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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:30 PM
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Joe Conason: "Dominant Hillary Scares Enemies"

Dominant Hillary Scares Enemies
by Joe Conason
Published: September 18, 2007

Hillary Clinton’s skillful introduction of her new health care plan demonstrated why she is the most formidable Democrat running for president. It also suggested that if victorious, she will not be defeated so easily by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries as she and her husband were the last time they tried to reform the dysfunctional American medical system.

While her major rivals in both the Democratic and Republican presidential fields felt compelled to attack even before she finished speaking, their glancing blows proved only that she is now dominating the campaign.

In broad outline, what Mrs. Clinton is proposing closely resembles the ideas previously presented by John Edwards and Barack Obama. While Mr. Edwards wants a stronger role for government-backed care and Mr. Obama rejects the federal mandate for individual and family insurance, none of these plans differs enough to mobilize primary voters for or against any of the leading candidates. All of the plans would impose stringent regulation on the insurance companies; all would subsidize insurance for working-class and middle-income people; and all would finance the costs of universal coverage by repealing tax cuts for the highest brackets.

...

After all, she has adopted an important proposal from the Heritage Foundation as a central part of her own plan.

That’s right: One of the pillars of the new Clinton plan is actually a scheme that was originally fashioned by a prominent policy analyst at Washington’s largest conservative think tank. Back during the debate over health care in the Clinton administration, Heritage’s vice president, Stuart Butler, suggested that Americans be permitted to purchase insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program—the cafeteria plan that covers millions of government employees, from janitors to senators.

Later events showed that Mr. Butler was one of very few conservatives who truly shared that goal. But aside from his idea’s beguiling simplicity, it could be formulated as a question that has only one plausible answer.

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Yet by folding the Heritage proposal into her own new plan—and by simultaneously adopting aspects of the Massachusetts and California universal-coverage plans—Mrs. Clinton is shielding herself against the inevitable barrage from both partisan and corporate adversaries. How radical is a plan that echoes the Heritage Foundation, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mitt Romney?

Of course, Mr. Romney is running away from the health care innovations he helped bring to the Bay State, just as he no longer remembers when he was an advocate of gay rights and reproductive freedom. Like Rudolph Giuliani, he seized upon Mrs. Clinton’s health initiative to warn once more against federal bureaucracy, socialized medicine, big government and all the other scary things supposedly symbolized by “Hillarycare.”

Such frightening phrases have repeatedly terrified American voters into submission to the insurance industry, but they may have lost much of their power. Corporate advertising and Republican rhetoric rolled over Mrs. Clinton in 1994, but she has come back to fight again for this Democratic promise with greater wisdom and experience.

Voters are likely to respect and appreciate her perseverance, and they are also likely to regard her plan with open minds, regardless of the negative propaganda that will no doubt engulf us all. Ever since Harry S. Truman first proposed universal health care in 1948, the insurance industry has refused to create a system that would cover everyone, erecting instead a nightmarish edifice of corporate bureaucracy, unaffordable waste and cruel exclusion.

Rather than rant against the constructive alternatives, let them—and their political mouthpieces—explain why we should continue to tolerate their failure.


http://www.observer.com/2007/dominant-hillary-scares-enemies
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:32 PM
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1. Dominant Hillary Scares Working Americans
At least this one, especially after that mandatory insurance comment that came out today.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:33 PM
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3. If I looked back would I see the same comment from you on Edwards plan...
Which after all also proposes mandatory insurance...a proposal that has enormous merit...
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fedupfisherman Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:40 PM
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8. BINGO!
Hillary can keep her plan
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:32 PM
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2. As someone else stated in another thread Hillary has hit a home run.
BTW, the bases were loaded.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:35 PM
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5. She really is a juggernaught, isn't she?
I've never seen a candidate like her, it's very exciting. No matter how much crap people throw at her, it only makes her stronger.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:37 PM
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7. Yes she is.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:47 PM
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30. Strong Lady.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:12 PM
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37. Nope, scary is more like it. n/t
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:03 PM
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39. Welcome to DU.
Matter of opinion.
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:56 PM
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13. Who, in this metaphor, were on base? (serious question)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:35 PM
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4. Are there corsets or riding crops involved in all of this?
I keed- I keed!

But it's true- she does scare our mutual enemies- I predict she will scare them into the Republican voting booths in droves.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:36 PM
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6. So thats a reason not to vote for her?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:55 PM
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12. It's one of many reasons I am reluctant to support her in the primaries.
If she wins the general, I swear to you that I will lend her the same proportion of support that DLCers gave to Ned Lamont againt Joe Liberman (I-3rd party)

Just kidding- I wont be a traitor to the party like they were. I'll actually support the nominee.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:44 PM
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9. Dems afraid of a crumbling repuke party and their dumb-ass
candidates are sorry losers

The demoralized republican base can't even get behind one of their own

They will not be motivated in large numbers to get out and vote against Hillary


Stop being brainwashed by idiot pundits

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:58 PM
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16. Believe that all you want. Edwards nor Obama will inspire disillusioned GOP voters to mobilize...
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 05:59 PM by Dr Fate
...in the same way the Clintons will.

But I will meet you half way and say that it is not the only reason not to support Hillary for the nominee.

I would just rather have an easier fight than if she is nominated.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:04 PM
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19. What Dem candidate won't they mobilize against?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:07 PM
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20. I believe it is a matter of degrees. Rush Limbaugh and Fox news can only do so much.
I know that we agree to an extent- but it is my opinion, based on YEARS of talking to Red-staters that no one inspires more get-up-and-go in Republicans than the Clintons.

I think with out the Clintons, more disillusioned pukes will stay home and stew in their own juices.

As I said, if she wins the nod, I hope to be dead wrong- but I wont be taking that chance based on contrary DLC & "centrist" memes.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:51 PM
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11. By your logic, dems shouldn't support gay rights because it will "scare" repigs into voting
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 05:51 PM by Lirwin2
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:56 PM
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14. DEMS should fully support gay rights? Tell that to the DLC and Southern Bluedogs, not me. n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:33 PM by Dr Fate
n/t
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:57 PM
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15. Dems should support gay rights, even if it "scares republicans into voting"?
Either disregard your last statement or clarify.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:03 PM
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18. LOL! It's weird- DLC "centrists" fully support Gay marriage all of a sudden!!!
I can hardly believe it.

In any event, let me clarify before you spin this into something I never said:

I truly believe that Hillary will inspire otherwise disillusioned right-wingers to find their way to the polls- and I dont believe that other candidates will have quite the same effect.

IF Hill wins the nod, I hope to be wrong- but I wont be taking that chance based on what you say.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:08 PM
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21. I have supporter gay rights all my life
That's generally happens when you're gay. The logic of your position is, anything that inspires right-wingers to go to the polls is bad. Therefore, we shouldn't nominate Hillary. Frankly, I want the best candidate for the job, I'm not going to go for second-best just because I might have a better chance of winning. But hey, I geuss I let my integrity stand in the way sometimes. You don't have that problem, apparently.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:16 PM
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23. Your metaphor would work better if the DLC majority actually supported Gay Marriage.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:20 PM by Dr Fate
I actually think we could make gay rights happen if the centrists and other nail-biters in our party were not too chicken-shit or too un-creative to frame it correctly, but that is your sub-off-topic-not mine. Start a thread about how the DLC supports Gay marriage and I'll be glad to contiune that sub-topic.


But back to the main topic- Hill's electability-
Allow me to correct what you said about my own opinions-I dont think that "anything" that inspires rightwingers to vote is always bad- I just think that a different nominee would do less of this reverse-inspiring.

I also happen to believe that some of the other candidates would do a better job than Hillary- I disagee that they are 2nd best to her.

We have an honest disagreement on both points- so be it.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:45 PM
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10. Yeah she's invincible just like Howard Dean!!
Yeeeeaaaaah!!!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:10 PM
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22. DLCers swore to us that Joe Lieberman was invincible in the CT primaires too.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:10 PM by Dr Fate
Of course, they did have their last laugh when they teamed with Bush Republicans, conservative independents and Fox news and did indeed elect their 3rd party candidate in the general.

I'm sure Harold Ford was very proud that day.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:02 PM
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17. Last night, I watched two wonderful films,
on the Turner Classic Movie Network, "The Fountainhead" 1949... Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal, gives a wonderful soliloquy on politics and the way things should be for Americans. Highly recommend... stump speech material galore in plain and simple meaningful phrases.

Also "The Washington Story" 1952...Van Johnson and Patricia Neal, dealing with a congress that was busy smearing Hollywood through the infamous Witch Hunts while also taking advantage of renewed interest in politics during a presidential election year. Interesting look at the old Congressional Buildings where the Senate had trams and the Reps had to beat feet.

My ears were burning last night after the Drudge/Yahoo thread..
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:18 PM
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24. Hill should follow Ayn Rand's "Fountainhead" huh? Interesting. n/t
n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:22 PM
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25. Actually, I was referring to Coopers speech..
in front of a jury. That, was awesome.

Where have you been Dr. Fate? You've been away a long time.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:26 PM
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27. I dont know if the speech in the movie adaption follow's Rand's text or not.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:27 PM by Dr Fate
It would be interesting to know.

And thanks for noticing that I was away- it's good to be missed-very polite of you to ask even though I was being somewhat antagonistic. I have been studying and taking the Bar- and I was in France all last week as well. If you feel compelled to, please, wish me luck on passing!!!!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:42 PM
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29. Yes, we've gone a round or two...I can't remember exactly for what reason..
IIRC...it involved someone eating a hat...IF.. but don't remember what the IF was...maybe you can.

Of course, I wish you oodles of LUCK on passing. Have you found a clerking position yet?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:49 PM
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32. Yes- sort-of-and thanks again.
I am doing Wills and Trusts for a major charity.

Thanks for the well wishes- I'll strive to have as much class as you, even though we may disagree from time to time...

Best to you in all you do as well.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:04 PM
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34. Excellent-
and don't forget, when you get your results +- let us know.

We'll be mentally rooting for you and the agony to be over asap.

Best Wishes!!!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:23 PM
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26. "regardless of the negative propaganda..."
...on DU and elsewhere.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:28 PM
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28. Facts as well as honest opinions can often be negative, and certainly be construed as propaganda...
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:30 PM by Dr Fate
...on DU and elsewhere.

And before I'm accused of agreeing with right-wing media, I am talking certain facts and opinions here- the ones held by the DEMS who support other candidates.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:48 PM
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31. Joe Conason Is NOW SCARING ME!!! n/t
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:49 PM
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33. she scares me because I don't want a republican vs republican race
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:10 PM
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35. ill second that motion
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:11 PM
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36. With all her experience, its her decision making that scares me.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:27 PM
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38. She's definitely in a stronger position because of her experience.
I believe she would be the most effective President. Much more effective than Obama or Edwards.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:48 PM
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40. um
"she will not be defeated so easily by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries as she and her husband were the last time they tried to reform the dysfunctional American medical system."

that's because they are her biggest donors. for pete's sake...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:57 PM
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41. The image of her as a Domme is indeed horrifying.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:00 AM
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42. I don't think David Bonior is afraid of Hillary Clinton.
I don't think the Obama campaign is afraid of Hillary Clinton.

I don't think the Biden campaign s afraid of Hillary Clinton.

Etc. and so on and so forth like that.

She's ahead now.

With many long weeks prior to the first votes this January for our next president.

I wish her the best. But I'm supporting another candidate.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:04 AM
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43. Why would the insurance and pharmecutical industry be scared?
All they need to do is get her to pass the health care mandate, while blocking all the reforms to lower the price and cover every one, and they're on the gravytrain as everyone in America is mandated to consume their "product".
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:36 AM
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44. Sell out to the insurance companies, and OF COURSE you won't get defeated by them! n/t
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Steve_in_California Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:49 AM
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45. Hillary is a 14-carat phony.
In 1999, I sent Hillary Clinton a 235-page report on the wrongful death of a Medicare patient at the hands of her doctors. Hillary was supposed to be working on a health care proposal at the time. Instead of making use of the report, she sent it back with a letter stating, coldly, she was "not interested in such matters."
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