America's couple.

[William769]

[Nostradammit]

1. -

:puke:

[DangerDave921]

2. Why

Why are they America's couple?

Seems to me they have a marriage of convenience and power.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. How do you know what type of marriage they have? I've seen them both

together in a realatively casual setting and they seem very happy with each other.

[DangerDave921]

9. I don't

And neither do you.

Exactly what setting did you see them in where it was "relatively casual?"

[William769]

13. Then I guess post #2, you were just joshing us?

[DangerDave921]

16. no

Just stating that I have no actual knowledge of their marriage. And neither do any of us. But we all express our opinions of it. So indulge me in my opinion that I think they have a long-standing agreement to remain married because it benefits them both.

[Joe Bacon]

72. Thank You, Maureen Dowd

And I guess Cross Dressing Rudy, Adulterer Newt, Hollywood Fred and his Surgically-enhanced wife, and Swinging John Mc Cain have the ideal marriages you wish to hold up as shining examples of fidelity :puke:

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Private party hosted my mutal friend in Fayetteville, AR in 1998.

[Apollo11]

76. What - during the "Lewinsky Scandal"?

Was that before Bill 'fessed up to what actually went down in the Oval Office? :eyes:

[sinkingfeeling]

88. It was in nov. 1998 when he came to dedicate the new airport.

[Cha]

90. And I'm happy they're happy together..

Just don't be shovin' that meme "America's couple" on us.

I have a lot of other couples in mind whom I think are more deserving of inspiration.

[William769]

94. Feel free to make your own thread then. NT

[Cha]

97. This is a free board..I can

post on this thread. "America's couple" ..bullshit.

[William769]

101. Your right it is a free board so I posted what I wanted.

[William769]

100. self delete.

Posted wrong place.

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Why thank you Rona Barrett.

[BrklynLib at work]

What a contrast to the two slack-jawed dimwits in the White House now...

[William769]

6. Don't worry, they will be there again very soon.

[mantis]

3. lol

I needed that laugh.

[rhiannon55]

5. I am quite fond of them

especially Big Dawg. Love that man!

[DangerDave921]

11. Women

Always found it a little strange why more women didn't reject Bill after his known philandering came to light. Maybe on some unconscious level, women still love the bad boy. :)

[rhiannon55]

19. Maybe so, but

I assume that most extremely powerful men (and women) 'philander'. Bill's philandering didn't just 'come to light.' It was HOUNDED into light. His actions with another consenting adult (young though she was) was nobody's business but his, hers, and Hillary's.

Actually, I think Bill is sexy because he's so damned SMART. Oh, what I'd give now for a smart president!

[avrdream]

74. Yeah, and it isn't as if Bill is tapping feet with the man in the next stall!

[Apollo11]

78. Many women sympathize with Hillary

while at the same time they subconsciously empathize with Monica Lewinsky.

Or something like that ... ;-)

Nope - I can't figure it out either .... :eyes:

[CTyankee]

92. I think it was different things for different women.

Some may have been attracted to power. Some to his charisma and charm. Some were just plain turned on by him. I'm in the second category. I will always listen when he speaks because I've never heard anybody express himself so beautifully.

[Clark2008]

104. Not I.

My biggest problem with Hillary is that she didn't kick his sorry ass to the curb. When I caught my ex cheating, I did just that - with no money since I was a stay-at-home Mom.

I wouldn't touch Bill with a 10-foot pole for fear I'd catch something.

I'd still rather he was president than Shrub, of course, but, personally, he does nothing for me.

[TeamJordan23]

7. the 'happily married' couple. nm

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Wow, where did I hear that shit before?

[movonne]

8. My pick would be John and Jackie Kennedy..

[SteppingRazor]

10. I was expecting a photo like this:

[Labors of Hercules]

109. Get outta my way!

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[DURHAM D]

12. I love 'em both.

However, I am glad that Hillary finally has a chance to pursue her destiny. Marriage to Bill has been such a drag on her career. :woohoo:

[DangerDave921]

18. Sure has

Of course the argument could be made that Hillary's career has been made by her marriage to Bill. Would she be a sitting US Senator and running for President if it hadn't been for her marriage to Bill?

[DURHAM D]

20. Absolutely and a whole lot sooner.

If you don't know that you don't know her.

[DangerDave921]

21. Explain

Explain how he held her back then?

And by when would she have become a US Senator?

[patrioticintellect]

14. I would have preferred this

Now that's hot.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. Then post a thread about them.

She's stunning!

[Ron Green]

28. Right, but I've already been stunned enough for the past 6 years.

[jgraz]

17. Couple of what?

:evilgrin:

[ejbr]

22. That is an awful thing to type!

Come sit next to me on my cyberspace bench.:pals:

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Happy days are soon to be here again!

:bounce:

[AtomicKitten]

27. Although I have another choice in the primary --

I have always had a genuine fondness for the Clintons. They stood tall under assault for over a decade. Even if my choice loses to Hillary, I am confident that in giving her the keys to the car, she can be trusted not drive America into a ditch (too late, we're already there!). Best of all, and quite frankly more important to me, a Democrat will appoint the next Supreme Court justice(s). w00t

[JNelson6563]

30. Good post

I agree with what you say there AK.

Here's another first couple I am quite fond of:



Julie--feeling sentimental for Dems in the WH

[ronnykmarshall]

31. Jackie!

God I miss that woman.

[AtomicKitten]

40. which reminds me of this --

:cry:

[mentalsolstice]

29. Sweet! eom

[illinoisprogressive]

32. I'm american and they are not MY couple. by a long shot. they are so 90s. tired

[William769]

33. Guess what? That fads back in fashion!

:rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

34. Yawn!

Maybe you should go listed to a Jasmine Guy CD.

[NewHampster]

35. Love em both and seeing them Sunday

In Concord and Portsmouth, NH

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/newhampshire/

[William769]

36. Lucky you!

I'm jealous. :(

[NewHampster]

37. Come to New Hampshire

and have some fun. The fall campaign needs everyone they can get.

[Colobo]

38. I hope they don't represent the average American marriage

Things would be really bad if they did...

[ronnykmarshall]

39. You mean keeping their marriage together?

Yeah that's just HORRIBLE!

[Colobo]

42. No need for this comment.

After all, it's a very personal opinion that has nothing to do with Hillary's ability to lead.

[TeamJordan23]

44. yep, he cheated on her on more than one occassion. nm

[ElizabethDC]

45. Really? Well, that's breaking news.

:sarcasm:

I guess she can't be president now.

[Colobo]

46. Of course she can. That's not the issue here,

[ElizabethDC]

48. I know. But I don't know why that aspect of their marriage is being discussed in a politics forum

to begin with? I guess some people will just go after whatever they can.

[Colobo]

50. The OP opened a can of worms and I shouldn't have jumped on it, I know.

[William769]

86. Can of worms?

That they are a loving couple?

[ElizabethDC]

47. I don't think that makes her submissive.

I think it takes a lot of strength to try to confront problems and work on a marriage. I think Hillary knows she can leave any time she wants to.

[Colobo]

49. As the son of a couple that has gone through similar problems

I don't think any woman should endure the emotional abuse serial cheating represents. I grew up watching my mom cry because dad verbally abused her and cheated on her openly, even bragging about it.

No woman should endure it, and I am guy.

[ElizabethDC]

51. I grew up in a similar situation as well

my father abused my mother physically and emotionally and cheated on her as well. They divorced when I was relatively young, which I think was a good decision on my mother's part, in her situation. I'm certainly not against divorce, but I think if a couple decide that they can work on it, that's an admirable decision as well. No one should be demonized for trying to make their marriage work.

[Colobo]

52. So, given that you grew up in similar circumstances

you understand my stance, right? I know I shouldn't judge women who decide to fight for their marriages, like my mom and Hillary have... but no woman deserves to go through that.

It's a very sensitive matter for me... it hurts me...

[ElizabethDC]

53. But it's hard to judge someone else's circumstances from the outside

Hillary's clearly a woman who's capable of making her own choices. I have a hard time demonizing someone for either chosing to get a divorce or choosing to stay married. The only thing that I think absolutely should lead to a divorce is physical abuse, especially when there are children involved. But maybe that's because that's what I went through.

Either way, Hillary seems to be a smart, tough lady who's capable of standing up for herself and making her own decisions.

[Colobo]

54. I respect her. No doubt. Still, I really have a tough time appreciating

Bill Clinton, not as a politician, but as a man. I don't want to imagine how much Hillary has had to endure with him.

[ElizabethDC]

55. I have a hard time with that as well.

Bill has some wonderful qualities but some terrible ones as well. But I think it's interesting to note that he had no strong male role model in his home when he was growing up. He never knew his own father, and his stepfather as a physically abusive alcoholic. Not that that should excuse Bill's behavior in any way, but it's interesting from a psycological perspective.

[Colobo]

56. I didn't know that! It probably did affect him negatively.

[ChiciB1]

99. She Could Have Walked Away A LONG Time Ago... It's Not Like

she was down and out and had nowhere to go. She's a lawyer and she had the means to support herself, unlike many women who are caught up in abusive circumstances and have NOTHING but NOTHING to gain! And fear what may happen to them IF they leave!

I left my husband because I was told of his interest in another woman! Nothing had actually happened, the woman came and told "me" about it, so I said... Go For It To Him... and I divorced him. His friends were shocked by what I did and told me how devastated he was, but I had 2 kids and I wasn't about to be "used" by him.

In the end, after being divorced for about 10 years, we are back together and married again, but he did get the message!

[ChiciB1]

98. I AGREE With You Here... But I'm Not Sure Their Marriage Is The Same

thing. It's about politics and very little else. Hillary isn't weak nor do I think she's stupid, but I DO think she puts up with it because she will reap certain benefits by "standing by HER man!"

No matter WHAT she said in the past, she has looked the other way because of the opportunities Bill Clinton has opened up for her. While Bill Clinton was much more moderate than I, I do think he was charismatic enough and intelligent enough to "beat" the Repukes at their own game!! I feel he did work for America and tried to unite us, but still as a President I have never been able to understand WHY he let himself get caught by the "Monica" thing!

Had it been me, and of course I'm a woman... but the ONE thing I would NEVER have done was fooled around when I was President! It still makes me wonder, and I don't really care all that much where he puts what, but he HAD to know that if caught it would be SUPER MAJOR!!

And despite Hillary's Faux anger, I doubt it was true. She's known about him FOREVER, and if one thinks about it... they actually spend VERY LITTLE time together! They ARE a COUPLE, but I'm not sure it's a MARRIAGE as most see it. It IS convenient though!

[JTFrog]

75. Nope just makes

her naive. Just like she was with Bush.

[ronnykmarshall]

57. Oh bullshit.

It's about CLINTON! Period. End of story.

It's simply about CLINTON.

Get real.

My dad fucked around on my mom. They divorvced. Do I wish they both would have been able to work it out and stayed married. You bet your ass.

You're little "oh it's about womanizing" horseshit is straight out a fucking freerepublic post.

You've in the past have shown fairness and not fallen "shit on the Clinton's at all cost" group ... but NOW .... not anymore.

He fucked around. She forgave him. They love each other. Get the fuck over it.

[Colobo]

58. You need to chill

I have my PERSONAL take on this, and I'm sorry you don't like it. No need for the completely disrespectful tone you are using- I have NEVER offended you or used such tone to refer to you, and I don't think I deserve it.

You are a very nice person Ronny, and I honestly hope this obvious disagreement, which is not political by the way, will not be an obstacle in mantaining a cordial relationship as we had in the future.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Colobo]

61. Absolutely not political.

I guess we sometimes forget we are on the same team. I didn't expect my comment to get to you as it did. It was not my intention, only my opinion.

[ronnykmarshall]

62. Again ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3486815

Defend THIS!

[Colobo]

63. It was intented to be a funny poll, and it obviously didn't work out.

I apologized to the mod after he closed it- it was wrong. I'm not perfect, dude, and sometimes my support for my candidate gets in the middle of my reasoning, but the least I would like this to become is a personal thing.

[ronnykmarshall]

64. Thank you ...

and thank you for the nice PM. I'm sorry to have bit your ass off like I did. We ARE in this together. I've had my ass bit by "others" and I should not have taken it out on you. You're a sweetheart and I'm sorry to have jumped your shit like I did.

Plus that damn Hemsley woman left 12 mill to her dog. I'm on edge right now.

[Colobo]

65. It's alright, and I wish I was Hemsley's dog.

[ronnykmarshall]

67. No shit, huh?

She really pulled a Joan Crawford on two of her grand kids.

[William769]

82. Your transparency is showing.

[Colobo]

41. I take away my former statement.

I have no true or sincere intention of attacking Bill and Hillary, regardless of the personal opinion I might have of their relationship.

[TeamJordan23]

43. hands down. nm

[ronnykmarshall]

59. Oh yes ...

People that work their marriage out are skum of the earth.

[noamnety]

68. I don't care about their relationship, but

I was offended at a rich white couple of politicians being described as "America's Couple."

[DURHAM D]

70. Are you offended because they are white

or because they are rich?

By the way - they are both white but they are not what I would call rich. One is from a middle class background and the other a poor background. Both worked very hard for what they have attained. Is that a problem?

[noamnety]

71. I'm not offended by either.

They are what they are.

I'm offended that those characteristics (hetero white couple with huge amounts of political power, currently worth somewhere between $10 - 50 million) are being held up as some sort of icon of what the ideal "American" couple is supposed to be.

[William769]

83. Actually it could be argued they are the American dream also. Think about it and you will see it.

[noamnety]

110. I have some ethical problems with "The American Dream"

If your dream is to be self-sufficient and help others, that's cool.

If your dream is to amass $10-50 million, that's a great success in terms of "capitalism" and consumerism, but not in terms of humanity.

[Nedsdag]

89. I wouldn't call Bill's background poor.

It's not like he was born in a one-room shack with an outhouse. He was born in a hospital. His mother was a nurse. He grew up middle class.

[ElizabethDC]

93. The first home he lived in didn't have indoor plumbing, IIRC

I think there might have been an outhouse, actually.

[mitchum]

108. Actually, I think their modest backgrounds are the reason they used their talents...

in the service of the power structure while "appearing" to be "sooooo liberal and progressive"
Sometimes the most ambitious are the most corruptible.
Sure paid off well for both DLClintons, didn't it?

[Tellurian]

66. Nice pic... Thanks for posting..

:hi:

[DeepModem Mom]

69. A great photo! nt

[WCGreen]

73. A Borgia arrangement...

[Apollo11]

77. How does this OP not qualify as flame bait?

The implication seems to be that Hillary has a better marriage and a better spouse than any other potential nominee for the 2008 Presidential election.

How is this couple any better than the Gores, the Edwards, the Obamas or the Kucinichs ??? :eyes:

[William769]

84. Former first Lady, Former President. Current Senator.

It can only be co considered flame bait by certain people. I wonder what type of certain person that is?

[Alamom]

79. Thank you. Great Pic. eom

[zulchzulu]

80. Herre's another nominee for America's Couple

I'm not sure what the point of this OP is other than to either have people give adoring responses or stomp on people who dare think that, while they are very nice people and all that, are not necessarily "America's Couple"...for whatever that is supposed to mean.

Next time, write something with some substance. Maybe some poll where they are seen as "America's Couple" as opposed to other couples...

[William769]

85. Some say a picture is worth a thousand words.

IMHO nothing needed to be written.

[Totally Committed]

81. They are Proving to be Europe's Favorites as Well!

Clinton proves favourite across the Atlantic - The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2158408,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

See if you can guess why:

After the Presidential Elections, A Reactionary Offensive Against Youth and Workers...
France Turns Hard to the Right

http://www.internationalist.org/francerightturn0705.html


Belgium turns right

http://bruxelles.cafebabel.com/en/post/2007/06/12/Belgium-turns-right


THE NETHERLANDS IS NO LONGER A PARAGON OF ALL THINGS LIBERAL...
Right Turn
by Abigail R. Esman

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060116&s=esman011606


Labor's Right Turn

West Germany's 6,400,000-member Trade Union Federation has made a turn toward the right with the election of free-enterprising Ludwig Rosenberg, 59, as chairman. Unlike his up-from-the-factory colleagues, Rosenberg is a lifelong white-collar worker who became a union organizer more out of intellectual conviction than economic necessity, fled the Third Reich in 1933 and later helped the British Ministry of Labor find wartime jobs for thousands of refugees from Hitler.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,829443,00.html


Spain turns right.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5037/is_200003/ai_n18276766


Italy turns rightwards

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_n1542_v265/ai_15695147


How the neoliberals stitched up the wealth of nations for themselves
A cabal of intellectuals and elitists hijacked the economic debate, and now we are dealing with the catastrophic effects

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2157197,00.html

TC

[mod mom]

87. I think "America's couple" would not be so divisive and would not have had

serious marital problems.

Sorry but I believe we can do better!

[Nedsdag]

91. Yep!

As Chris Rock once stated, "a man is as faithful as his options."

[William769]

95. Go ahead nominate Senator Craig.

[Totally Committed]

96. Why is the alternative given RW?

I'd rather have DK be my pres. than HRC any day.

Or Bobby Kennedy, Jr.

Or even Al Gore.


All to her left, significantly, and all would be great Presidents.


TC

[QueenOfCalifornia]

102. Wow... You may have forgotten...

This couple -




Where is my "Support the Troops" magnet for my Escalade?

[otohara]

103. If Al Gore Doesn't Run

and my choice for the primary doesn't win...this couple works for me again!

[mitchum]

105. Don't you mean Corporate America's couple?

[Totally Committed]

106. *rim shot*

Good one!

:rofl:


TC

[Stephanie]

107. And they don't even live together.

I guess it's better that way.