberate, multilateral approach, one that still would have empowered the United States to respond to any imminent threat posed by Saddam Hussein. We must not sidestep the fact that a sensible alternative did exist, but it was rejected. Candidates — Democrat and Republican — should be called to account for their vote on the Levin amendment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/opinion/01chafee.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

Agree or disagree? Should both Republicans and Democrats be held to account for their Levin Amendment vote?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 12:58 PM
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1. yes-- they should be held to account for EVERYTHING they do...
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 12:59 PM by mike_c
...in the peoples' name.
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:04 PM
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2. Absolutely!
Anyone have the names of the 24 - here are the votes;

YEAs ---24
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chafee (R-RI)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---75
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 1
Bennett (R-UT)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:56 PM
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12. I would like to know Feingold's reasoning for voting no, since he voted against the IWR
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:00 PM
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13. Feingold voted NO on this war...and that meant no matter what.....
Just like he voted with the Republicans with a NO on Kosovo....at a time when all Dems voted Yeah.

I believe that part of the reason Feingold isn't running is because he is a pacifist before all else. It is a very principled stance on Feingold's part, but in reference to the general public, in particular after 9/11, not an electable principal, as many voters would find it too extreme.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:56 PM
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19. Do you have any support for claiming Feingold is a "pacifist?" I find that highly implausible.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:46 PM
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21. You be correct, and I appear to be incorrect as I did a bit more research....
Seems that Feingold does what he does for his own reasons, at times highly principled. I was under the impression that he believes only in self defense, but not for intervention.

So maybe not a true pacifist, but close as can be, it would seem.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:40 PM
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20. Feingold voted against Levin
Because he thought it put too much power in the UN over American troops. While the point on its own makes sense, I think he was wrong in this case, because Levin also called for a second debate and vote in Congress following any UN resolution or non-resolution.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:23 PM
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25. Thank you, WesDem, for the explanation.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:07 PM
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15. Gee, I see some candidates on the Nay list. But some said "oops" so ...
responsibility, schmesponsibility!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:21 PM
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18. Co-sponsors
Sen Reed, Jack - 10/9/2002
Sen Bingaman, Jeff - 10/9/2002
Sen Boxer, Barbara - 10/9/2002
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. - 10/9/2002
Sen Stabenow, Debbie - 10/9/2002
Sen Akaka, Daniel K. - 10/9/2002
Sen Jeffords, James M. - 10/9/2002
Sen Corzine, Jon S. - 10/10/2002
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:05 PM
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3. Tsk, Tsk..Sen Chafee..
better to change parties then allow yourself to become a tool for the RW hate machine.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:00 PM
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5. How is he doing that?
:shrug:
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:04 PM
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8. Ridiculous!
Chafee, following his obligation as a Senator, went to the CIA & had a one-on-one briefing on Iraq threat.

He said there was not convincing evidence of WMDs & voted "no" on the IWR.

If only other Senators had followed his example & performed their duties seriously.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:26 PM
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9. Speaking of "tools"...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:00 PM
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4. Your Op title is mis-leading as I read it.
It makes it appear that Chafee "Blasted" the levin amendment, which in fact he supported. He is reminding voters that there was an alternative to voting for or against war...and that was to vote the Levin amendment. He is correct.

Unfortunately, your OP headline muddles the point that Chafee accurately made.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:12 PM
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6. I see your point
Should have said "defeat of Levin Amendment"
Tried to edit, but it's too late.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:08 PM
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16. That's how I read it too - was afraid Chaffe recanted his positions
I was almost afraid to open it.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:16 PM
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7. YES, YES 1000 TIMES YES!!!
I have been saying this for a while. The Levin amendment provided all the cover anyone needed to vote yes on the resolution, but no to the war, especially if their reason for voting "yes" was simply to get the inspectors into Iraq.

If you need to know whether a politician was guided by honested to god principles or just pure politics, you need look no further than the Levin amendment for the answer.

I said in another thread, when someone asked for predictions, that I had a feeling that IF the democrats nominate Clinton, we would see a strong third party emerge, and it would in some way include Lincoln Chafee.

I know no one would want to hear it, but I would vote for Lincoln Chafee against ANY of the current democratic hopefulls. (When Gore and Clark enter the race, that changes as I would vote for both of them over any (R) or (I)).

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:33 PM
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10. Absolutely agree 100%
We have no business running candidates who enabled the war. And, yes, both Republicans and Democrats should be held accountable for voting against the Levin Amendment; I just don't have anything to say about Republicans since I got what I expected from them.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:44 PM
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11. I especially agree with this
Americans are gravely concerned about Iraq, and yearn for leadership to stabilize the situation there and gradually end United States involvement. Calling on presidential hopefuls to justify or recant their vote authorizing the president to take us to war almost misses the point.

The Senate had the opportunity to support a more deliberate, multilateral approach, one that still would have empowered the United States to respond to any imminent threat posed by Saddam Hussein. We must not sidestep the fact that a sensible alternative did exist, but it was rejected. Candidates — Democrat and Republican — should be called to account for their vote on the Levin amendment.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:07 PM
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22. I also agree
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 06:24 PM by Tom Rinaldo
It was too big a mistake to make to ignore now, and it is not just a historical concern, it can happen again. Not only are we still mired in a damned if we do damned if we don't war in Iraq, but it is threatening to expand into Iran in the near future. I'm not seeing enough leadership coming out of Congress to stop that either. Politics at the highest level has too many polling groups and not enough common sense, too often our elected leaders seem more interested in positioning themselves to win the next election than they are in doing what is right by America. I am not even sure that a lot of them know what is right for America, that often isn't what their expertise is, or even is their highest priority. What they are experts at is winning elections. Instead of becoming expert on the issues they become experts on image, instead of really knowing what our citizens need they priotitize knowing what their donor base wants.

We know that it was no coincidence that the IWR was rushed through Congress when it was, shortly before a mid term election. Karl Rove planned it that way because he knew some Democrats in Congress would be looking at their re-election campaign, or aspirations for higher office, closer than they would be looking at the policies being discussed. Either way the Democrats in Congress who got it wrong then but who are running now anyway made the wrong decisions. If they are running on their record than at the top of the record stands their judgement on going to war with Iraq, and why they did or did not support the Levin Amendment as sensible policy at that time. Chaffee is absolutely right, it was a sensible alternative to voting for or against the IWR that passsed. If they are running against their record, well that says something too I'm afraid.

I almost certainly will support the Democratic nominee who emerges, but I give no one a free pass through the primaries on this one.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:02 PM
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14. There was a competing one, so nuts, only the 2 co-sponsors voted on it
The Joementum/Edwards amendment. But we don't hold THEM responsible - cuz one of them said "oops!"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:09 PM
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17. At the time of the vote, the Levin amendment was being pushed by peace groups
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 04:17 PM by FrenchieCat
and activists and by Gen. Wes Clark as the only sane amemdment that might keep war from being inevitable.

Here's a snapshot as to what the net was advocating right before the vote on the IWR back in 2002:


10/09/02:
Don't Let Congress Ratify Bush Preemption Doctrine UPDATE:

UPDATE: Senate
If Sen. Daschle and Senate Democratic leaders cannot come to an agreement on the rules for debate by the end of today, then a cloture vote is likely. Cloture is a method of limiting debate or ending a filibuster in the Senate which takes at least 60 Senators. If a cloture vote carries, then it will deny Senators like Sen. Robert Byrd from filibustering. Thirty hours of floor debate is expected in the Senate, making an actual vote likely on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

The BUSH-LIEBERMAN WAR RESOLUTION is the Senate version of the Bush-Gephardt War Resolution.

The BIDEN-LUGAR AMENDMENT would authorize the use of force only to disarm Saddam Hussein, not depose him.

The LEVIN AMENDMENT, introduced by Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), would curtail the broad powers provided by the Bush-Lieberman War Resolution by requiring the President to first secure a UN Security Council authorization of the use of force in Iraq. It would require a second vote in the Senate pending action or inaction by the UN Security Council.

Senators should be urged to vote for the only resolution that would mandate a 2nd vote be taken before the President can launch a war against Iraq. Thus, implore your Senators to vote YES to the Levin Amendment and vote NO to the Bush-Lieberman War Resolution – S.J.Res.46.

Don’t give up! To resist is to win!

Send Free Faxes to Congress from True Majority

http://www.epic-usa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=102


Even in the Adam Nagourney NYT hit job on Wes Clark shortly after he announced his candidacy proclaiming that Wes Clark would have voted for war, the following paragraph is written:

"General Clark said that he would have advised members of Congress to support the authorization of war but that he thought it should have had a provision requiring President Bush to return to Congress before actually invading."
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2007/01/dissecting_nagourneys_nyt_arti.html

That part of Clark identifying the Levin amendment as the resolution that he recommended and would have supported got lost as folks got excited with the NYT headline that didn't reflect what Wes Clark had actually discussed.....nor did the author bother to highlight such!

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:59 PM
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23. I was horrified at those who
betrayed their fellow Democrat, Carl Levin, by voting against his amendment. He's a very smart guy and he knew what he was doing but they wouldn't listen to him. I've seen him speak and spoken with him personally many times since then. He's very earnest and knowledgable.

Thank the gods he has agreed to run for one more term in 2008.

Julie
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:07 PM
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24. Agree! I'm waiting to hear how the candidates respond to Chafee's challenge! nt
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 07:30 PM by Clarkie1
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 09:24 AM
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26. Kickin' this since it's getting duped
:kick:
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