HELP: Does anyone have the roll call vote on the House rule that enabled the war funding vote?

[jgraz]

I've been looking all over house.gov and I can't find the rule vote that Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters supposedly voted against. Both of them say that they were part of the tiny Dem minority that voted against the rule, yet I can find no roll call vote where they vote no (until the final bill, that is).

Can anyone help me out here?

[babylonsister]

1. Here you go:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll425.xml

[jgraz]

2. Thanks, but that's the actual vote on the funding

The Dems pulled a fast one when they voted on the rule to bring the bill to the floor. I want to see which of the Dems voted to allow this up-or-down vote on the blank check. That vote seems to be missing from the record.

[babylonsister]

3. Would it be this? If not, can you give me a date?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll333.xml

[jgraz]

4. YES! It was much earlier than I thought

Thanks! :toast:

They really hid that well. This means the collapse actually started well before May 10th. :grr:

[onenote]

6. that was a different version of the bill

The May 10 vote was on the rule and, ultimately passage, of a bill that would've withheld funding until chimpy provided progress reports. That bill passed the House, but faced with another veto threat from chimpy, the Senate amended it. It was the Senate version that then came back to the House and was the subject of the "rule" adopted May 24.

Nothing hidden from what I see.

[jgraz]

7. Except both Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters are saying they voted against the rule

Are they again trying to have it both ways? I'm so tired of these bullshit games...

[onenote]

8. Even when it came to rule on the May 10 vote, Lee voted for

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll326.xml

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll327.xml

Lee and Waters both voted for the motion to call the question on the rule. Lee also vote for the rule itself, and Waters didn't vote.

[jgraz]

9. On 333, she voted NO

At this point, I have no idea what was going on.

[onenote]

10. Vote number 333 was on final passage of the "middle" funding proposal

The House considered and passed three separate funding bills over a several week period.

The first bill, passed in late April, approved funding with a timetable for withdrawing troops. It was also approved by the Senate, sent to the white house where it was vetoed. The House then failed to override the veto in early May.

Next, the House passed a new bill (on May 10) that provided for funding without a timetable for withdrawal, but only would have released half of the requested money initially. Specifically, the bill would have withheld $52.8 billion until late July, after chimpy submitted required progress reports. Chimpy had made clear that he would veto this bill and the Senate leadership was not on board with this approach.

That led to the third House vote (on May 24). First, the Senate took up the House's second bill and passed it with an amendment that stripped out the delay in providing full funding. The bill then returned to the House where it was passed with additional amendments, finally returning to the Senate for final approval before going to the white house.

[jgraz]

11. Thanks! This is a level of wonkiness I've never attempted before

:toast:

[onenote]

5. This is what you are looking for, I think

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll417.xml

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll418.xml

Note that Barbara Lee did not vote against either of these motions and Waters voted against the second, but not the first. The first was to call the question -- ie call for a vote on the rule. The second was a vote on the rule itself. The Democrats voting against calling the question were Stark, Kucinich, Clay and Moran. On the rule itself, the Democrats voting against were Stark, Kucinich, Clay, Waters, Harman, Moore, and McNerney.

I'm curious why this vote on the rule would be considered "pulling a fast one". It was an open, recorded vote. And the vote on the final adoption of the bill itself was also an open recorded vote.