Why all the angst, we all know it is going to be Hillary and Mitt. These two will produce the best

[CK_John]

ratings since JFK vs Nixon. Mitt has the jock thing going for him, looks but dumb as rocks, and a made in america religion to defend. She has to prove that a woman can be president.

This is what the general public wants and all the media exec's are praying for.

Please bookmark for next Sept.

[Cleita]

1. Well I agree with you about the media execs.

However, it's not what America wants.

[CK_John]

3. You overestimate the public awareness. n/t

[emilyg]

9. Please don't speak for America.

[antigop]

26. Thank you, Cleita! We don't need corporatists like sHillary! n/t

[jmp]

2. Republicans can't win without a solid South.

And the south will not vote for a Mormon. I have a better chance of being the GOP nominee than Mitt does.

[CK_John]

6. You overestimate the south. n/t

[saltpoint]

21. I think it would be exciting if we could pluck a couple or three Southern

states away from the Republicans, and same for the West -- say, Colorado, New Mexico, and Montana.

The greater fundie Protestant misgiving with Romney (if he becomes the GOP nom) the better our chances in the South, and the more the Republicans have to fight for the South, the less cash they have to spend in Missouri and Pennsylvania.

I'd like us to put them up against the ropes in all regions.

[dugggy]

22. We will know in 3 short months if Mitt is the nominee

HRC is in like flynn.

[illinoisprogressive]

4. What is happening now doesn't mean it will stay the same in Jan.

[illinoisprogressive]

5. besides, I refuse to let the msm tell us who to vote for and decide our primaries

[TwilightGardener]

7. He's got the only wife who's suitable for First Lady. I'll bet any money that

will count for more than we would expect among GOPers. As Thompson appears to be rotting on the vine, and Rudy is stalled, Mittens may well win the first two primaries and be on his merry way.

[quiet.american]

8. Sad, but true. n/t

[nevergiveup]

10. Romney is the perfect GOP candidate

Male, white, good looking, smooth, boring and he has a good relationship with Jesus. No doubt in my mind that he gets the nod. A debate between him and Hillary would work better than Ambien

[Riktor]

11. You Forgot...

... his willingness to say just about anything to get elected.

[Cleita]

13. Not only that, they probably would both be on the same page.

It could be like the debate between Dick Cheney and Joe Lieberman in 2000. The were soooo in love with each other back then.

[dugggy]

23. Debate ends with a hug and a kiss LOL

[gateley]

12. I'd heard a lot of MSM positive stuff about Romney -- how he was doing in

the polls, etc., but I just saw a poll (how many zillions of polls are there, anyway?) where he wasn't making a very good showing. I don't think he was first in any of the categories. Behind Giuliani and Thompson, if I recall correctly.

It would be the MSM wet dream -- the two perfect people going toe-to-toe. Hillary would eat him alive in a debate.

[EVDebs]

14. Don't Mormons believe the Second Coming is going to be near Kansas City ?

"Building of the New Jerusalem

Near the time of the coming of Jesus, the faithful Saints will build a righteous city, a city of God, called the New Jerusalem. Jesus Christ himself will rule there. (See 3 Nephi 21:23–25.) The Lord said the city will be built in the state of Missouri in the United States (see D&C 84:3–4).

These are only a few of the signs that the Lord has given us. The scriptures describe many more."

http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b3bc55cbf541229058520974e44916a0/?vgnextoid=32c41b08f338c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=f89a7befabc20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____

[saltpoint]

20. Not a bad spot, all told. Excellent barbecue down that way...

[EVDebs]

33. So does Mitt believe that DC will be destroyed in a nuke attack or something ?

Bush was talking to Chirac about Gog and Magog awhile back, his Armageddon views leading to Iraq it seems:

"In 2003 George W. Bush told French President Jacque Chirac that he was going after Gog and Magog in Iraq. Chirac should help Bush destroy them! Chirac had never heard of Gog and Magog, so his advisers called University of Lausanne theology professor Thomas Römer for an explanation.

Römer referred them to the Book of Ezekiel, and it makes very interesting reading."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/20/181525/962

Does Mitt have similar 'end times' views ?

[saltpoint]

34. I hope not. One end-times lunatic is PLENTY per a given lifespan.

We need a string of secular humanists in the Oval Office after 8 years of fundie-driven Bush.

[OHdem10]

15. Keep and eye on Gingrich

AmericanSolutions.dom

He is giving a press release on Monday

He orchestrated the Rout of 94 and there is no way he is
not going to fight to keep GOP in power.

If he does not run, he will be full speed ahed behind the scenes

[grasswire]

16. don't take your eye off Huckabee

I believe it's possible that he's the dark horse, running under the radar right now but perhaps with Karl Rove at his side. He's got the same kind of appeal that Bush had when Rove marketed him. Why would Repugs want to show us their likely candidate at this time, when they could keep him on ice and then gin things up later.

[TwilightGardener]

18. LOL! He is missing some sort of big Repub forum in Michigan, because

doofus didn't book a commercial flight in time, and his campaign can't afford to get him a private or chartered flight--Huckabee released a statement blaming new campaign finance laws for not being able to afford to get there. (The top tier candidates will make it, of course.) That doesn't sound like a first-class operation--sounds like he's running on empty. Conservatives don't like him or trust him that much, either. He might get VP, if he hangs in there, though.

[sandnsea]

17. What a sad commentary

on this country.

When was the last time the Republicans put up an intelligent President anyway? Eisenhower doesn't count because he wasn't really affiliated when he ran. I guess Nixon was smart, but nuts. How do they get credit for leadership. :crazy:

At least Dem Presidents can govern, even if I don't always like the way they do it.

[saltpoint]

19. Edwards versus Giuliani. Gore versus Gingrich. Obama versus Romney.

Biden versus Huckabee.

Richardson versus McCain.

Kucinich versus Paul.

_ _ _

We don't know a damn thing yet, really.

Iowa Democrats get first crack at our ticket for 08. It's going to be a wild one.

[CK_John]

24. No big ratings bump with these groupings. n/t

[saltpoint]

31. France sets the pace. There was Dubya and Rummy holding France up to

public scorn for their refusal to back the Iraq disaster, and then French voters turning out in excess of 80% in their recent presidential election.

When it comes to participatory democracy, there seems to be a whole lot of it in France, no matter what the Republicans here tell us.

Republicans here aren't republicans at all.

[sampsonblk]

25. Mitt is at 7%, that's why

Edit: The GOP is going to have to find itself a candidate. Romney, Giuliani and McCain are apparently non-starters. They have all been in the race for quite a while and few have warmed to either of them.

Someone has to win. But not any of these guys.

[CK_John]

27. If the CEO's called central casting for a GOP candidate, Mitt would show up. n/t

[sampsonblk]

28. Mitt is a Mormon. He won't win.

A good chunk of the GOP electorate thinks he's satanic. How is that going to work?

Edit: Links

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/mormons.htm


"The Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah, was built to honor Satan, inside and outside. For the person who knows Satanic symbolism, the very outside of the Temple proves that Mormonism serves Lord Satan. No Christian symbols decorate the walls of the Mormon Temples..."
http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=939

"Facts Mormons Won't Tell"
http://www.macgregorministries.org/mormons/facts.html

The GOP absolutely cannot survive without their fundie activists.

[CK_John]

29. The RW has shown an amazing flexibility when their icons stray from their talking points. Also

Mitt can play the made in the USA religion card. Please don't confuse RW talking points with RW marching orders. The GOP is a top down organization and the lower rungs may not like it but they will go along as told.

[sampsonblk]

30. Not on this one.

[saltpoint]

32. Actually, yes, on this one. Romney is very good at blurring the screen.

He leads in organization and polling in Iowa and New Hampshire.

There will be misgivings in the South among GOP primary voters, perhaps. But Giuliani, a cigar-chomping northeast liberal pro-choice big-city mayor who lived with two gay guys after a messy public divorce enjoys considerable Southern support from GOP Protestants who describe themselves as likely to vote in their party's primary.

The key will be South Carolina. Thompson at the top of the dung pile for just now, but let's see how Catholic Rudy and Mormon Mitt do there this fall.

Could be a big shift at hand.

Also it would be worthwhile to keep an eye out on Sam Brownback's Iowa groundgame. He ALMOST beat Huckabee in the recent Iowa straw poll. A few thousand votes separated them. If he beats Huckabee in the January caucus, Brownback will put further pressure on the 3 or 4 GOP "leaders" and make any Republican effort in the South more complex.

[ChiciB1]

36. My Reply Was To The Original Post... Not About Romney...

JUST THAT THE FIX IS IN!! MSM is working overtime, and THEY want Hillary! I DON'T and don't know this country anymore! It sure ain't a Democracy, that's for sure!

And yes, I DO know we were founded as a Republic, but there once was a time when it's PEOPLE counted!

[ChiciB1]

35. I KNOW What You're Saying... I Say It Too... But I Sure Wish It

wasn't so! In my heart I know we have some very good candidates, but it DOES seem that the "powers that be" have made the decision for us!

I'll keep working hard for my choice, but if it's Hillary & Mitt or Rudy... see ya!

[depakid]

37. The corporate media is praying for it alright

No matter who won that match up, they'd be free to keep abusing the public trust with impunity.

[ToeBot]

38. And the thought of President Mitt is about the only thing that would get me to the polls...

should Sen. Clinton be the Democratic nominee. No, I won't vote for her, but I'll show up to vote against Romney.

[smalll]

39. I pretty much agree with your prediction -

Hillary is a lock for us. The Republicans are so much more in flux, but when it comes down to it, I think it's Mitt, if only because he's not totally as hopeless as every other Republican. Plus, looks count; they REALLY count. But even if they pick their best option, they're still stuck with a nominee that will drive away too many evangelicals for being a Mormon! (And too many animal people -- Mr. and Mrs. America don't yet know about the dog on the roof, if he gets the nomination, they'll learn!)

It really is Hillary all the way to the White House. If they nominate anyone else, it will be even more of a walk-over for the Hillster. Game, set and match. The End. Fini.