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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:21 AM
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Does anyone know Hillary's position on pardoning Scooter Libby?
Obama has issued a statement Prominent Hillary supporters like Susan Estrich and Carville are calling for Libby's pardon. After all, he did represent Marc Rich's, who Clinton pardoned.

In fact, I'm still unsure about Hillary on a lot of things. The only thing I'm certain of is that she has a lot of endorsements.

I still don't know where she stands on Iraq. Yes, better than Bush, but she voted against funding to send a strong message. Is she willing to co-sponsor a timetable or Feingold's bill?

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:24 AM
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1. Well, Libby Helped Marc Rich To Bribe Her Hubby For A Pardon
So there might be some sympathy.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:26 AM
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4. That was mentioned in the OP. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:33 AM
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7. Libby bribed Clinton?
Got the links? The Clintons are susceptible to bribes?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 03:38 AM
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16. I think you know thats not true..
From the link you posted about Rich, you also know this:

"During hearings after Rich's pardon, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, who had represented Rich from 1985 until the spring of 2000, denied that Rich had violated the tax laws, but criticized him for trading with Iran at a time when that country was holding U.S. hostages. In his letter to the New York Times, Bill Clinton explained why he pardoned Rich, noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center concluded that no crime was committed, and that the companies' tax reporting position was reasonable.

In your desperation to run cover for the Obama scandal, you're deliberately flinging false inflammatory, outlandish, statements in a vain attempt to divert attention away from the huge storm cloud forming over Obama's eligibility as a viable presidential candidate. Rather than looking for a hook smearing the Clintons; and since you are looking for a way to defend Obama; you can begin here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3316428#3317988

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 07:38 AM
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18. Are you serious?
Bill Clinton explained why he pardoned Rich, noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center concluded that no crime was committed...


Having taught law for more years than I want to count anymore, and criminal law in particular, I know all the arguments about how the rule of law depends on everyone telling the truth, cooperating with criminal investigations, not trying to protect their bosses or those around them. I understand that people in high places have as much responsibility, or more, than the rest of us to follow the law and give their evidence, and that when they don't, their years of public service are no excuse...

The only problem here is that there was no underlying crime. -- Susan Estrich on Libby


The Rich pardon is a bad precedent. It appears to set a double standard for the wealthy and powerful. And it is an end run around the judicial process.

Under the current system, the President is allowed to make bad judgments that all of us disagree with when issuing pardons. That’s how the system works. For example, questions were raised when, just before leaving office in 1993, President Bush pardoned Aslam Adam, a Pakistani individual who had been convicted of conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute $1 million worth of heroin. Both the prosecutor and judge who sentenced Mr. Adam reportedly did not want him freed.

Questions were also raised when, on December 24, 1992, President Bush pardoned former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Mr. Weinberger was being investigated by Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh regarding the Iran-Contra matter, and was scheduled for trial on January 5, 1993. Independent Counsel Walsh called the pardon “terrible” and “grossly wrong.”

And when a President makes a bad judgment -- whether it is former President Bush or former President Clinton -- it is appropriate for us in Congress to raise questions and express our views.

Hery Waxman


Btw, I could not care less about Obama. He has no experience and it's showing.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:25 AM
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2. What an interesting bit of slime.
Guilt by association. A completely unnecessary statement from Obama. And the Rich pardon. My, my, my.

Now who would your candidate be, I wonder.

Obama will be destroyed by his supporters.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:37 AM
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8. Obama's statement wasn't unnecessary. It was prompted
by a commentary for his misguided general counsel.

Is there something wrong with asking Hillary's position?

The question is being asked of a lot of people, and given the connections in the OP, why shouldn't her position be known?
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:25 AM
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3. I don't believe she's said anything about her position on Libby. n/t
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:28 AM
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5. I assume she's against it
It would certainly be dumb as hell for her to support a pardon.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:31 AM
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6. You don't get what they're implying.
I have the oddest suspicion that they want us to believe that Bush won't pardon Libby because Hillary WILL.

Now, I can respect a smear laid that deep. Kudos.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:38 AM
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9. Oh nonsense! Do you know her position or not? n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:14 AM
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13. I Need a Tinfoil Hat After That Thought!
If BushCo were going to cut a deal on pardons with Clinton, I think they would save it for the big one: the Idiot in Chief himself, plus a promise not to turn him into the International Criminal Court. I fully expect Dick has Cheneyed himself by starting the whole Plame fiasco, and so he has no pull left with Bush, and certainly not with Clintons, and will be tossed to the wolves, if he's still alive and anyone asks for him.

It doesn't seem credible that Hillary would soil herself for Libby. Still, she's done dumber things.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:42 AM
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10. we don't know her postion on anything. she has produced nothing
no policy or where she stands or what her solutions are to anything let along libby.
She has not put out any proposals. So, while we are asking i am asking where is it and when is she going to finally produce something. or is she just an empty suit.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:48 AM
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14. Laughable...
:rofl:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 06:05 AM
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17. my thoughts exactly -- she will wait a bit to see which way the wind blows
--then come up with something sort of, kind of, one way or the other, kind of ...
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:52 AM
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11. Very fair question....I remember she did not object to Bill's pardons
So isn't it hypocritical to be against a Bush Pardon?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:02 AM
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12. She was in no position to object.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:49 AM
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15. Pretzel logic.. from team Obama..
:rofl:
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 01:56 AM
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19. Did we ever get an answer to this question?
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