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Fri Feb-13-04 07:40 PM
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Sorry about the purging business |
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Maybe my approach was off. I guess I was off base. Sorry if I offended anyone. At least I got your blood pressure going. :toast: I would defend you all against the pukes and I would be honored to be at your side while we beat Bush.
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2. You're the best Bleachers! |
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Fri Feb-13-04 07:45 PM
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4. Thanks for your apology. |
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Edited on Fri Feb-13-04 07:46 PM by library_max
And the expressions of friendship. I started a thread partly in response to the purge thread, "A Question for Kerry Supporters and a Question for Kerry Detractors." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=329730 Maybe it's another approach to what you were trying to do.
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Fri Feb-13-04 07:45 PM
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5. It's okay...nobody listens to you anyways |
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It's as if it never happened.
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You'll have to do a lot of binging to make up for that post:
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Fri Feb-13-04 07:51 PM
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I just got an email of your purge post from a friend in Michigan who got that post forwarded from Howard Dean supporters in Georgia.
You made quite a splash there pal.
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Fri Feb-13-04 08:19 PM
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I would love to own up to it.
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16. I have had made a splash before. |
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So far the biggest splash was when I made Limbaughs show. Is it posted somewhere on the web?
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53. Maybe you should hear the quote. |
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Fri Feb-13-04 07:56 PM
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I don't know why, but I'm sure you deserve it. :D
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9. So we won't get to see Siberia?.... |
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lets you know your still alive right? :)
Not to worry, the BFEE make us say strange things sometimes. I am sure most all DU'ers will pardon you.
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Fri Feb-13-04 08:43 PM
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13. Sorry if you were offended. |
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Fri Feb-13-04 08:46 PM
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too directly for a message board. But really I though you were spot on, from my perspective at least! :loveya: Bleachers!
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Fri Feb-13-04 08:47 PM
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If that's spot on, may I suggest a big Kerry you.
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I believe that Bleachers was trying to point out how we must unify or we will disintegrate. If some want to destroy the Dem Party then maybe it's time for them to leave. That makes sense to me. I certainly don't want you or any other Dem to leave the party, but get real. How can we defeat * if we are constantly undermining our, presumptive, nominee. Yes, there's still a snowball's chance in hell of Kerry not getting the nom, but I'm talking about probabilities.
We're all in this together (I HOPE) and will support the Dem nominee with the ultimate air of defeating the *. * is a bad as it gets, right?, and we have to get him out, right? I'm really believing that Kerry can do this, and that's a very good thing! I've had to go through a painful loss and transition when Clark dropped out, but he wants us to move on. I dearly love the General and Gert and believe that they and we Dems in general are on our way to rescuing this country from the jaws of death. Please, let us all stand together. :hug:
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Purge the big tent into a pup tent.
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34. My post flew right past you, did it. |
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those with differing opinions are no longer welcome in the party, we are to be purged, or at least that's what ol'Bleachers wants.
I will not unify behind *Kerry*, BUSH-LITE!
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It had nothing to do with Policy or positions on issues. It had everything to do with Drudge and Democratic candidates.
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Interesting response. That's what I received in three different emails.
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either in 2004 or any other future time, but is not the one you want to win in the GE, then you'll vote against him/her? If this is true then yes, I'd think you'd be better served by declaring yourself an Independent.
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that he would prefer Bush to Kerry because there is no difference.
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Iraq, NCLB, Campaign Finance, Medicare,...
On the things that really matter to me there isn't much of a differnce.
Should I vote for Zell just becuase there's a D next to his name?
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In a senate race or anything else other than the presidency, have fun. The GE is just way to important to make a stand. I see it as life and death.
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Zell without the endorsement> Bush?
I'm a Democrat but I won't vote for anything with a D next to it.
Would you vote for Traficant or Torecelli for president?
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ABB I guess. But realistically they would never get that far and Kerry is not like those 3 guys.
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His war vote was just craven. Good Americans died, mind you.
Traitors are worse than enemies. The wound strikes deeper.
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And I am still not a full blown Kerry supporter. I argued against all that crap here on DU. But, Kerry has one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Kerry will help us with judges which we desperately need. And Kerry is right on a lot of issues too.
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"When given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat acting like a Republican the voters will always choose the real thing"
Kerry won't be able to do anything but lessen the loss until another Bush arises.
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:puke:
Ahhh, that feels better.
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He wasted it on many here it seems. :thumbsdown:
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Apologies are meaningless platitudes that only serve to make the one presenting the apology feel better.
Forgiveness must be earned. I see no reason to forgive the purge post.
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76. Well, don't hold your breath waiting for me to EARN your forgiveness |
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83. Well you weren't the one apologizing |
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for making a post that is now all over the internet in emails.
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89. All over the internet in e-mails??????????????? |
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205. I believe some people were already so hard of heart |
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It does not detract from the sincerity of the apology, or the meaning of the gesture.
Bleachers, good on you.
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82. And DU posts aren't meaningless platitudes? |
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14. You are one of the best, Hedda_foil! |
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I received three copies of that post via email from three different people who do not know each other but know me. All three people know I hang out on DU and were amazed such a thing would be posted on an allegedly Democratic web site. None of the three have spent more than a few minutes here, and now none of the three will ever spend time here.
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Like I said, I was wrong. Sorry Is it linked on the web?
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25. Clear text in the body of an email n/t |
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Actually I got the word "purge" from them |
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But I was prompted by a DUer here. A certain DUer was going off on Kerry with the Drudge stuff. He was going at it relentlessly. I was getting frustrated with someone speculating with lies. I was not talking about voters.
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41. what if the lies turn out to be true----what then? |
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47. I have said somewhere on here |
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:39 PM
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108. I've made appeals in ATA |
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to 'purge' DU of Drudge type *reading materials* .. The decision of admin has been to trust us to use 'responsibly'. Maybe we need a reminder, don't Drudge and Drive.
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20. I appreciate the apology |
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26. your apology is NOT accepted.... |
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and you wonder why Dean supporters don't like the Democratic Party? The Democratic Party I once knew was inclusive of all its members, and did not recommend any fucking "purgings"----the Democratic Party you espouse is a fascist, intolerant party.
That IS not my Democratic Party.....
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Fri Feb-13-04 08:58 PM
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32. I thought this was FreeRepublic? |
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And these types of posts are the best part of that place. Where else could I be threatened with purgation?
To Bleachers: Karl Rove thanks you!
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I never used Dean's name once in there.
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I used the word a different way. The word itself meant something, but I had not read the whole article. I thought it was a good word to express how I felt.
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Hard to tell, considering the person seems pretty happy about making the news and the rounds on the net.
Looks like the thread was deleted, I only saw the first parts of it. Enough that I went to lunch instead of post. The originator should have probably done the same. Too late now.
Sibera would be too good.... how about a spider hole???
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that I have no idea what your post said, but your apology seemed very sincere to me. :hug:
You've also tried to explain what you were trying to say, apologizing over and over as you're explaining. Geez. I don't know what else you can do! :shrug:
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So Dean and his army is irrelevant.
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63. Guess we're just a mean bunch of S.O.B.s |
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:24 PM
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Let me give you a situation--
When teaching I have 3 simple rules for my students.
The Three R's
Rational Thought Respect for other peoples opinions Responsibility for one's actions or lack thereof.
Your post and now this one apologizing broke all three of those rules in one way or another. Intended or no-- an apology does not suffice for many. You'll just have to accept the responsibility and the ramifications.
It's part of life and we all have to grow up and realize that we don't get "do overs" when we want.
The internet might be "the ether" but you're dealing with human beings all the same. We all have little if any clue about what people are dealing with on a day to day basis-- we all come here in support of various candidates and many take the process quite seriously.
The purging thread was quite wrong. The apology thread might be accepted by some and rejected by others.
You will just have to live with that. It's called life.
I, for one, do not accept your apology. I do not think you even begin to understand the effects of the thread on many people.
This is not a game or a competition.
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84. I agree completely, but I believe you did not intend to direct this... |
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:33 PM
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So sorry about that--wish I knew how to move it.
Damn technology...*goes back to shack to write manifesto*
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This primary season has all of us a bit high-strung. Many of us have experienced the occasional brainfart and posted extreme views which, in retrospect, we might have wanted to present differently or even not at all.
I'm willing to take Bleacher's apology at face value.
Maybe it might be a good idea to take a step back while emotions may still be a little bit volatile over the subject? Just a thought.
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102. Does this threaten you? |
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This party needs to stand for something. It needs to grow. It needs to be focused on serving the American people. It needs to concentrate on winning elections. And most of all, it needs to be united.
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109. You know winning isn't everything, this isn't a game. |
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Howard is about standing for somethings, growing the party and focusing on people not lobbyists.
United behind who?
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127. No, he can do as he wants. We aren't blind followers. |
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He's got no choice but to do it, we do have a choice.
On to 08!
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141. What if a Dem is up for reelection in '08? |
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164. And exact;u WHY does he have NO choice? |
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I thought Howard was the personification of an independent outsider? Or is he something else entirely?
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Howard has too, we want Bush out too. However, the foor soldiers are not in the same position, we can move as we please without utterly damning the nominee. We aren't cultists you know.
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Get your vocabulary straight ok? You apologize but then you dig a deeper hole.
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The feelings were pretty apparent behind the original "purge" post. I'm willing to entertain the notion that Bleachers was feeling an immense amount of frustration and blew his top. What we say in a pique of anger is not always what we would say after having had time to give more deliberate consideration to an idea.
A segment of the progressive wing of the party is feeling betrayed by the party itself for a variety of reasons. And a large segment of the party is feeling betrayed by elements within the progressive wing due to their refusal to get in line like good little soldiers. That mutual sense of betrayal IS something which will have to be worked out for the party to survive, and it isn't surprising some of the first exchanges to directly address the subject are volatile and extreme. The sense of betrayal inspires powerful emotions.
The issue does need to be addressed in some context. I'm suggesting that maybe people are still a little too close to it after the earlier post....it might be beneficial to take a step back, take a few deep breaths and then try and address the topic constructively instead of just being mad at each other.
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I can't believe someone extended an apology for a wrong they felt they perpetuated, and some people can't accept it.
I think alot of people need to read up on Mohandes Gandhi
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90. Hitler says, I'm sorry and the Jews accept, correct? |
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read about Gandhi
I don't believe in god, but you should read about Jesus Christ too.
forgiveness is and should be absolute, if it is asked for it should be granted.
I can't believe I have to state this on a liberal BBS
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you aren't...you aren't under any obligation to be morally correct either.
To treat other humans in the best manner possible...as you want treated yourself...if you forgive yourself for things you upset yourself with, you owe it to your fellow humans to do the same with them
it is just a matter of treating people like you are supposed to, you aren't obligated to do it, but it is still correct to do so.
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I don't have to either.
I support the death penalty. I believe murderers get what they deserve when a needle is stuck in their arm and they deserve no forgiveness.
I believe somebody had better be contrite when apologizing, or else they have no chance of me accepting their apology.
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I don't respect that viewpoint
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167. doesn't matter, as long as you are on the correct side of an issue |
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naa na naa na naa naa, you are still wrong
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I thin you're wrong and I think Ghandi was wrong on many things.
Malcom X had the right idea about many things. If a man pushes me, I punch. If he pulls a knife, I pull a gun.
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180. You've convinced me. This works much better with my inner nature as well |
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fuck violence and the pain it creates...fuck the world that say's war and violence is the way it has to be.
we are an immature species...we truly are
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185. They are searching for truth. They just don't see eye to eye with you |
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those of us enlightened know...sadly it is only a small precentage of society
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This is a violent and dangerous world we live in. Homo Sapiens has yet to evolve into an intelligent species.
Accepting reality is all we can do.
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idealism is a higher plane
exist in it and the world may live longer
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Idealism is dreaming.
WAKE UP!!!
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193. i'm sorry you don't want a better world |
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Every attempt at establishing it has failed miserably. It goes against basic human nature.
Homo Sapiens is imperfect and as such, is a violent race. There can be no better world so long as one among us is violent. All there can be is survival.
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a swift and often painful death.
One must react to the reality of the world one finds oneself thrust into. The world is a violent and scary place. If one reacts to violence against oneself with naught but sitting down, that one is described by a single word.
Victim.
I own a gun. I have defended myself, both unarmed and armed, on many occasions. I am not afraid to take another man's life if that man is threatening my life with violence. That is the reality of this world.
Police and laws can only be reactionary forces. knowing how to defend oneself and being prepared to kill if necessary in order to survive is a proactive approach to a violent world.
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is the opposite of what you posted
I would rather die than have the blood of another on my hands
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I would kill without hesitation if I found myself in a kill or be killed situation. I would kill without hesitation if I was in a situation where another man was directly threatening my wife's life.
I would have no remorse whatsoever. I would be doing what is necessary. The choice would not be mine, it would be the man threatening me or mine.
Edited to add: Maybe my military training is coming through here, but this is how one must react to violence.
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Seriously, in a kill or be killed situation, I fear ou would be a victim rather than a survivor.
There is but one meaning to life, survival.
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You say you would die to save my life. What if this were the situation.
Another man is about to kill me, you can stop him from killing me. All you have to do is kill him. Would you kill to save my life?
Personally, I'd rather know somebody willing to kill to protect my life than die to protect my life. It takes real courage to be able to kill.
Patton spoke a unique truth to his troops:
"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Patton was brilliant in his honesty about combat.
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I understand that maybe this is somewhat naive of me...maybe it would change.
I don't have respect for Patton...he was a Militaristic animal
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He was a brilliant srategist and singlehandedly saved more lives in World War II than any other man because of his brilliance. Had he not done what was considered impossible in the winter of '44, thousands upon thousands of American lives would have been lost.
Should we have just rolled over and accepted Hitler? Hitler is the perfect representation of the evil that exists in this world. The Pattons of the world are required because there are Hitlers in the world.
No amount of idealism will ever alter that simple fact.
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and Patton was great at it
that makes him a big asshole in my eyes
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208. So it was wrong to take out Hitler? |
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Man, that's pretty messed up if you ask me!
War is necessary. World War II was a righteous war.
Korea was wrong.
Vietnam was wrong.
The Gulf Wars were and are wrong.
World War II was 100% necessary as was Patton.
Without Patton, we'd REALLY be living under a Nazi regime today.
I cannot respect anybody who cannot respect that simple truth.
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I think World War Two is what happened because of World War One...out of the faults of all nations...we were responsible for Hitler...our citizens financed him...War resulted, I am not going to get into the argument about whether it was necessary or just
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but I don't believe it is good reason to not accept an apology
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apology after three seperate attempts to apologize then the guilt is transferred. I think that the issue here is way to hot to touch at this point and I can completely understand those not willing to accept the apology yet.
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look, you are right, there isn't
but it is still wrong to not accept apologies
just like violence is always wrong, all apologies should be accepted...I am sorry you aren't aware of this
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142. well, generally treating people bad is wrong |
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but everyday I find people disagreeing with me
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149. Refusing to accept an apology is not treating somebody bad |
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It is exercising my rights.
If somebody murdered my wife and was on the gurney just about to get a needle in the arm was to apologize, I would proudly and loudly state, "I will not accept your apology you murderous bastard now take the punishment you deserve!"
Nobody is under any obligation to accept any apology. The existance of the apology indicates the one making the apology wronged the person or persons being apologized to. I do not have to forgive somebody for their wrongdoing.
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Especially if they feel that the apology is insincere.
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ergo, I am not only under no moral obligation to forgive and accept an apology, I am also under no religious obligation to forgive and accept an apology.
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it is a simple matter of treating human beings correctly...and accepting apologies is part of it
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151. No, accepting apologies is not a part of it. |
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There is no reason to accept an apology if you cannot.I refuse to accept this apology, especially since I do not consider it sincere.
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being able to accept apologies means you have to be able to open your heart
anything less is a form of revenge, and we all know revenge is wrong
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Revenge would be me taking a hammer to somebody over words.
I'm no Christian nor am I a follower of Ghandi. If attacked violently I will fight back and I will put another man down if I feel threatened enough by that man.
I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I live by the reality of the world I live in.
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B. your "message" is incorrect whether I like it or not
it's right and wrong and you can only be on one side of it
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That's a major sign of weakness of character, IMO.
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I suppose this is more fun than watching tv
so for that I thank you
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182. what kind of cookie would you like? |
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you advocate violence and revenge...I don't care what you value as right and wrong anymore
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191. I advocate defending myself and my family |
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I advocate recognizing those who would do harm to me and mine and eliminating those threats.
I advocate reality rather than hopeless dreams.
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I think that is a surface analysis type of philosophy
truth is obvoiusly a bit deeper than that
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196. Your "truth" depends upon everybody believing as you |
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Sounds pretty false to me.
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I have stated all I want to say on the matter.
my argument remains intact
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144. yeah. I have to agree. |
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Especially considering the nature of this apology
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:36 PM
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When the apology is heartfelt.
The "my bad" quality shows to me that it was not.
It appears that many feel that this is a game. It isn't.
Gandhi was principled and stuck to said principles. They were well thought out offered up.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:37 PM
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106. I guess it is a philosophy difference |
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since i believe those principles to be correct I live up to them.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:41 PM
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112. No real difference really |
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But to bring Gandhi into this situation is not relevant.
To accept the apology and move on would be to ignore the issues that were raised by the offending thread.
This is not the time to "sweep things under the carpet"
We cannot afford to have folks discuss such vile things as "purging a party" and then go--sorry, my bad. Bygones?
And again. The initial post of this thread...not an apology to begin with.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:44 PM
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117. I see a big difference |
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and I see the Gandhi reference for what it is...accept apologies 100%, for all reasons...because it is fair and right, and we should always resist human impulses that force us to lose touch with our inner knowledge of right and wrong
we know we shouldn't be mean and angry with each other
why allow ourselves to do it if we know it isn't right?
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So you accept apologies--but then you ignore all else?
Sorry--I think there is mix up in interpreting both Gandhi and his actions and words here. I'll agree to disagree on this however.
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154. OhioStateProgressive |
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You're inspiring me to go read more in-depth about Gandhi this weekend.
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Ghandi was a man for all to learn from.
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95. I thought I was the only one! I got an e-mail too! |
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I had already read this for myself on here, and a friend sent me an e-mail this afternoon with the original post (cut & paste). She asked me how I liked being a "pariah of the party"??? Much to my dismay, I could see she had copied it to at least 15 other people we know - ugh...
Let me mention - she's a Republican. She thinks I am in the wrong party (kinda feels that way too).
I had no idea that other people were getting the same thing!
The collective bum's rush, heard 'round the world.
Nice work.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:35 PM
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98. really? this is precisely we cannot accept this apology from |
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the same author of that post that is now making its way around the world to Dean supporters, showing them how much their Democratic Party does not want them.....
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:42 PM
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114. I'm sorry, I didn't know I was Terry McAuliffe |
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Geez, how much power and influence do I have?
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:49 PM
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132. apparently you had some influence because that post you made |
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is now going around the world in e-mails. Aren't you proud?
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I am not sure if I am proud. If it makes people think in a positive way, that's good. I have a feeling that isn't the case and it is unfortunate. I am sorry if I have upset or hurt anyones feelings. I hope we all stand together to challenge Bush.
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121. yes, & I hate talking about Dem party stuff w/Repubs! |
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Made me feel like a complete ass. Felt like I had to justify why I am a Dem for only the 1000th time. Not to mention, some of these folks I was actively working to get them to our precinct convention (the people she forwarded to).
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of the thread before it was zapped from existence. But I did read the original post. This is being way OVERBLOWN folks. While the writer of the post chose some words badly, the post was about unity to beat bush. The writer suggested that some people who were in the party don't belong. SHIT that gets suggested around here at least 10 times a week in various posts. And I didn't see where any specific group was talked about other than thsoe who refuse to vote for the nominee, who by definition have already excluded themselves. So maybe I am missing something?
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:43 PM
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115. Here is what EarlG had to say in ATA |
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"That thread was awful, and I mean almost every single post in that thread.
"Purging" the Democratic party? Cheering Matt Drudge?
The thread has been deleted.
And by the way, please keep your personal flame wars out of this forum."
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:45 PM
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120. Yes I saw that, so it was other posts too i guess |
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not just the original that was so offensive?
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123. A huge number of those posts supported the original |
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ever ever cheered Mat Drudge. I said this:
Third, any "Democrat" that enjoys repeating media lies (like Kerry's special interest charge) or uses baseless information from guys like Drudge needs to go. It is not appropriate to enjoy using baseless smears.
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129. So you apoloogize, but maintain that your position was correct. |
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I've considered this apology. I reject your apology.
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I no longer agree with the full content of that post. Here is what I agree with:
Third, any "Democrat" that enjoys repeating media lies (like Kerry's special interest charge) or uses baseless information from guys like Drudge is wrong. It is not appropriate to enjoy using baseless smears.
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We just differ on the issue of whether it was overblown or not or whether the apology was actually an apology.
I wonder if folks realize the effect the initial thread had on some? I mean--have they actually tried to think about it--or is this whole board just some outlet for impulsive thoughts? If folks think they can just spout off and then pull and "etch a sketch" move and make things better, we're in for a hard year.
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but you should have seen the constant threads about how Drudge is right or probably right. Kerry is a philanderer and whatever else. I said this:
Third, any "Democrat" that enjoys repeating media lies (like Kerry's special interest charge) or uses baseless information from guys like Drudge needs to go. It is not appropriate to enjoy using baseless smears.
I said that Drudge was unacceptable. That's partly what set me off.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:49 PM
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133. But Drudge IS RIGHT. |
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right IS left. I get it now.
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If this post was directed to mine--
Then I am sorry too, but I cannot accept your apology. Your initial post in this thread does not reflect that you realize the ramifications of your actions. In other words--no remorse or reflection showed up there.
No--I don't want some long winded apology-I would not be so presumptious.
I just wanted to point out to you and others that folks need to think long and hard before they start acting impulsively.
We all need to reflect a bit more.
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130. What I do not understand |
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is why any one individual or group felt targeted by the post, my recollection is it spoke in general terms about people who actively worked against getting the nominee elected. What did I miss?
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134. because it was clearly referring to the TNR article which spoke |
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of the same "purging" of the Democratic Party by getting rid of Dean supporters.
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137. I referred to one word in an article I didn't read. |
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because that article spoke about purging the Democratic Party of Dean supporters.....and your post spoke of purging the party of those who did not clearly stand behind Kerry, thus implicitly referring to them as Dean supporters.
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152. Are you saying that Dean supporters will not support the nominee? |
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If that is something you know as fact then fine. I have seen supporters of many candidates here at DU upset about their candidates not winning. I am not TNR and I was not referring to any one crowd.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:59 PM
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153. Apologizing and then arguing your points |
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is NOT apologizing.
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I said that the word purge and the overall sentiment was off base. I still believe that Drudge is a bad source. That will never change.
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The word has a lot of impact on older people who remember the first time that word had international meaning, and, I think, most strongly on descendants of Russian immigrants.
You may or may not recall the use of the word 'purge' in the Stalinist Soviet Union, and what that means to people.
It's a word that pushes buttons for a lot of reasons.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:53 PM
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146. That's how I read it, now, too... |
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The message was about unity and fighting the common enemy.
I do think that people who still have a candidate in the race would read it differently than I do. I feel like a different person since Clark withdrew. None of the attacks faze me, and I know it's because I'm not emotionally invested anymore.
I can understand why the post would have offended, but I've read many things that have offended me here, especially when Clark was doing well. My blood boiled, but if one of those people had apologized--can't remember one doing so--I don't think I would have spit it back in their face. I just put them on ignore and ignored a few threads.
I just think that some people are more adversarial than others and aren't interested in forgiveness. I also think that many others, who would normally accept the apology and move on, have too high an emotional investment right now, and that just puts them on edge more. Oh well...
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Ok.
I'll just get over it. Move on. (If I had a nickel for every time that's been said.) What's next pictures of babies crying?
Offended by talk of purging then a half hearted apology and now told to move on.
Okey dokey. Baaaaaahhh. I'll move on.
*wonders where everyone's going...they just disappear up ahead..oops, cliff.*
Some folks were quite offended both by the initial thread and the remorseless "apology."
Guess what--some folks might have a point. Do only certain opions matter?
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Fri Feb-13-04 11:32 PM
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215. The point has been made *I think* |
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Is more outrage needed? At some point a discussion should make progress or be ended, it seems the since no progress is being made between the various positions that it is time for the second option. Just a suggestion.
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Fri Feb-13-04 11:39 PM
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217. I would agree in most cases |
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But this seems to be a pattern.
First: Bad thing goes down
Second: Told to move on.
Sometimes folks need to work to stop the cycle.
Too much was swept under the rug leading up to the 2000 election and soon thereafter.
Right now the rug is *bulging* and there just ain't room for more.
I agree that it's frustrating and tedious for some--but nothing worthwhile (i.e. a complete airing out of the situation) is easy.
I'm quite happy at the discussion to be completely honest. It has been interesting to see folks raise key points concerning the nature of the process, the nature of arguments, and the real power of words.
As long as folks don't get their knickers in a twist and take things personally then a healthy robust discussion of the issues is a good thing in my book.
I may disagree with some folks views and will state it--but I don't think these "opponents" are bad people. (woefully mistaken, as would be anyone who disagrees with me ;-) , but not bad.)
I've seen discussion of Gandhi, political discourse, the nature of apologies, etc discussed here-- if anything else--it's a healthy process for which the starting poster should be thanked.
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Nice post,
I also like discussion to continue even on *controversial* issues as long as we can all acknowledge the right to opinions and not get into simplistic repetitive arguments.
I do understand the issues raised here, disenfranchisement and so on. I have been trying to accept the end of my candidates campaign, and I was a true believer I guess you can say, so its been a bit painful to see it end. My vote on 3/2 cannot bring it back you know.
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Fri Feb-13-04 09:55 PM
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148. Thanks for the apology Bleachers7 |
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I am a Democrat. I am a Dean supporter. There is absolutely no contradiction between the two.
Let me share a few lines from an email I received from Glen Maxey, who is heading the Dean campaign in Texas, discussing the possibility that by the time our primary rolls around on March 9 the nomination will have been decided:
When and if that happens, we must move forward and do everything in our power to defeat George Bush. I don't need to lecture anyone on that point. If you think not voting, or walking away from this because Howard Dean is not the nominee, and leaving this repugnant, disastrous administration in office is wise, then in my opinion, you shouldn't have been here in the first place.
I agree 100 percent with that sentiment.
There's a lot that needs to be fixed in this party, there's even more that needs to be fixed in this country. Anyone who thinks that either task can be accomplished by first driving people away is committing suicide. Anyone who thinks that only one candidate is good enough to lead us into the promised land is just plain nuts.
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Fri Feb-13-04 10:14 PM
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doesn't sound the same taken out of context of the entire email. Mr. Maxey is not that harsh.
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216. That email as a whole |
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Discusses how he recommends Dean supporters here should act given the two possible scenarios: either we are still actually competitive; or we're not, in which case what's really important is how this great movement inspired by Howard Dean can continue past the primaries, past the convention and past November. But there is nothing in it that weakens his ABB sentiments that I have quoted.
I still think that Howard Dean is our best candidate for President. I am still talking to people, still winning some over to Dean. I am still reminding people that we are still in the race, still in second place. I am still contributing on a regular basis. On the morning of March 9 I am going to vote for Howard Dean and that evening I am going to caucus for him. But come November 2, if the name on the ballot happens to be John Kerry or john Edwards or Dennis Kucinich I will vote for him. Just like Howard Dean will.
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