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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:48 PM
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Impeach Gonzales?
White House says he stays.

Justice Dept. is compromised. I think he should go. Congress should impeach.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:51 PM
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1. Mixed feelings here
He sure can do more damage in the months remaining of this evil administration. But gonzalez is aggravating republicans right now. They know the longer he stays, the longer they will be the minority party in this country. And I have every confidence in bush that whomever he might nominate will be incompetent and have disdain for the constitution - what bush looks for in his nominees.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:52 PM
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2. It is the consitutional rememdy
they know they have to run the clock by the way

The problem is... do we have the votes in teh senate?

Impeachment without conviction is really not going to send any message here
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:54 PM
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3. Yup!!!
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/03/24/gonzales_should_be_impeached/

SNIP

It's hard to imagine a more direct assault on the impartiality of the law or the professionalism of the criminal justice system. There are several other reasons to remove Gonzales, all involving his cavalier contempt for courts and liberties of citizens, most recently in the FBI's more than 3,000 cases of illegal snooping on Americans.
Why impeachment? In our system of checks and balances, the Senate confirms members of the Cabinet, but impeachment for cause is the only way to remove them. The White House, by refusing to cooperate, has now left Congress no other recourse.
Instead of responding to lawful subpoenas, President Bush has invited congressional leaders to meet informally with Karl Rove and other officials involved in the prosecutor firings, with no sworn testimony and no transcript. Rove narrowly escaped a perjury indictment in the Cheney/Libby/Wilson affair. You might think these people had something to hide.
After the administration refused to cooperate, Republican Senator Arlen Specter inadvertently gave the best rationale for impeachment. Referring to the White House invocation of executive privilege, Specter warned, "If there is to be a confrontation, it's going to take two years or more to get it resolved in court."
Exactly so. By contrast, an impeachment inquiry could be completed in a matter of months. The White House, knowing the stakes, would find it much harder to stonewall. And Gonzales might well be asked to resign rather than exposing the administration to more possible evidence of illegality.
In refusing to cooperate, Bush puffed himself up to the swaggering truculence that has worn so thin, declaring, "We will not cooperate with a partisan fishing expedition." But this investigation is hardly partisan, since several Republican senators and congressmen have called for Gonzales to resign. And if there were ever a legitimate subject of full congressional investigation, tampering with criminal investigations on political grounds is surely one.

As for fishing expeditions, compared with what? The Whitewater investigation ended with no charges related to the original investigation and veered instead into sexual exposé -- which had what connection with Whitewater? Now there was a partisan fishing expedition.

But can the House impeach the attorney general? The Constitution is clear that Congress may impeach "all civil officers of the United States." In our history, the House has impeached two presidents, and just one member of the Cabinet, William Belknap, secretary of war under president Ulysses S. Grant.

Belknap had profited from kickbacks by military contractors. The House began impeachment proceedings, documented the charges, and just before the articles were formally voted, on March 2, 1876, Belknap resigned. But the House voted impeachment anyway. The reason, as House Judiciary Chairman J. Proctor Knott explained to the Senate, "was that his infamy might be rendered conspicuous, historic, eternal, in order to prevent the occurrence of like offenses in the future."

A fine discussion of the Belknap precedent was written last December on the legal website findlaw.com, by, of all people, President Nixon's former legal counsel John Dean. (Astoundingly, the best lawyer the Bush White House can find for advice on stonewalling is another Watergate veteran, Fred Fielding.)

And speaking of Nixon, there's another reason to impeach Gonzales. Though the assaults on the Constitution by Bush and Cheney surely rise to impeachable offenses, the Democratic leadership has been loath to use the impeachment process. The fear is that partisan polarization, so close to the end of Bush's term, would overshadow the issues......


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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:54 PM
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4.  Meh, let him stay.
1) Whoever replaces him will be just as bad, if not worse.

2) The longer he stays in office, the worse they look.

Therefore, it benefits us for him to stay in office, while things only stay the same or get worse if he goes.

I grant you, it's a terribly Machiavellian way of looking at the situation — one could certainly argue that the man should be removed for ethical reasons, regardless of the cost-benefit analysis — but I'm just saying it for what it's worth.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:57 PM
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5. Thom Hartmann is explaining this today.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 12:58 PM
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6. Just MORE bushco defiance at ALL of Congress............
bush needs gonzo, his right hand man, to help with all the cover ups and continue the obstruction of justice.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:06 PM
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7. I don't think that
incompetency, mismanagement, or just plain stupidity are grounds for impeachment.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:15 PM
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9. In terms of 'grounds' ..... a bad haircut is sufficient grounds ......
...... Impeachment is a *purely* political process, not, legal one.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:10 PM
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8. Gawd, NO!!! The longer Fredo stays around, soiling the nest and fanning the smell...
...the sooner we'll end up with impeachments (and, hopefully, removal from office and indictments,) of the jerks who hired Fredo.

Keep him on! The more times * expresses "full confidence" in this guy, the more GOPpies are gonna start muttering among themselves about maybe it's time to appoint a successor to Goldwater & Co., and "pay a call" on the WH.

hopefully,
Bright
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 02:18 PM
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10. Why bother impeaching Gonzales...
If we don't have the balls to impeach the Chimp?
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