Joe Biden Speaks Out on Protecting America!

[Like It Is]

SENATOR BIDEN UNVEILS PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH AMERICA’S MOST IMPORTANT MISSION
Published: 07/20/2007


Biden Plan To Defeat Al Qaeda And The Terrorist Threat

Wilmington, DE – On the heels of a recent report that Al Qaeda has regained it's strength since 9/11 and two days before the third anniversary of the unveiling of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission's recommendations, Senator Joe Biden discussed his plan to make America safe and secure. At a press conference in Davenport, Iowa, he unveiled a detailed 10 point plan to accomplish America's most important mission: defeating Al Qaeda and the terrorist threat.

"The Bush administration has failed to accomplish its most important mission: defeating Al Qaeda and protecting the country from terrorism," Senator Biden said. "Al Qaeda is back and determined to strike again and the recommendations of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission continue to be ignored by the Bush White House," said Sen. Biden. "To make America safe and secure in the 21st century, we need to refocus our resources, energy and power on defeating Al Qaeda. We must end the war in Iraq, finish the job in Afghanistan, secure loose weapons around the world, redouble our diplomatic efforts and immediately make our homeland security efforts a national priority."

Biden Plan To Accomplish America's Most Important Mission:

DEFEATING AL QAEDA AND THE TERRORIST THREAT


The Bush administration has failed to accomplish its most important mission: defeating Al Qaeda and protecting America from the threat of terrorism. Six years after 9/11, Al Qaeda has "regenerated" and is "better positioned to strike the West" according to our intelligence agencies. Senator Biden has a detailed plan to refocus our resources, energy and power on defeating Al Qaeda and making sure the world's most dangerous groups do not get their hands on its most lethal weapons.

1) End the war in Iraq.

2) Finish the job in Afghanistan.

3) Insist that Pakistan take out the Al Qaeda leaders who’ve found refuge on its border with Afghanistan.

4) Make it a presidential priority to secure loose weapons of mass destruction in the former Soviet Union and beyond.

5) Build effective alliances and international organizations.

6) Advance freedom and progress by developing democratic institutions in the Middle East and beyond.

7) Compete and prevail in the war of ideas.

8) End our dependence on the "axis of oil."

9) Make our last line of defense – homeland security – our best line of defense by fully implementing the 9/11 Commission recommendations.

10) Pay for it by ending the war in Iraq, putting part of the Bush tax cut for millionaires into a homeland security trust fund and cutting Star Wars.

[saltpoint]

1. It's Sunday afternoon at the home ball park and the ace of the

Foreign Policy Experts, Joe Biden, is warmed up and ready for the first pitch.

Were he to win our nomination, I pity the Republican who has to debate Joe Biden on just about anything generally and on foreign politcy especially.

Biden would bludgeon any of the Republican candidates on foreign policy.

I believe Biden's numbers will steadily rise as summer becomes fall, and that he will be a major contender for the nomination.

[jillan]

2. That's what I love about you Old Crusoe -

even tho he's not your candidate, you are always the first to
praise him.

thank you!!!!!

[saltpoint]

3. Hi, pirhana. Well, hells bells -- I learned how to be a Democrat in

part because of some of Joe Biden's work in the Congress.

He's a long-time expert on foreign policy, and Christ knows we HAVE to have some common sense and insight in our foreign policy with the next president.

Biden's brain on this is the biggest in Washington and one of the very best.

Hope you're doin' well.

[lyonn]

4. Biden is praise worthy

He has something to say and says it. You can never be sure how he will approach a subject, they are not "pat" speeches. One can hope he is as sincere as he appears.

[MiserableFailure]

10. hardly

biden is a racist

[Jillian]

15. What? Biden is far from being a racist!

I have heard him being called alot of things before, but racist is a first.

[MiserableFailure]

16. Let's see:

""I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Joe Biden talking about Obama

What about Shirley Chisholm and Carol Moseley-Braun?

[Jillian]

17. His comments about Obama was just Biden being stupid

I support him, but I will be the first to admit that he is good at saying stupid things.

You don't really think he was calling other African-Americans dirty, or do you?

[Like It Is]

36. Biden wasn't being stupid.

He just misspoke, or more likely was misinterpreted. By clean, he meant honest. Clean is often used as a pseudonym for Honest. Dirty for Dis-Honest.

[Jillian]

19. This is what Obama said about Biden's stupidspeak:

Obama, in a brief off-camera interview in a Senate hallway, said he thinks Biden "didn't intend to offend" anyone.

"He called me," Obama said. "I told him it wasn't necessary. We have got more important things to worry about. We have got Iraq. We have got health care. We have got energy. This is low on the list."

"He was very gracious and I have no problem with Joe Biden," Obama added.

Later on Wednesday, Obama, in a written statement, said "I didn't take Sen. Biden's comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate. African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate."
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and this from Rev Jesse Jackson:

African-American 1984 and 1988 Democratic Presidential candidate Jesse Jackson telephoned Biden and reported afterward "Senator Biden...assured me that he regrets that his remarks were misinterpreted. He was serious and contrite. To me, this was a gaffe, not a statement about his philosophy or ideology."<[br />http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/31/biden.obama/index.html

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Here is some of the legislation that Biden was involved in:
http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=252503&&
March 9, 2006
Press Release

Biden Joins National Black Leaders to Ensure Equal Rights for all Voters

WASHINGTON, DC -- At an event on Capitol Hill today, U.S. Senator Joseph R. Biden, Jr., joined several of the nation’s top African American leaders to raise awareness about the effort to renew the Voting Rights Act (VRA) of 1965, the landmark civil rights legislation that has broken down barriers to voting for minorities....
...“That’s why after all of these years, we must remain vigilant – Katrina has taught us that. We must continue to ensure diversity in our democracy and protect the rights of all Americans, irrespective of race, gender and national origin.”
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Voted YES on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women.
Vote to table, or kill, an amendment to repeal the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program, which requires no less than 10% of highway construction projects funded by the federal government to be contracted to 'disadvantaged business enterprises'
Reference: Bill S.1173 ; vote number 1998-23 on Mar 6, 1998
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Voted NO on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business.
This legislation would have abolished a program that helps businesses owned by women or minorities compete for federally funded transportation.
Status: Cloture Motion Rejected Y)48; N)52
Reference: Motion to invoke cloture; Bill S.1173 ; vote number 1997-275 on Oct 23, 1997
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In '95 he voted to keep Affirmative Action--

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And his biggest legislation was the Violence Against Women's Act - which is now law to protect women...of all colors.
http://endabuse.org/vawa/
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There's probably more I could dig up, but this topic is quite a surprise to me.
Biden has worked hard for all peoples rights. Many in his campaign staff are of different minorities.
I just don't see him as a racist. Says stupid stuff - yes, but racist - no....

[BeyondGeography]

60. I have no problem with Biden's comments on Obama

It does point to the larger issue of his being gaffe-prone and unreliable on the stump, but I like Biden. He doesn't have to impersonate a human being, he just is one.

[Like It Is]

69. It's not Biden, it's the Media!

No one thought that Biden said anything wrong till the stinking media twisted it all around. In my interpretation of the word CLEAN it can well mean HONEST, just like DIRTY can mean DISHONEST. I frequently use the words CLEAN and DIRTY in that manner.

[Like It Is]

20. The last time I checked.

The late Shirley Chisholm and Carol Moseley-Braun were ladies.

[MiserableFailure]

21. he added guy at the end

nt

[Like It Is]

45. You lost me?

[Like It Is]

54. He sees a racist behind every tree!

He accused me of being one!

[Like It Is]

89. You have a proper handle.

[Catchawave]

12. We're lucky to have O.C. on the DU :)

He keeps me sane here with his gift of seeing the best in all our Dem candidates.

[saltpoint]

18. Hi, Catchawave. The credit belongs to you and other DUers -- Pirhana

and about several hundred others who keep us all focused.

This is part of a web-wave of blue energy that I believe is going to put a Democratic ticket in the White House in November of 2008.

A lot has gone into building it up. And we're not done yet!

[Catchawave]

23. One of my favorite quotes...

especially after raising teenagers....comes in handy on DU also:

"That which doth not kill me, makes me stronger"

As always, you're right, hundreds of great people on DU, that's why I'm here :hi:

[saltpoint]

28. And thank god you are. And Jim Webb thanks you, as well.

[Like It Is]

98. I like him too. Talks sense not trash. n/t

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[butterfly77]

26. I agree...

even though he is not my candidate or any of the others, I am watching and waiting.

[Like It Is]

56. Well, we'll just have to work on you.

And convert you into a good Biden supporter. I think most people have not decided on a candidate yet.

[Blue_In_AK]

79. OC, I'm running into you all over the place tonight..

A pleasure. :pals: Somehow I missed this thread before.

[saltpoint]

85. The pleasure is mine, Blue_In_AK.

And that's standard-issue luck on my part to keep crossing the path of an astute DUer.

I think of your posts on these boards with all the pieces in the media lately on Ted Stevens. I'll appreciate anything you can do to dump Don and Lisa and Ted.

They've been gnawing at the founders' bones way too long and it's time to drag them out of the cemetery and into the asylum where they belong!

[calteacherguy]

95. Well, I just hope he doesn't keep advocating splitting Iraq into 3 parts.

Horrible foreign policy idea from Biden. In the end they may end up that way, but the U.S. should not advocate failure.

Any of our candidates are better than Biden in regards to Iraq.

[Jillian]

5. He is going to be coming out with more details over the next few weeks

:)

[Like It Is]

6. Don't forget the debates tomorrow!

I hope they ask the candidates what their plan for Iraq is. As far as I know Biden has the only one that makes sense.

http://www.planforiraq.com/

[Jillian]

7. I was watching CNN earlier, and they said there were alot of videos

submitted asking "Then What"? :)

Did you submit a video
I did. omg - it took me hours, I am such a dork when it comes to anything electronic.
Now I am trying to get my 17 to do a video, since 2008 is going to be her first election that she is going to get
to vote on.

[Like It Is]

9. I would have liked to!

I have a good digital camera, but I never do anything with it except take snapshots. By the way, how does one send an e-mail on DU?

[Like It Is]

11. Crybabies need not respond!

The small minded pettiness of some people is pathetic.

[Catchawave]

13. Just put them on ignore

a feature that makes life so much easier around here :hi: :toast: to Joe!

[Like It Is]

14. Thanks!

[Like It Is]

22. Don't forget the debates tonight!

On CNN.

[Like It Is]

24. Biden needs a couple of Home Runs!

He needs a real big debate again, I believe he has won everyone to date. I wish the contributors would take notice.

[Catchawave]

34. Biden did great !

They all did, I was even charmed by Mr. Crankypants Gravel :hi:

[Like It Is]

37. The part about Gravel was a stretch!

He's a bit too cantankerous!

[truebrit71]

25. Doesn't he have to go and pimp for MBNA pretty soon?

He hasn't voted to screw the consumer over on their behalf in a little while now....

:eyes:

[jberryhill]

27. "Their behalf"

Oh, you mean the largest employment sector in Delaware.

I was confused there for a minute.

[truebrit71]

30. Yeah, "their behalf" you know looking after "their" interests in re-writing the banckruptcy laws...

...you know "their behalf"...

:eyes:

[Like It Is]

33. Bankruptcy Vote!

74 Yea and 25 nay. Doesn't sound like Biden was alone!

[Like It Is]

29. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

The Senate vote on the Bankruptcy Bill was 74 Yea and 25 Nay. Hillary Clinton was absent, another Hillary cop out. Don't blame Biden!

[truebrit71]

31. Can't be a man of the people and fuck them over at the same time...

...btw, doesn't he have a speech to plagiarize?

[Like It Is]

32. What an outstanding vocabulary you possess.

You should go far. Far away I hope!

[Like It Is]

38. I Hope I can continue to comment on this thread!

I got locked out on my Biden/Hagel thread. I wish I knew what their problem was. It would be nice if they sent you an e-mail when they lock out your thread, and inform you what the complaint is. I surely don't know.

[ShortnFiery]

57. I concur truebrit71, Biden's one *heartless man* to the working class, IMO, he's just a windbag. nt

[draft_mario_cuomo]

78. So why is the banking industry lining up behind your candidate, not Biden?

Money from commercial banks

1) Obama $607,259
2) Clinton $492,725
3) McCain $479,085
4) Romney $451,771
5) Giuliani $416,901
6) Dodd $352,500
7) Edwards $131,876
8) Biden $102,250
9) Richardson $83,000

If Biden is so bad then what does that say about a guy who the banking industry is giving six times more?

[Like It Is]

80. They're not going to answer you, you have facts to back you up.

They only want to run their mouths about the Bankruptcy Bill and the Rave Act. they want to file bankruptcy, stop paying child support, dance all night and use ecstasy to get some strange. Real cool dudes. Biden stopped them cold and they hate him for it. That's why I like him.

[cbear70]

81. So tired of the bankruptcy rhetoric.

So tired of all the bashing of the bankruptcy bill. Our Democratic party has done some questionable things, all of them have in the past. None of them are perfect. We just can't wait for the perfect person. Hilary, Edwards, Obama, and including Biden.. but right now is what we are talking about. Quit talking about the past.

I for one love Biden. He is the most sincere I have seen, Edwards comes in next.

[Like It Is]

84. I'm tired of it too, but you have to confront it.

You can't let the dullards prevail.

[Like It Is]

35. Rupert Murdoch Shenanigans!

Direct TV's menu for CNN failed to list the Democratic Debate. It showed: The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer and Paula Zahn's Hour.

[Like It Is]

39. Did anyone else notice this?

I went to the internet and found the scheduled time.

[democratsin08]

40. biden is the best

but he has no chance.

[jillan]

41. Way too early to write him off.

Except for the gun lovers.

[Like It Is]

43. The Gun Lovers.

I would have loved to watch Hillary, Obama, Edwards or Richardson squirm if they were given that Gun Nut Video to answer. Biden's answer was fantastic! He should have gained every sensible American's vote right then and there.

[cbear70]

47. I agree!! nt.

[Forkboy]

42. Wait,let me guess..."We must sacrifice....

is causing a lot of trouble and fracturing the party."

[Like It Is]

44. What are you talking about?

And in what language?

[Forkboy]

46. I'm talking about this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3402438#3402889

and this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3399806

and this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3402679#3402969

and this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3399806#3400009

I think it was english I used.

[Like It Is]

48. Get Real and grow up. What are you a twelve year old?

[Forkboy]

49. I love you too.

Judging from your response I'd have to say I have more than a few years on you. :hi:

[Like It Is]

50. I must sound a lot younger than I am.

I voted for Adlai Stevenson, Do you know who he was?

[Forkboy]

51. Didn't he play for the Rangers?

[Like It Is]

52. Or maybe the St. Louis Browns

Or maybe the Chicago Cardinals

[Like It Is]

55. I don't think so.

I just keep up with the times.

[saltpoint]

66. Welcome to DU, democratsin08.

Right now the polls agree with you.

But I'm thinking that a confluence of events will propel Biden into contention.

I'm calling him to finish 2nd in Iowa in January.

Edwards, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Dodd, Kucinich.

[Like It Is]

53. This is what we need to put America back on track.

Biden has the ONLY plan to restore America's Greatness.

[ShortnFiery]

58. "America's Greatness?" IMO, the *Greatness* of a country is revealed by how it treats it's citizens

... most especially the working poor. Every time I pick my husband up from this Nation's Capitol, I notice the homeless on the streets.

Jesus says, "Whatever you do for the least of us, you do for me."

My Father told me that at the end of WWII, the Germans were clamoring to be Prisoners of War for the Americans because they were known to be "the most humane" captors. No, I'm not naive to assume that there were many poor exceptions. However, IMO, The GREATNESS of America is reflected by our demonstrated "compassion toward other human beings" NOT our bad-a** military might. :shrug:

[Like It Is]

76. But you need to have the military might .

Just use it wisely, and don't abuse it.

[saltpoint]

59. It's still relatively early in Biden's campaign and quite late in Bush's presidency.

Only one of the two men has a vision and plan for an effective U.S. foreign policy.

And it ain't Bush.

[Like It Is]

64. I'm glad you think it's early, so do I.

Some people think Hillary or Obama have won already. That couldn't be further from the truth.

[saltpoint]

65. Hi, Like It Is. Do you know that Joni Mitchell song "Help Me" ?

There's a line in it that goes:

"Cuz I've seen some hot, hot blazes
come down to smoke and ash..."

She's referring to love affairs but it kinda works for politics, too.

I've seen some lofty leaders brought down by any number of different things. At one point many people believed Dick Gephardt was a shoe-in for the 2004 Iowa caucus. He finished 4th with 11% and dropped out of the race by midnight.

Mondale was the heir-apparent to the Humphrey legacy and a party darling and Gary Hart whomped him good in New Hampshire.

Bill Bradley was a new face with significant celebrity and brains but then-establishmentarian Al Gore defeated him in New Hampshire.

And for the Pukes, John Connally dumped several million dollars into his campaign for the White House and wound up with 1 delegate vote at the convention.

I think you're right. It's early and a lot can still happen. And usually does.

[Like It Is]

67. Biden has a tough row to hoe.

I don't believe the vast majority of voters have made a decision on the Democratic nominee. The Media is trying to shove Hillary or Obama down our throats, but many people are choking on those choices. This is a critical time in our history, we cannot elect another divider. We need a uniter. That's why I can really appreciate a Biden/Hagel ticket. It may be just what the doctor ordered. We may have to make some very unpopular decisions in the future, they may even involve reinstating the draft. But the good of our country must come first. I believe that Biden can make those decisions. Hagel can bring some conservative votes with him. I hope the moderator doesn't lock this out. I'm a Democrat, but an American first.

[saltpoint]

68. I really do believe Biden has a shot at the presidency.

His numbers are already rising, and I think they'll keep rising.

I believe he will contend for the Iowa and New Hampshire contests and place in the top three in at least one, likely both.

If he were to win our nomination, I'd very strongly hope he would choose a Democrat for the ticket veep spot. We simply have too much talent to pass over. Hagel is right on regarding Iraq, but the rest of his voting record is just way far right, IMO. Too many talented blue people to pass up for a red people.

[Like It Is]

71. He's starting to campaign pretty heavy now.

Four TV appearances in 2 days! Yesterday the Today Show and Letterman. Today the Early Show and Hardball.

[saltpoint]

74. Yes. I feel his campaign has stepped up its in-person appearances,

its interviews, its email contacts.

There's a lift to it that wasn't there before.

I think by Labor Day Joe Biden will be spoken of more and more as a likely contender for the nomination.

[Like It Is]

75. Obama, Hillary and Edwards all sounded hawkish !

Biden straightened them out. Biden said you don't pre-announce that you're going to attack Pakistan to get bin Laden. If the opportunity presents itself, you just do it.

[saltpoint]

77. The last "Westerner" who had any luck at all in a land war in Asia was

probably Alexander, and that was short-lived and limited to Persia. By the time he got to the Indus Valley, that was one of the most weary armies who ever got up and walked. And it was a very hot, long desert they had to cross to get home.

Bush's war has placed our soldiers in a similar bind. We're occupiers, alien intruders, and the locals don't like us at all, and it's going to be very difficult to extricate our young people from that maelstrom.

I think any of our Democratic candidates would fare far, far better than Bush, in part because they're mature adults where Bush is essentially a whiney juvenile.

I'm not getting the hawk thing from the Democratic candidates the way I'm getting it from Rudolf Giuliani and his dog-torturing wife. Or McCain, who thinks the Surge is a swell idea. Or Romney, who is one of the most Dracula-like men to ever stalk the earth. No amount of blood is going to satiate Mitt Romney.

[Like It Is]

86. It's unbelievable how badly managed the Iraq operation has been.

Biden has to be given the opportunity to try his Plan for Iraq. Maliki must be replaced by a federation of three states Shiite, Sunni and Kurd. If it doesn't work, then we should leave. We can spend the billions being wasted there better at home repairing or building new bridges.

[saltpoint]

87. Yep -- I think Biden's plan will gain currency as things turn even more

sour than they already are for the Bush administration.

They've bungled an opportunity at statecraft something awful.

And they should be ashamed of themselves, if they were capable of feeling shame.

Biden's plan is a risky undertaking but it is potentially beneficial to all parties and it beats the hell out of incompetence, arrogance, stupidity, and entitlement, which are the 4 pillars of the Bush plan.

[Like It Is]

88. If Biden's Plan for Iraq should fail.

Get the hell out of Iraq. Another strongman dictator like Saddam will take over. Just hope it's not Sadr.

O.C. Check my post "Biden is the Man" on this thread.

[cleveramerican]

61. I like Joe

he's smart and blunt and sensible. I'll never understand why he gets no respect, even here.

[murbley40]

62. I sometimes wonder...

if the american voting public wants to be deceived.
I have realized that people do not hear what is said , but rather what they can twist to suit their argument. If Biden is not our next President,then once again it is our loss.

[Like It Is]

63. EXACTLY!

It's a loss we cannot afford. We are at a critical time in history. It is not time to elect the first woman just because she's a woman. It's not time to elect a young, inexperienced "Rock Star".

[Like It Is]

70. See Biden this morning on the Early Show.

And this evening on Hardball.

[Like It Is]

72. Did anyone see him on the Early Show? I overslept. n/t

[Like It Is]

73. But I caught him on Hardball, he shined there.

But Obama stuck his foot in his mouth, trying to talk foreign relations.

[cbear70]

82. So tired of the bankruptcy rhetoric.

So tired of all the bashing of the bankruptcy bill. Our Democratic party has done some questionable things, all of them have in the past. None of them are perfect. We just can't wait for the perfect person. Hilary, Edwards, Obama, and including Biden.. but right now is what we are talking about. Quit talking about the past.

I for one love Biden. He is the most sincere I have seen, Edwards comes in next.

[Like It Is]

83. Filing Bankruptcy drives up interest rates for all others.

People who use their credit in responsible fashion get hit with rate increases generated by irresponsible filers. Something had to be done.

[demommom]

90. Exactly!

[Like It Is]

91. Let's Stop the Bankruptcy Rhetoric ! There are more important things.

I personally would have voted the same as Biden on the final bill. The Bill passed on a vote of
74 Yea and 24 Nay. Biden's vote was irrelevant, it would have passed anyway. Half the Democratic Senators voted Yea! On amendments #16 & #28 which failed, on which Biden voted Nay, I would have voted Yea. Biden's vote on the amendments was not the deciding vote! Quit blaming Biden for a bill that needed passing in order to stop abuse of the existing bill. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.

[demommom]

92. Like It Is:

I could not have said it better,

[Like It Is]

93. Did you get my e-mail on DU?

Try it out it works very nicely.

[murbley40]

97. delete

[calteacherguy]

94. His plan for objective #1 on his list is misguided at best. nt

[Like It Is]

96. Your comments are too short, you never explain yourself.

Biden has no intention to beat a hasty retreat out of Iraq. I'm sure he will try to implement his Plan for Iraq and not leave unless it fails or the Iraqis refuse to implement it. Read this, you may learn something.

http://www.planforiraq.com/

[Like It Is]

103. Thanks for taking the time to consider his plan. n/a

[murbley40]

99. kick

:kick:

[murbley40]

101. AGAIN

:kick:

[Like It Is]

104. Thanks for kicking ! n/t

[Like It Is]

100. Don't forget the AFL-CIO Forum tonight at 7PM Eastern time on MSNBC !

I hope Olbermann plays Hardball with his questions.

[Like It Is]

102. Olbermann tried but the crowd was unruly.

Terrible setting for a debate, It will probably never be held in a stadium again. Kucinich had a good day. But he's not our candidate. It was his kind of crowd.

[demommom]

105. kick

:kick:

[murbley40]

106. Kick!

:kick: