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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:32 PM Original message |
Re: HRC's new universal health plan -- Why do people think |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. I am not against HRC's plan, but I will say this... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. If we make health care affordable and popular, such as "Medicare for everyone" |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. I truly believe that is her plan. |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 03:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. That is Edwards' plan. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. Better to do nothing at all than to come a little closer to your goal. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Oh hell no. Not do 'nothing'. You stand on your ideals and get no closer to your goal. |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
5. This plan looks like a burden on lower-middle class |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. $4000 a year for a single person seems a little steep to me. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You should see what it will do to small businesses. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Does it require small businesses to carry insurance plans for their employees? n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I think her plan is to give tax credits to small businesses. If it is generous enough |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. Small businesses get to deduct health care insurance for their employees |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I pay $360/mo for individual |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. It seem very steep, especially for lower income levels. But HRC hasn't |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. What are the exclusions? |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. How does this differ from the Republicans???? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The Republicans have never promised even access. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. I guess I'm not going to assume the worst -- that she'd follow |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. You could do this for lower-middle income people by expanding Medicaid upward. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. Ask every candidate for ANY office: single payer universal healthcare? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
32. Excellent point! We should always question our elected officials! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. ... |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. But is AN answer. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It's not an answer. It's payback for campaign contributions. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Well, when MEdicare was enacted it was not enough for people who weren't elderly. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. That's the way I'm leaning, too. Get as much as we can done, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You can't do two health care reform initiatives in one presidency |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. There's no reason you couldn't have one major health reform initiative |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Sure you can. Medicare and Medicaid passed under Johnson's first term. n/t |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Initiatives that covered different groups of people |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Wouldn't cover me |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. It's a start. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It will never pass Congress just like her first plan didn't. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I think single-payer is much less likely to get through Congress. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. As long as the insurance lobbyists are writing the legislation, |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Unfortunately, California has to get rid of the groppensteroidenfuhrer first |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I know, I know. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. HR676 - Universal Single Payer -- without a doubt |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. she has to become president first, to do anything |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. The BEST change would be |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. Slick Willie, just like Hillary |
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democrat2thecore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
29. 2008 House & Senate Elections Will Determine What Kind of Health Bill We Can Get |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Umm, Hillary's plan is not universal health care, no matter how much her campaign tries to spin it |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Because Slick Willie and Hillary's plan in the 90s |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
46. The difference... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
47. Without having read any of the other responses, I'll take a stab at it... |
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