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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:22 PM
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Troops out of Iraq and into Darfur?
Edited on Tue Jul-24-07 04:45 PM by LBJDemocrat
I noticed that many candidates in the debate last night advocated sending troops to Darfur. I don't understand why this would make any sense. There are civil wars going on in both Iraq and in the Sudan. Why is it worth it to get involved in one of them and not the other? In Iraq, at least, it was our mistakes that precipitated the sectarian conflict; and if we pull out, Iranian influence would increase, possibly resulting in a genocide of religious minorities in the Shi'ite areas.

I've been against the war from the beginning, but the idea of staying in Iraq is preferable to the idea of getting involved in Darfur for me, even though I'd prefer it if troops got out of both.

Is it because politicians believe a war in Darfur would be a "cakewalk"? I would disagree with that. There are plenty of Al Qaeda-type Salafi jihadists in the Horn of Africa who could move to the region if we turned it into what could be interpreted by them as a "jihad." Do we really want that?

What do you think?
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:32 PM
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1. Anyone?
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 04:43 PM
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2. Hello?
I assume that if all of you agreed, you'd say say. You either disagree but can't argue your case or you just don't give a s---.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:18 PM
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3. This is ridiculous
"Eh, who cares if more Americans die, as long as Bush is out of office."
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 05:30 PM
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4. WTF
Come on.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:11 PM
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5. One last try
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 08:18 PM
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6. I'm not sure what could or should be done in Darfur, but more is needed.
If we had to have this strong an economic, military, and political investment somewhere, I'd prefer it were in a place like Darfur. It's a tragic situation. The irony of invading Iraq -- with hysteria about atrocities that occurred a decade ago -- yet ignoring genocide in Darfur, is mind-boggling...
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:03 PM
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7. If the military had to be used,
I think a bombing campaign could be used, but the idea of a troop commitment on the ground is completely absurd.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:05 PM
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8. I would fully support
sending all the troops in Iraq to Darfur.

There is, in fact, a place for US military power. Taking over a country is not one of them. Stopping genocide is.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:24 PM
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9. So then
...if genocide occurs after we leave a country, should we go back in?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-24-07 09:31 PM
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10. That's a good question
and it's why I opposed this war from Day 1.

There was no good ending. I knew that in '03 and my opinion has only been confirmed.

in Darfur, however, the problem is a total lack of legitimate government control. A respectable US government would lead the way to having the UN use force to stop what's happening. Alas, we don't have a respectable US government.

But... the real solution is to have a UN-led force that is mightily supported by the US.
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