Billie Jean King endorses Hillary Clinton...

[SaveElmer]

"What I learned when I first met Hillary, and what I know now, is that she is qualified to lead this country. As a young woman, mother, advocate, First Lady and Senator she has continually shown us she is passionate about improving family issues, healthcare, equal pay and the challenges that people all across this nation face on a daily basis," King said. "Hillary and I both believe strongly in equal rights and opportunities for all people. She is a winner and I am standing beside her because she has the vision, the drive and the knowledge to lead this country."

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006882271

[MannyGoldstein]

1. So Does Bobby Riggs

And Rosie Ruiz.

[elizm]

2. And that is important because????? n/t

[ShortnFiery]

29. Yes, who cares? This is such an inane topic. Oh, George Carlin does not!

:eyes:

[MasonJar]

3. I think Billie Jean has valid points about Hillary. I like her!

[Tellurian]

4. Yes, we know Hillary is the best candidate for the presidency...

and have complete confidence in her competency. Unfortunately for those here, she in not Dennis Kucinich. Who still believes he is a War protester and hasn't got a clue as to how to best represent his entire constituency, if they aren't all Left wingers.

[pennylane100]

5. I am a little confused about why Dennis Kucinich is in this conversation.

She has a right to speak up for her choice, and I disagree with her by the way, but there are a lot of other good choices besides Kucinich who I also would not support.
Am I missing something.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. You Are A Republican Who Hates Powerful Women

Isn't it obvious?

:sarcasm:

[Tellurian]

7. As written elsewhere..

In answer to your question. Progressives and Liberals are claiming this board as their territory and eagerly post demeaning remarks about Hillary. When in fact, this board is for all Democratic hopefuls. Hillary is our strongest and best candidate to win against the GOP in the general election. There isn't a candidate in the field that has done more for the public than she has during her tenure as senator.

You can peruse her website here for her accomplishments:

http://clinton.senate.gov/

As the the Liberal, Progressive, Democratic discussion, read here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3186648

[pennylane100]

10. While I have no doubt that Hilary is a worthy candidate

and I will certainly support her in the general election if she gets the nomination. However, I object to the posts that seem to entertain the notion that "if you are not for us you must be against us". That is complete bullshit, and we will only sink to the level of our opponents if we continue to use that kind of logic.

[Tellurian]

11. Agreed..

we need to place our strongest most organized candidate in the face of the GOP to have a fair chance at gaining a Democrat in the White House this next election cycle. The first step is the Primary.

[pennylane100]

17. Thank you.

A most gracious answer.

[karynnj]

22. Hillary has done more for the public in her tenure as Senator

than Biden has? or Dodd?

You make a better case when you include her experience as First lady.

[William769]

9. Self delete.

[Forkboy]

24. Obssession on the poster's part.

You'll get used to it.

[Learn2Swim]

63. Very true,

but I dunno if one can simply 'get used to it'.

Tellurian: "Hillary is our strongest and best candidate to win against the GOP in the general election."

I've seen you state that several times before. And it is complete and total bullshit. I also noticed you don't make your usual sunshine-pumping appearances in the threads discussing her nagatvie ratings and the # of people who "would never vote for HRC", which, btw lead the entire pack, on both sides by a double digit margin. I guess you find it tough to bullshit facts. Understandable.

Here's the truth. No one in this race wears a bigger target than Hillary, from either side. And it's not even close. Not even Giuliani's 435678821 marriages can top her. She matches up terribly in the General Election. Much worse than either Obama or Edwards (and I assume ALL other dem candidates). In fact, it looks as if, going by every poll Ive seen lately, she is the only front runner they can actually beat.

So it looks like your original statement, could be 100% factually correct, instead of utter bullshit, by simply changing one key operative word. This would then solve all of the problem, no? Well, allow me.

"Public Opinion PROVES Hillary is our strongest and best candidate to LOSE against the GOP in the general election."

And if you're feeling really frisky, you could try substituting the word ONLY for strongest and best. Enjoy.

[AndreaCG]

8. I wonder if the "Hillary is a dyke" rumors will start again

because surely a lesbian can't just be friends with a straight woman.

[hedgehog]

12. How old do you have to be to even know who Billie Jean King is?

[rurallib]

13. I have a lot of respect for Billie Jean's opinion.

She is a person who made a huge change in this world. I believe she does not make such an endorsement frivilously. I still do not support Hillary. But this endorsement means one hell of a lot more than a that of a former governor whose campaign debts were relieved for an endorsement.

[Alamom]

15. Vilsack Will Pay His Own Debt

http://www.whotv.com/global/story.asp?s=6300957

Vilsack Will Pay His Own Debt


March 29, 2007--Last Monday morning, Tom Vilsack endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. Monday night, word surfaced that Clinton's campaign would help Vilsack get out of debt. Now, Vilsack says that he will be the one to pay his bills, not the woman he endorsed for president.

"She isn't going to help. It would be very inappropriate for a candidate to help," Vilsack said of the rumors that Clinton would help pay off his campaign debt. Tom Vilsack told Channel 13's Dave Price that Clinton will not be picking up the phone to raise funds on his behalf.

[spooky3]

18. I agree with you on all points, especially that King has made a huge

difference with her courage, very hard work, and support of other women. She is one of my heroes.

[Mz Pip]

14. what bothers me about this

is that all these endorcements, regardless of who they are for or who is giving them, seem premature at best.

We haven't had one debate yet. Not one. It's 19 months until the election. Can't people just wait a while and see how things develop?

All those early endorcements Dean received didn't really do him much good, when it came down to the votes in the primaries. These endorcements seem more about getting a bit of PR for the endorcer rather than for the endorcee. Really, who has heard anything about Billy Jean King in the last decade until now anyway?

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Alamom]

16. She's( still) quite well known. The USTA National Tennis center

was rededicated as the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center last August and most important, her continued activism. (Aids Awareness, Gender Equality, etc.)



(from first link)

In addition to her work as a professional athlete and hall of fame tennis player, Billie Jean King has been a tireless activist for gay and lesbian rights, AIDS awareness, and gender equality. Billie Jean King also received the honorable distinction of being named Life Magazine's "100 Most Important Americans of the 20th Century."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean_King


In the mid-1990s, King became the captain of the United States Fed Cup team and coach of its women's Olympic tennis squad. She guided the U.S. to the Fed Cup championship in 1996 and helped Lindsay Davenport, Gigi Fernandez, and Mary Joe Fernandez capture Olympic gold medals.


In 2001, King received an award from the GLAAD, an organisation devoted to reducing discrimination against gays, lesbians and bisexuals, for "furthering the visibility and inclusion of the community in her work." The award noted her involvement in production and the free distribution of educational films, as well as serving on the boards of several AIDS charities.

On August 28, 2006, the USTA National Tennis Center in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park was rededicated as the USTA Billie Jean King National Tennis Center. John McEnroe, Venus Williams, Jimmy Connors, and Chris Evert were among the speakers during the rededication ceremony. The center is the largest sports facility in the world to be named after a woman.

[spooky3]

19. People who are ignorant about King are ignorant about history.

She has done more for women in sports and many other fields than probably anyone else.

[karynnj]

21. My husband and daughter met her about a dozen years ago

at a Tennis event. She was great - my husband asked her if she could give my then 9 or 10 year daughter an autograph. Smiling at my daughter, she said more to her than to my husband that she would be glad to - if she asked herself. When my daughter did, she got an autograph and was told never to be too shy to speak for herself. Very positive experience.

[Mz Pip]

27. There's a blanket statement

Kind of a big assumption there, doncha think? :eyes: Of course I know who King is. That's not the point. I just am not impressed with her early endorcement of Hillary, or anyone else's early endorcement of anyone else. It's too soon.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[slampoet]

20. I'm probably going to find at least one at DU...

but are there any non-white or poor feminists that are really into Hillary. If so why? What is the accomplishment that Hillary has made for women besides preserving rights they already had as of 1990? I've seen a lot of tries, but I can't think of any big successes. Please tell me what it is, I must have missed a newspaper or something.

What has Hillary done FOR women besides BE a woman? And is that enough for you?


Personally I think any positive effect that Hillary has had on women's lives is negated by the negative effect of the Bankruptcy bill on women everywhere....

I ask because I'm seeing a lot of people in my area say that if you don't vote for Hillary you aren't a feminist. Oddly these people wouldn't dare to call me a racist for not support Obama or Bill Richardson.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Hey, I'm a hard core feminist who is disappointed in HRC. Especially her constant

references to "My husband." I know that NOW needed the money but I'm also disappointed with them for IMO, selling out.

If you want to know why feminists and a few minority representatives are endorsing her, just FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Let's hope that us "little people" will not allow the smarmiest of the politicians to deceive us.

No, IMO, HRC is NO role model for young women for she stands for AMBITION before good character and personal integrity. She'd promise us ANY damn thing to get elected. That's just sad. :(

[Carolina]

50. Excellently put

and I totally agree about following the money. I see it as well, judging by the handful of smarmy pols in my reddest of red states who have been bought by the Clinton money machine.

You're so right ... exactly what has she done!? Many people on this board say Bill would never have made it without her, but the reverse is true. Bill had the smarts and, importantly, the charisma. He could be a policy wonk yet also charm and connect with people. On the other hand, Hilary draws the biggest crowds ONLY when he is with her, so she has to depend on 'her husband.'

I've since soured on him ... too cozy with Bush I, plus his legacy of the Telecommunications Bill and NAFTA. As for Hilary, her votes on the Bankruptcy Bill and IWR did it for me, yet she's supposed to be so smart and so pro-people. Yeah, right. Then she does not connect, she lacks the likeability factor -- petty, I know, but so necessary to WIN NATIONWIDE.

As a lifelong Democrat first inspired by JFK, I will never vote for her for anything, no matter who endorses her. I'm tired of repuke-lite corporatism, the DLC and the abandonment of liberal democratic principles by those who seek the highest office for self-gratification and self aggrandizement.

[ElizabethDC]

51. IIRC, Hillary did not vote on the Bankruptcy Bill

I believe that was when Bill was having his heart surgery, and she missed the vote so that she could be at the hospital in NYC with him. (Somebody else can check on that info, though, as my memory is vague.)

[paulk]

57. here is HRC's statement on the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill

as entered into the Congressional Record.

http://votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=83595&keyword=bankruptcy&phrase=&contain=

-----------------

clearly she would have voted against it.

this is worth bookmarking, since disinformation about her position on this is common.

[ElizabethDC]

61. Yep,

thanks for finding that - I'll bookmark it, because I've noticed that a number of people think she voted for it.

[slampoet]

81. Wow! I appologise to Hillary and anyone who read my ignorant post.

I could have Sworn that she voted for the bankruptcy bill.

I must have confused her position with that of Biden.

I'm sorry to have catapulted that propaganda.

[martymar64]

23. Hillary endorsed Lieberman in the primaries

They are ideological brethren and both are in the pocket of AIPAC.
That by itself makes Hillary a non-starter for me.

[wyldwolf]

25. So did John Lewis

[martymar64]

26. John Lewis isn't running for President

But then, support for Lieberman is a good thing for you. AIPAC and Israel uber alles, right?
Since your queen is so in favor of permanent troops in Iraq, she might have some use for you.

http://www.goarmy.com/contact/how_to_join.jsp?hmref=cs

[wyldwolf]

30. oh, so endorsing Lieberman in the primaries is only important if you're running for president?

But then, support for Lieberman is a good thing for you. AIPAC and Israel uber alles, right?
Since your queen is so in favor of permanent troops in Iraq, she might have some use for you.

:rofl:

[martymar64]

34. Not the only thing but it is a good indicator of one's ideology

I'm glad you had a good laugh.
That's something our boys stuck in Iraq don't have the luxury for, thanks to Hillary and Holy War Joe and war enablers like you.
I sent you the link to allow you to back up your pro-war attitude. But I have a feeling you're too chicken to put your butt on the line for your country.
The problem with you and your ilk is that you see the war in Iraq as an abstraction. As long as you don't have to sacrifice anything, then the suffering of our soldiers and all those Iraqi civilians is just AOK and peachy keen.

[wyldwolf]

35. John Lewis, Barbara Boxer, Barack Obama.... all endorsed him in the primary

[martymar64]

40. That means they all endorse the war in my book and don't deserve my vote.

All of you that support this war are traitors to the troops. You would rather have them die horrible deaths than bring them home. I hope you can live with yourself.

[wyldwolf]

41. well, I hope you stick to your word. Who ya voting for in 2008?

[martymar64]

43. Dennis Kucinich

He's the only one telling it like it is rather than what his paymasters tell him to say. He may lose, sure, but at least he takes a stand and isn't stained with the blood of our troops.

[rinsd]

65. Kucinich endorsed war supporter Edwards, even released his delegates to him

I guess in your black and white world heads are exploding at this very moment.

[wyldwolf]

69. oops.

[rinsd]

73. Absolutism will get you every time.

Especially in the world of politics.

:hi:

[SaveElmer]

28. So you are opposing Barack Obama for the same reason...correct?

And you would oppose any candidacy of Barbara Boxer as well correct...
Both endorsed, and campaigned for, Lieberman in the primaries

[SaveElmer]

32. * crickets *...

Waiting...

[ShortnFiery]

33. Well, I was disappointed and saddened that Barbara Boxer endorsed Lieberman,

especially since many of their political positions are diametrically opposed to one another.

I don't know what exactly to make of this act by Boxer but I hope that FRIENDLY Senate relationships do not trump one's dedication to representing the views of her constituents. I fear that because they are friends personally, she felt obligated. I'm still disappointed. :(

[martymar64]

37. I oppose anyone that supports the war

Of course, to you and your Queen Hillary cohorts and other DLC/AIPAC supporters, you see the war as an abstraction. The Brothers and fathers and sons and husbands serving in Iraq are simply pawns for scoring political points for your queen. They are not real people to you, just poor uneducated clods from flyover country that you can use and discard when they no longer serve your purpose. I doubt that you even know anyone serving over there. I served my country in the Army, how about you?

[SaveElmer]

39. How about addressing YOUR objection...

Or sticking to the subject for once...rather than simply confirming the worst impressions some have of self-styled "progressives"...

You said:

Hillary endorsed Lieberman in the primaries...
That by itself makes Hillary a non-starter for me.

So if I understand English...and I think I do...absent any other information you would not vote for a candidate that supported Joe Lieberman in the primaries...

So I ask again...are you withholding support from Barack Obama on this basis as well...and would you not support a Barbara Boxer candidacy on the same grounds...?

It's a very simple question!

[martymar64]

42. Anyone that supports Lieberman is de facto suporting the war, just like you!

There is no shade of gray with this issue. The only acceptable position is to endorse bringing our troops home now.
As for being progressive, you surely aren't one . . . especially when you are so cavalier about letting our troops die in Iraq.

[SaveElmer]

44. So your answer is YES...you will not vote for Barack Obama...nt

[martymar64]

45. what does it matter to you? It sounds like you're afraid of Obama

Besides I could be lying and actually vote for Obama, just to make sure that Queen Hillary loses the primary here in Texas and get her one step closer to losing any chance for the nomination. But then you would never know about it, secret ballots and all.

Fuck it, maybe I'll vote for him after all, just to rub Queen Hillary's defeat in your smarmy little face.

[SaveElmer]

46. Just like to expose hypocrisy wherever I can...

If you refuse to vote for Obama on that basis, then you are being consistent...

Personally I could care less who you vote for...

But your tirades have been enjoyable!

[martymar64]

47. Look in the mirror for hypocrisy.

I never said I would cast my vote purely on one piece of criteria, that's for smarmy douchebags like you.

It's been really fun rattling your cage, you Queen Hillary fans are so easy to upset. N
Now if you could muster up some outrage about this war, but one has to have a heart and humanity to do that, so I guess I'm hoping for too much from you.

Cheerio!

[SaveElmer]

48. Sure you did...

You can't even keep your own pronouncements straight...

Did you or did you not say...

"Hillary endorsed Lieberman in the Primaries...That by itself makes Hillary a non-starter for me."

In case you can't find it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3188347&mesg_id=3188918

[ElizabethDC]

49. You really seem to enjoy insulting people, don't you?

It's one thing to have a debate about issues or about a candidate, but "smarmy douchebags like you"? Come on, that's just immature and offensive.

[martymar64]

52. He had it coming

Anyone who sees our troops as an abstraction for scoring political points while they shed their blood in Iraq and supports leaving our troops there permanently is fulling deserving of my derision. Is that your opinion too? Do you want our troops to stay there permanently? SaveElmer, Hillary and her soulmate Lieberman certainly feel that way.
Being called a hypocrite is pretty offensive to me, yet I don't see you stepping up in my defense. To me that means you agree with his defense of a warmonger. Do you agree?

It's helpful to know who one's enemies are.

[ElizabethDC]

53. Yes, I agree with all of that, exactly as you said it

I worship at the feet of warmonger "Queen Hillary" because, like her, I don't care at all about the troops and I just want to the leave them there - for fun, you know? To see what happens. :sarcasm:

I really don't think that what you've said is an accurate description of Hillary's stance on the issue nor, I'm guessing, how SaveElmer feels (though I can't presume to speak for him). But I guess sometimes it's just easier to hurl insults than to actually debate the issues.

[martymar64]

55. You want to debate the war? Let's do it!

Hillary has already explicitly stated that she would keep a permanent military prescence in Iraq, you can easily find her quote. SaveElmer supports Hillary. Draw your own conclusions. Feel free to rebut my take on Hillary's position. BTW, there is no real debating with SE or any other Queen Hillary cult members, they simply refuse to listen to reason. It's kind of like debating a Bushbot. He has already declared himself as my enemy and I shall treat him as such, just like I would treat Republicans, Nazis and Stalinists.
I'm going to take a leap of faith and assume that you're not one of the DLC/AIPAC/Lieberman/Hillary crowd (they're interchangeable) so I'm willing to reasonably debate you on the war.
The war is the single most important crisis facing this nation. If we don't get out and fast, we may not have a country left to defend. This war has the potential to destroy us economically and politically. We will NEVER win this war! Stating this fact is not defeatist, merely realistic. This war is our Stalingrad moment, the beginning of the end of the United States as a viable political entity. It's only a matter of time before the troops rebel against their commanders and bring the revolution home, just like what happened in Czarist Russia.
I see those who would dance around the issue, refusing to commmit to an immediate withdrawl as cowards. Those who support the war explicitly or implicitly by their silence are our enemies, regardless of party affiliation.
I admit that insults are an emotional response borne out of frustration over the craven indifference to the suffering of our troops and the Iraqi people exhibited by people like SE. But if I didn't throw that out, this probably would never have gotten your attention. People in this country have grown complacent with March Madness and American Idol and the travails of Paris and Britney and can't or won't see the abyss that our country teeters over. The high ideals expressed by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution has been twisted and perverted by the moneychangers n the temple belonging to both parties. Our economy is being gutted by the robber barons with the enabling policies of Hillary and the DLC, with people like SaveElmer cheering them on and all you worry about is decorum. To see all this and not be outraged is simply inhuman.

[ElizabethDC]

60. Um, well

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'm definitely not a member of any kind of cult - though I support Hillary, I can recognize her faults. But, since you'll already have written me off because I'm a Hillary supporter, I doubt you'll listen to anything that I have to say.

(P.S. - Hillary and Lieberman have completely separate and distinct positions on the war - correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Lieberman supports Bush's surge. Hillary, on the other hand, supports the wthdrawal plan that the Democrats have put forward in Congress, and she voted for it. No, she doesn't intend to bring all the troops immediately - she, like Obama and other Democrats, believes that a residual amount of troops should stay in Iraq after the withdrawal).

[martymar64]

66. This Democrat doesn't want permanent troops in Iraq.

Neither do any other Democrats I know, including many veterans. Do YOU believe that permanent troops are necessary in Iraq? If so, why?
Do you believe that her vote was genuine? You know, it's an old political trick to vote for something you know is going to lose, just to be able to say you supported it even though you don't.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you the opportunity to address a few of the multiple reservations I have about her.
What guarantee would we have that if Hillary was by some miracle elected President, that she wouldn't just go back on her word to pull troops out and push for another "surge" in order to appear tough? Can you guarantee that she won't preemptively attack Iran, just to please Israel? How do we know she won't continue to kowtow to AIPAC and the DLC and the Military/Industrial Complex at the expense of the American people? How do we know she won't just issue blanket pardons to the entire Bush/ Cheney cabal and let them escape scot-free for their multiple crimes against humanity? Will she push for the complete repeal of the Patriot Act? Can you guarantee that she will end all torture and domestic spying and bring the perpetrators to justice? Can you guarantee that she will end the tax breaks for the superwealthy that puts an undue burden on the rest of us? Can you guarantee that she will end the failures that are the War on Drugs and War on Terror? Can you guarantee that she will fight to restore habeas corpus and the other constitutional rights that we have lost?

I have many doubts about her, but since you know her so well, maybe you can shed some light on these very reasonable and legitiamte questions.

[martymar64]

71. I guess by your lack of response to my questions . . .

that there is no guarantee that Hillary won't completely sell us down the river for the sake of political expediency.
Do you not have complete and utter faith in the good intentions of your candidate? Don't you think she will do what is in the best interests of the American people at all times, eschewing any undue influence by foreign or domestic forces that would potentially undermine We the People?

[rinsd]

72. Let me know when this politician comes into being

"have complete and utter faith in the good intentions of your candidate? Don't you think she will do what is in the best interests of the American people at all times, eschewing any undue influence by foreign or domestic forces that would potentially undermine We the People?"

[martymar64]

74. Can we count on Hillary to support us at all?

I'd be happy if she would do good by us one time out of ten, but I doubt she would do even that, her paymasters won't let her. She hasn't done even that yet after 7 years in the Senate, in fact I cannot recall ONE good thing she's done for the people in those seven years. Perhaps you can refresh my memory.

[ElizabethDC]

76. I didn't answer your questions because

I'm at work and I'm not in front of the computer all day. I can sit down and look at then when I'm at home, but answering your questions is unfortunatly not my priority while I'm at work.

[martymar64]

78. I understand

I ask those questions because everything I see and hear about Hillary frankly scares me. I get the feeling that it will be a continuation of Bush policies. Bush supports AIPAC, so does she. Bush supports outsourcing our jobs, so does she. Bush supports our troops being in Iraq forever, so does she. Bush supports criminalizing flag burning, so does she.
The rabid Hillary supporters scare the hell out of me too. I don't yet count you as one of those. So seem like a reasonable person. To them, anyone who doesn't support her blindly is a traitor that should be locked up. It may be a little hyperbolic but you get the point. I want to be sure our people won't be sold down the river. I don't to replace a Republican dictator with a Democratic dictator. It's going to take more than two terms to return this country back into something worthy of respect. I just want to ensure that we won't have someone continuing to take us in the wrong direction, which is what I fear from a Hillary presidency.

[SaveElmer]

54. The funny thing is...I never really mentioned Hillary...

Or the war...I simply asked if his statement that supporting Joe Lieberman in the primary was reason enough to vote against a candidate included Barack Obama...or Barbara Boxer

And then the tirade began...

Actually, he is still ticked that I criticized Dennis Kucinich's record...and rather than attempt to rebut the factual information I presented, simply decided that cursing was the best way to represent Kucinich at DU...

[martymar64]

56. Just like your sophistry is your idea of supporting Hillary

Don't try to play all innocent.
I've seen your threads for months getting all huffy anytime someone has criticism of your precious Hillary and her craven policies.

Doesn't feel so great when the shoe's on the other foot, does it?
At least I know who the enemy is now.

[SaveElmer]

58. I have to say...

You are possibly the most entertaining person that has ever responded to me...

[martymar64]

59. At least my opinions are genuine

Can't say the same for Hillary. She doesn't say anything that hasn't been focus-grouped to death.

[SaveElmer]

64. Sure they are...

You won't even take responsibility for your own statements...

And let me give you a little free advice: If you really want to have a serious discussion with someone...it might be a good idea not to call them a douchebag...they might not think you are serious...

[martymar64]

68. Now which statement is that?

I stand by my opinions. If your talking about discounting candidates based on one hypothetical item, then you obviously don't understand when someone is humoring you.
You still haven't addressed my real question about the war. But then I guess its hard to defend the indefensible.

All you have to do is go on the record and say " I am unequivocably against the war in Iraq". If you will say that, I'll believe you.

[martymar64]

70. Your silence speaks volumes

I gave you a golden chance to denounce the war, and you refuse to take it.
I guess this means you concede the point that you are pro-war!

[SaveElmer]

86. Ok...I'll Play...

Provide me a link where Hillary Clinton said she wants to establish PERMANENT bases in Iraq.

[martymar64]

62. Now, tell me your opinion about the war.

I'm giving you the opportunity to defend yourself and your buddies Hillary and Lieberman.

[zulchzulu]

75. Exactly... Lieberman was endorsed when he was a Democrat

I find this a non-issue.

Personally, I would have not backed Lieberman under any circumstances, but those that backed him before he lost in the initial primary were giving him the benefit of a doubt. He was a Democrat at the time...before he lost.

[martymar64]

79. Sorry to disagree but Lieberman hasn't been a Democrat for a loooong time

His position were more a combination of Republican/Likud/Kach parties. Israel uber alles, the American people be damned. He was and still is a traitor to America.

[zulchzulu]

82. Well, he had a (D) next to his name at the time...

Now it's an (I).

Don't get me wrong. I think that if Gore has chosen his dog over Lieberman for VP in 2000, we'd be seeing Al finishing up his second term.

[KingFlorez]

36. So what?

[martymar64]

38. What it means is that Hillary likes this war just like Holy Joe!

If any of you Queen Hillary/DLC/AIPAC fans had any guts or courage, you'd go join the Army today and go do your part. But of course, our troops are just an abstraction to you, merely pawns in your sick power games, there to bleed and die for your craven benefit. I bet you don't even know anyone serving in this war.
As long as the troops come from places like Compton or Pacoima and not Thousand Oaks or Beverly Hills, the war is AOK with you, right?

[Forkboy]

67. Hey,that's cool.I like BJK

Doesn't make any difference of course.I doubt most people even remember who she is anymore.But it's a nice endorsement anyways.

[zulchzulu]

77. Chris Evert will probably go for Obama

...and what about Andre Agassi...

[SaveElmer]

80. Chris Evert is a Republican...

Unfortunately!

[zulchzulu]

83. My point exactly...

Obama has support from moderate Republicans as well as Democratic progressives...

:->

[SaveElmer]

84. Thought you were joking...

But if you aren't...good for Obama...and good for Evert coming in from the dark side...

[rodeodance]

85. thanks Billie Jean