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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 01:46 PM Original message |
Analysis by David Sirota of Edwards as the People Party Candidate of 08 |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Let's nominate another guy who can't win his own state |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. 2004 was a different election. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I know...last election Edwards defended IWR |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Take a look at some current primary poll numbers |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. not only that, but I think he'd do better in the general election there, |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. We know we had election shenanigans in NC. Machines that dropped votes |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Honest, snark-free question here for anyone out there |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. You assume Edwards would lose his home state. Last time he ran on his own |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That's not an answer, but thanks anyway |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. see my post #14. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. The 2004 results suggest Edwards isn't terribly popular in his home state |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I don't think it's the right question. When was the last time a Dem |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So why waste the nomination on a Southerner? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Yeah, it's damned hard to see what Kerry did for that ticket |
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AshevilleGuy (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Yeah. We wasted them on Carter, Bill Clinton, and Al Gore, after all. |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Blue staters can't win red states - is that your point? |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. The Midwest/Southwest is more like it as a starting point |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Gore. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. I agree. I think North Carolina is close behind Virginia in turning blue. (nt) |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
35. But what states can Obama win? |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Obama can win the south as well as anyone else. By saying that he |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Both - the south is a difficult place to win |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great link. Here is the part of the analysis that made most sense to me: |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Damn you beat me by 14 minutes |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. LOL. Seems a little more Edwards friendly over there. |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. A little more progressive, a little more Edwards friendly, a little less Kucinich hostile ... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sirota wrote about The People Party vs The Money Party..... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
13. Sirota's basic assessment of Clinton/Obama/Edwards scenario is flawed |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Absolutely correct. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. right again |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Actually Edwards has changed the focus of his campaign. I was a Deaniac |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Edwards has been pursuing a more populist course for a while. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. But Obama was a community advocate for 3 years |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. It has more to do with Sirota's anger at Obama and Clinton than anythign else |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Good post |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. precisely why I don't pay attention to blog chatter |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Well, you can put me on the same page as Sirota.... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Obama is not about himself |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. I support Edwards over EVERYONE - Republicans do NOT want to face Edwards! |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I agree. The DLC/media/Wall Street interests would prefer Hillary or Obama. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Here's Edwards in 2002 on the DLC |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I like Obama, too, but "life long progressive" is a bit of a stretch. Obama gets a "C" from for his |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Whoa, two votes wipe out a lifetime of commitment to liberal causes |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. It's not just those two votes. I just highlighted those two. I also have reservations about his |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Criticisms acknowledged and appreciated...We'll knock him around here |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. You might want to try reading the speech. Those were remarks |
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Czolgosz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I like both Edwards and Kucinich (and - only slightly less - Dodd and Obama), but between Edwards |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. Excellent Analysis by Sirota |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. "To date, it's fair to say Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's campaigns have been about themselves." |
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cadmium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The recent spate of attacks on Obama |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. If you go around and ask 100 people what each of those candidates stands for |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Obama made his endorsement Oct 26th--a little late, I'd say. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. I would argue that was more helpful than his endorsement of Lieberman on March 31st |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Well that sure beats the lie that he "never endorsed Lamont" as some have said... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
51. Thank you. Selected paragraphs |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-05-07 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. great article... |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Carter endorsed Edwards in 2004? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Dean tried very hard to get Carter's endorsement, but I don't think Carter endorsed anyone |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-06-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That's what I remember - Carter didn't endorse anyone nt |
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