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Sat Jul-28-07 08:13 AM
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TPMCafe: Do Polls Back Up Hillary's Campaign's Contention about 2002 War Authorization? |
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Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 08:36 AM by flpoljunkie
Do Polls Back Up Hillary Campaign's Contention About 2002 War Authorization? No.Mark Blumenthal deconstructs a claim by Hillary Clinton advisor Howard Wolfson. Appearing on Hardball yesterday, Wolfson alleged that many Americans (Wolfson "naive" figure--80%!) shared Hillary's professed belief that President Bush would take the Iraq authorization and use it as diplomatic leverage, exhausting the alternatives before going to war. In fact, Blumenthal says, polling in November 2002 showed that 58% of Americans believed the president had already made the firm decision to invade Iraq. http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jul/27/happy_hour_roundupJuly 27, 2007 Unspinning Howard Wolfson* http://www.pollster.com/blogs/unspinning_howard_wolfson.phpEarlier today on Hardball, MSNBC's Chris Matthews had the following exchange with Howard Wolfson, communications director for the Clinton campaign (my transcript below the video): Click link above for the must see videoMatthews: How would you describe position in voting to authorize the war in Iraq believing we weren't going to war, that Bush really didn't intend to go to war. Was that naive?
Wolfson: Look, she's taken responsibility for the vote. She's been asked about this...
Mathews: Wouldn't you call that naive to believe...
Wolfson: No...
Matthews: ...that we're not going to war when everybody thought we were going to war? I thought we were going to war.
Wolfson: I guess 80 percent of the country was naive then.
Matthews: They didn't think Bush would take us to war?
Wolfson: I think people were, believed George Bush was going to do what he said he was going to do, which was to try diplomacy. And he didn't.
Matthews: Anybody who didn't think we were going to war, in the months leading up to the war in Iraq, wasn't paying attention.
Did 80% of Americans believe that President Bush would "try diplomacy" in an effort to avoid a war with Iraq?
Not exactly.
I checked the Iraq archives at the Polling Report. Most of the questions asked in late 2002 focused on whether and under what conditions Americans would support going to war. However, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey of 1,017 adults conducted November 22-24, 2002 (a month after the vote to authorize the use of military force in Iraq), showed that a majority of Americans believed President Bush had "already decided" to invade Iraq: Which comes closer to your view about President Bush? Bush has already decided to invade Iraq and has agreed to UN inspections mainly to gain international support for that action. OR, Bush has not yet decided whether to invade Iraq and has agreed to UN inspections mainly to determine if an invasion of Iraq were necessary.
58% - Bush has already decided to invade 38% - Bush has not yet decided whether to invade 4% - No opinion
A bit of context on the timing: The U.S. Senate passed the resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq on October 11, 2002 (with Senator Clinton voting in favor). President Bush signed it into law on October 16. Three weeks later, on November 8, the United Nations Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441 urging Iraq to "comply with its disarmament obligations" or face "serious consequences." Iraq agreed to the resolution on November 13, and under its terms, U.N. weapons inspectors were set to return to Iraq on November 27 after a four year absence to conduct onsite inspections in search of weapons of mass destruction.
Gallup fielded its survey on November 22-24, just days before the return of the U.N. inspectors, a time when one might expect optimism regarding the use of diplomacy to resolve the conflict. Yet even then, 58% of Americans believed the President had "already decided to invade Iraq." *With apologizes to Frank Newport, who has made "unspinning" questionable assertions about public opinion on Sunday morning talk shows a regular staple of his Gallup Guru blog.
-- Mark Blumenthal
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:19 AM
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1. I Didn't Believe Bush Would Try Diplomacy |
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any more than he would start speaking English. He has no skill or mastery of either.
Bush is born, bred and raised a bully. It is his life's work and his only pleasure. He's not going to suddenly take up diplomacy!
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:25 AM
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2. And polls should matter here...why? As a measure of getting 'her' message across, yes, .... |
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about accurate knowledge of the vote? No.
That's not what polls do.
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:26 AM
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3. I don't know of anyone who didn't believe we were going to war |
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I had never that spin until Wolfson said that on Hardball.
Wolfson lied. If Hillary had that view she was definately naive and it's irresponsible for her to continue with this lie.
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:48 AM
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6. Yes. Raise your hands DUers, if you were part of Howard Wolfson's clueless 80% who trusted Bush. |
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Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 08:49 AM by flpoljunkie
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Sat Jul-28-07 10:27 AM
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:36 AM
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4. No, they don't. And even more to the point, we expect our leaders |
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Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 09:32 AM by Benhurst
to be better informed, not less, than the public as a whole. Millions had already taken to the streets against the planned illegal and immoral invasion. Why were Clinton and our other "leaders" so far behind the curve on such an important issue?
Wolfson and other Clinton advisers should stop trying to excuse her bad call on this and move on, hoping the electorate is willing to forgive her lack of judgment or political courage, whichever the case may be.
And the same goes for most of our other "leaders" as well.
At least John Edwards has apologized. Clinton should do the same and move on. Otherwise her lack of good judgment in 2002 will look less like a lapse than a pattern, a continuing one at that.
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:46 AM
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5. But they were privy to secret information! |
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:49 AM
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7. Wolfson is a smarmy, Fox-News liar. eom |
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:52 AM
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8. SNL deconstructed Hillary Clinton perfectly... |
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"I think my supporters know my support for the war was always insincere." http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2007/01/hillary.html
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Sat Jul-28-07 09:04 AM
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10. Absolutely! Awesome video! Had somehow missed it this past January, 2007. Thanks for posting! |
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Sat Jul-28-07 05:49 PM
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12. I can't anyone on here missed it. It was all over the cable shows. EOM |
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Sat Jul-28-07 06:49 PM
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13. What can I say. Don't think I miss much, but somehow missed this--tho I am no longer a SNL fan |
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since they caved on criticizing Bush.
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Sat Jul-28-07 08:55 AM
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9. what a shock! Just like bush Hillary and her campaign rewrite history! |
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who would vote for more of the same? :e,yes:
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