Christians are offended by partial birth abortion

[BOSSHOG]

But it your son or daughter gets blown all to fuck in Iraq that's just fine and dandy with the pro life constitution hating bastards.

I heard some extremely arrogant and evil bitch from family research council this morning (working for Jesus?) saying that the partial birth supreme court ruling was good for democracy. These same bastards would say the same thing if slavery were reinstated.

They sure do like THEIR constitutional liberties.

[DURHAM D]

1. I am offended by Christians ! n/t

[uppityperson]

23. I'm offended by Fundamentalists, Christians and others.

Those that want to force their beliefs on everyone else, those that hold narrow beliefs and are so blasted righteous about them, those that pick and chose what bits to believe and are willing to force me to do the same or call for my death. Those are the ones I am offended by.

[JuniperLea]

28. Jesus wasn't that way!

Too bad these so-called Christians haven't paid more attention to what he was all about.

[uppityperson]

29. Indeed. The interpretation and application is the issue.

I've been told I am and I am not a christian, depending upon their interpretation. I know who and what I am, but have been amused at being called a non-christian because I don't pray to Jesus to get me personal favors.

[JuniperLea]

30. I hate that crap!

Especially when some damn ball player or actor thanks God! Oh yeah, he has nothing better to worry about than your damn home run or Oscar!

If we are to believe what Jesus REALLY said, God knows what's in our hearts. And there's no extra points because you sat your blasphemous ass down in church every Sunday. He spits the lukewarm out:)

I pray the rapture is true. I know it's not biblical, but damn... can you imagine all the dumbass sacrilegious fundies "left behind"? Now THAT's entertainment!

I know, I'm bad... I just hate the hypocrisy so much.

[uppityperson]

31. I made the mistake once of picking up one of those books. Thought it was sci-fi

partway through I am wondering wtf this is about, will it ever get interesting or to a point. Then I figured out what I had. The cover looked good, but the inside? Bah.

[churchofreality]

37. Ditto!

[SharonAnn]

38. Women are offended by men telling them what to do.

[Deep13]

2. Point of fact, I'm offended by Christianity.

Actually, I find little redeeming in religion generally, but Christianity has a particularly screw-up premise. Plus it's everywhere in this country. Human nature is inherently corrupt (thanks for making us that way, God) so God demands a blood sacrifice of himself in the form of a dude. He can't just forgive us, he requires suffering. Consequently, only by "believing in" (whatever that means) his corporeal alter ego can we escape eternal hell. Also, suffering makes us holy. Bat-shit insane.

And yes, Fundies believe in Jesus Christ, ergo, they are real Christians.

[JuniperLea]

5. I disagree

The definition of Christianity is the endeavor to lead one's life in a Christ-like manner. There is nothing Christ-like in this particular behavior.

Believing in Christ does not make you a Christian any more than believing in Satan makes you a Satanist.

[Deep13]

6. Definition per Christians:

We believe in one God
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit
and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand
of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
and the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in the one holy catholic
(Christian) and apostolic church.
We acknowledge one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

If you accept that, you are a Christian.

By the way, conservative Christians insist that liberals are not Christians because they do not accept the "word" of God, which means their own interpretation of the Bible. I particular, they don't like the way liberals focus on doing good (they don't usually see it as good) in this world rather than getting all rapture ready.

[JuniperLea]

8. You are preaching to the choir here...

I was raised in a Fundy church and had a music ministry of my own... I'm fully aware, trust me.

What you have posted is their doctrine; a true Christian KNOWS there is a difference between believing a doctrine and the definition of a Christian. No surprise these neo-Christian heathens are clueless.

[SharonAnn]

39. That's the Nicene Creed. I think there are other types of christians?

[ThomCat]

9. The contradiction in your definition

is that

1. Just because someone endevors to be christ-like (whatever that means) doesn't mean they succeed. So if someone fails to be christ-like in your estimation, but thinks they are succeeding, are they christian or not? Who decides?

2. We're not just talking about people who believe in christ. We're talking about people who believe they are following christ, doing christ's work, who are doing things in his name, and usually organizing through his churches. So how are those people not christians?

[JuniperLea]

12. No, the contradiction lies in the way the word of God has been

Bastardized.

1. Of course! No man/woman can do that because we are human. Our righteousness is but filthy rags before the Lord. The point is the endeavor, and the humility.

2. They believe they are following Christ's ways because they are being told so. They cherry pick from the Bible in an attempt to prove what they are doing is just, but they don't succeed in the eyes of those of us who have truly studied. They are not Christians because their actions are based in hate for their brothers and sisters. They have forgotten a main premise in Jesus' teachings, which is that we are all children of His Father; we are to hate only the sin, but love the sinner.

If the right-wingers really studied the matter, they'd find they have more in common with Muhammad than with Jesus. Muhammad was a merchant, a businessman and entrepreneur - a capitalist. Before Jesus walked off his job, he was a carpenter, a common laborer - and with his talk of brotherhood, no doubt would have been a union man.

He hung out with the dregs of society: the poor, prostitutes, tax collectors, and finally thieves. Not exactly the kind of person to whom you would entrust your most precious and eternal possession: your stock portfolio.

Jesus revealed his anti-business agenda as soon as he threw the money-changers out of the temple. To the orthodox for whom taxation is government organized theft, Jesus' clear advocacy of paying taxes by "rendering unto Caesar" is a complete abomination. Scholars are still divided over whether the raising of Lazarus was to escape the death tax or an intent to pay it twice.

Jesus' purpose in life was to do the will of His heavenly Father. Wherever He went, He brought goodness. He never hurt or injured anyone, although He did get angry at others who did wrong. He called self-righteous church-going people vipers and once turned over tables in the temple where money-changers were taking advantage of the people.

Jesus was friends with the outcast of society—sinners. He reached out to the publicans, thieves, prostitutes. He never scorned anyone. He knew what was in the heart of a man (or woman). Just because they were religious did not mean that they knew God.

"Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments'" (Matthew 22:37-40, emphasis mine).

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another" (John 13:34-35).

The counterfeit Christ and his followers have long lists of "do's and don'ts" that are preached as "Gospel." And everyone who doesn't subscribe to their legalistic list are condemned. We see them protesting with signs that read "God hates fags," "God hates baby-killers," and "God hates !"

'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:40

"Judge not, lest you be judged yourself. And the measure that you use shall also be put to you." Matthew 7:1-2

[JuniperLea]

14. PS

Only God decides:)

[ThomCat]

16. Then no christian can ever be guilty of anything

because as soon as someone is guilty they are somehow not christian.

I wonder if you would give every other religion the same free pass? Is the Muslim religion so pure and blameless?

[JuniperLea]

17. You misunderstand me

I'm not condoning anyone's actions here! If anything, I'm railing against, now pay attention to this part because it's important... NEO-Christians...

God said he forgives as many times as there are stars in the heavens... that's His business, not yours or mine.

We can point out the fallacy in the neo-Christians because God's word is very clear about love.

I don't know enough about the Muslim religion to comment. But I cannot believe you see anything at all in what I've posted that exonerates Christians from anything! That's just absurd.

[LiberalFighter]

3. What the hell does PBA have to do with democracy? They are so twisted!!

[JuniperLea]

4. I'm offended by these neo-Christians

I haven't seen a REAL Christian speak out in so long it's frightening. These blasphemous idiots are giving God a bad name.

The Prince of Peace would never condone war. And he had this thing about loving the sinners... as opposed to messing with their lives.

[Deep13]

7. "The Prince of Peace would never condone war. "

Matt.10
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

[JuniperLea]

10. The "sword" is the word of God

Not really a sword.

What he is talking about here is setting the status quo on its ear... he's speaking of reaching out to Jews with a new doctrine, a new policy. Something that will pit them against one another because the old ways are so ingrained.

I spent nearly 20 years studying the Bible as a Fundy... I know where all the bodies are buried:)

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. A new doctrine?

Matthew 5:17:

Do not think that I have come to overturn or do away with the law or the words of our prophets. To the contrary: I have not come to overturn them but to fulfill them.

[JuniperLea]

24. Well, Jews would say so!!

A new policy... otherwise, there would be no Christianity! All Christians would be Jews, like Jesus.


Again, you have to read the entire chapter, maybe two or three in this case. Cherry picking scripture is so misleading.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. That was not cherry picking. By his own words, he was not advocating

any new way - he was, in fact, invoking the ancient laws. He could not have said it any more clearly.

ON EDIT: Of course, it can be interpreted that he was claiming to 'fulfill' them by being the Messiah, but frankly, claimants to be the messiah popped up with great regularity, so that's not indicitive of much. He was NOT saying, I am here to turn the world upside down.

[JuniperLea]

26. Do you even know where that comes from?

The sermon on the mount! Read the whole thing, then tell me Jesus advocated war and wasn't teaching a new way to live.

[JuniperLea]

27. No fair... you edited after I responded...

never mind... my response still stands... and if you look up-thread, you will find another cherry picked verse that completely negates what you just said... it's Jesus talking about the great turmoil that can be expected because of his demands for unconditional love.

Edited (right away) to add that Jesus himself said many would come in his name claiming to be the Messiah... you either believe or you don't.

After my experience as a young Fundy, I'm Agnostic:) But that doesn't mean I automatically lost all that I learned about scripture either!

I believe there have been many wise men on Earth. Jesus is thought, by many of other religions, to be one.

[ElizabethDC]

11. Can we clarify that this doesn't apply to ALL Christians?

This applies to certain sects of Christianity.

I'm a Christian, and I was appalled by yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

[JuniperLea]

13. You shall know them by their works!

Anyone who knows the true definition of the word "Christian", knows these are not real Christians. That's why I refer to them as neo-Christians.

Not surprising, though. Do you remember Christ's teachings about how many will come in His name? We are seeing this now!

These are the kind of neo-Christians who carry signs saying things like, "God Hates Fags!" Anyone who truly knows Jesus, knows without question that this is a blasphemous lie.

[ElizabethDC]

15. I know, and it's so sad to me that these people are viewed as representatives of Christianity

well, it's not the Christianity that I know.

[JuniperLea]

18. Me either!

Quite the opposite in fact. Bizarro Christianity!

[SemperEadem]

19. they get away with it

because others are afraid of what these crazy people will unleash on them. I remember reading something about phelps' myrmidons in Kansas having such a complete rule that people in political and law enforcement position in their town are afraid to confront them because of the craziness that phelps and his congregation will turn loose on them--they are intimidated into keeping quiet by those doing absolute wrong.

[JuniperLea]

21. It will take TRUE Christians to rally against them...

The Methodists have done pretty well with speaking out against the war. I'd hoped they would take it a step further and start publicly disagreeing about the hate-mongering as well.

[BOSSHOG]

20. Hello My Friend

I call them Christians for two reasons. One, they call themselves christians and two, such a distinction riles up good people like you. In a much less significant and lighter example I'm not flattered by the comment "spend money like a drunken sailor." I spent 24 years in the Navy and thats a stereotype that just doesn't hunt (anymore) but its much more offensive when similarly applied to one's faith. I like to agitate the real christians in this country to see what is being done in their name. Peace to you and yours.

[KingFlorez]

32. They are offended by things that are absolutely none of their business

They hate the government and wish there was less government influence, but want to use the law to impose what they believe. They have a crazed obsession to control people.

[BOSSHOG]

33. Thankyou my friend

This shrill, evil, arrogant and well trained evil human being on NPR today has only one goal, the forcing of the bible on all Americans. That is the Family Research Council's goal. They are pure fucking constitution hating evil garbage.

I DID NOT SPEND 24 YEARS IN UNIFORM SUPPORTING AND DEFENDING THE BIBLE.

[PreacherCasey]

34. I have nothing to do with any religion, and I am offended by partial birth abortion.

My one caveat is if the woman's life is in danger.

[Hippo_Tron]

36. "Partial Birth Abortion" is not a medical term

It's right wing jargon for Dialation and Extraction. It's the same as referring to the Estate Tax as the "Death Tax". And the law that was passed was done so without an exception for the health of the mother. Women don't wait until the third trimester and then suddenly decide that they want to have an abortion. The procedure is performed in cases to preserve the mother's life or health. That's why any ban that makes an exception for the life or health of the mother would be redundant and any ban that doesn't make that exception jeopardizes the life and health of the mother. Hence, congress should spend its time on more important things rather than scoring political points with people who don't like "Partial Birth Abortion".

[Gloria]

35. I'm offended by the asshole Democrats who can't throw the term PBA right

back in the ugly muggs of these creeps so that the f*cking media doesn't adopt the language as the "official" term....

I'm also pissed that Boxer is introducing the "Freedom of Choice Act"--about as descriptive as choosing from a fast-food menu and just as trivial, while the red-meaters use terms like PBA.

Let's get serious. WOMEN'S HEALTH PROTECTION ACT...doesn't that really cut to the real core of the issue that most Americans can understand?????? And feel some motivation about defending?????

I wrote to Babs, but Nadler's website won't accept out of district emailers like me. Wish someone in his district would deliver the message...