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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:04 PM
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Now Who’s “Bush-Cheney Lite”? (CommonDreams)
Just when some folks might have thought that Barack Obama was a real alternative, given his full-throated defense of the commonsense notion that the U.S. should, in fact, talk to countries that it doesn’t like, he tries to burnish his Empire credentials in response to the attacks by Hillary’s people by saying that the U.S. should invade Pakistan, even without the Pakistani government’s permission.

Never mind that (a) this would be a blatant violation of international law (b) it could go very, very badly (c) lots of innocent people would die and (d) such statements actually undermine the Pakistani government’s efforts to suppress violent Islamic militancy.

Published on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 by CommonDreams.org

Now Who’s “Bush-Cheney Lite”?

by Robert Naiman


Just when some folks might have been thinking that Hillary Clinton had been magically transformed into an actual opponent of the neocon Empire project, what with her outrageous suggestion that the Pentagon might consider talking with Congress about contingency plans for U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, she and her campaign went and manufactured a controversy about whether or not the U.S. should talk to countries that it doesn’t like, scoring points with the Washington punditry but moving our country further away from a sane foreign policy. Just when some folks might have thought that Barack Obama was a real alternative, given his full-throated defense of the commonsense notion that the U.S. should, in fact, talk to countries that it doesn’t like, he tries to burnish his Empire credentials in response to the attacks by Hillary’s people by saying that the U.S. should invade Pakistan, even without the Pakistani government’s permission. Never mind that (a) this would be a blatant violation of international law (b) it could go very, very badly (c) lots of innocent people would die and (d) such statements actually undermine the Pakistani government’s efforts to suppress violent Islamic militancy.

But here’s a bright spot: Edwards said something reasonable about Iran. He criticized the Bush Administration’s proposal for a massive new arms sales package in the Middle East, saying it would give Iran an incentive to strengthen its nuclear program:

Edwards said the arms deal could backfire by giving Iran an incentive to build its nuclear strength. “They have to try to offset the conventional arms deficiencies that they’re faced with,” Edwards said. “That’s the whole problem with this idea that you deal with these things in terms of what’s helpful at the moment instead of what needs to be done over the long term.”

Unlike most of official Washington, he also called foul on the Bush administration’s coddling of Saudi Arabia — arguably playing a far more disruptive role in Iraq than the government of Iran, which — unlike the Saudis — is actually allied with the same people in Iraq that the U.S. is allied with:

Edwards said the United States should require the Saudi government to shut down the movement of terrorists across its borders, help stabilize the Iraqi government and participate more seriously in regional security before they are offered weapons. “Whether it’s Iraq or terrorism, the Saudis have fallen way short of what they need to be doing,” the 2004 vice presidential nominee told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. “And the Bush administration’s response is to sell them $20 billion worth of arms, which is short-term and convenient and not what the United States should be doing.”

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/01/2918/
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:18 PM
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1. Edwards agrees with Obama, though
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:20 PM
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2. So does Hillary, based on her most recent statement.
Oh well...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:43 PM
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7. Why run for cover to the other candidates?
Isn't Obama capable of standing up on his own?
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:21 PM
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10. Ironic, isn't it? A candidate running on judgment has to run for cover behind others
So I guess we aren't going to hear more of that judgment meme at DU? ;)
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:23 PM
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3. Edwards, Biden, Hillary and Richard Clark All Agree
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 08:25 PM by Ethelk2044
Like he said Iraq is the wrong war. He is not pushing for Iraq, where we should have never gone in. Obama is different. We should be in Afghan not Iraq.



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:29 PM
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4. Can people comprehend English?
Obama did not mention invading Pakistan, overthrowing the government, nation building and bombing the hell out of its citizens.

If the United States has actionable intelligence on where the AQ leadership is hiding at, he will work with Musharraf to take action against Al Qaeda. If Musharraf is not willing to work with the United States on this, then we will have to take out Al Qaeda alone.

Obama, Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and Biden would do the same thing.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:36 PM
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5. It doesn't seem as if they can. Bombs are not ...
Bombs are not our only tool. We can force Musharef to take action through diplomatic pressure. There are better options including having Musharef replaced.



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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:38 PM
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6. He did not say bomb. Go back to school and learn english
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:49 PM
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8. Spinning his words
Doesn't change the fact that he's risking aonther war we can't win by running his trap to prove that he's a tough guy.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 05:05 AM
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11. We can't control our border with Mexico, but we expect Pakistan to control tribal areas
The Brits couldn't do it when they had the whole of West Asia.

How many times in the past have we heard of a Predator strike killing a "high value" target on the basis that he was tall and was wearing white. How wonder how many village elders have been killed by American bombs launched remotely by an operator sitting in an air conditioned trailer in Nevada.

We are losing the war in Afghanistan, and losing it badly. Pakistan's tribal areas are a Pashtun version of our Wild West, and then some.

What none of our candidates want to talk about is that in order to begin tackling the "Islamist" terrorism, a Lou Dobbs term, we need to address the cancer that feeds the swamp from which terrorists come: Israel's brutal occupation of Palestine.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-02-07 11:21 AM
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12. I would like to cordially invite you
Edited on Thu Aug-02-07 11:23 AM by LWolf
to come on back to school to learn punctuation and capitalization. I'm so heartened to see your concern and awareness about the need for more education! School starts up in a few weeks, and we will spend some time reviewing end punctuation for you, as well answering any questions about capitalization you may have.

We're also going to be working on written and spoken debate skills. That will include how to make a point, or to disagree with someone, with civility and grace.


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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 08:52 PM
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9. maybe you need to listen close to his speech.
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