Advantage Clinton in Florida Primary Flap

[babylonsister]

http://www.cqpolitics.com/2007/09/craig_crawfords_trail_mix_adva.html

Craig Crawford’s Trail Mix: Advantage Clinton in Florida Primary Flap
By Craig Crawford | 11:50 AM; Sep. 24, 2007

It might be an unintended consequence, but Florida Democrats boosted Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid over the weekend by announcing they will defy national party leaders and stick with a Jan. 29 primary.

As a result, the Democratic National Committee will punish Florida for leapfrogging the calendar, refusing to seat the state’s delegation at the nominating convention. And the leading candidates agreed to boycott campaigning for Florida’s renegade primary, a move urged by party officials in early-voting states such as Iowa and New Hampshire.

This boycott means that Clinton’s rivals will have no chance to undercut the New York senator’s runaway lead in Florida polls: She was ahead of the field by 29 percentage points in the latest Quinnipiac University survey released Sept. 13.

When an expected 2.5 million Democrats vote in Florida’s primary, it might be just a “beauty contest,” but it looks like Clinton will be its queen.

Related thread about FL:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3542734

[madfloridian]

1. WELL, actually...

there are other views of that.

She is really under pressure to win here now. More than ever.

A lot are angry and won't vote in the primary.

It is a Hillary state from the point of view of the Florida leadership, for sure.

[Kagemusha]

2. Why would this be "unintended"?

Someone explain that one to me.

[madfloridian]

3. Not unintended.

Intended.

But it will mean she must win here.

[flyarm]

6. Hillary and the DLC should be on warning..those who know what has gone on will put up a fight

and include me in that fight!

this is bullshit and totally manipulated..and it will backfire ..unless the plan is to totally steal Fla for Hillary..

i know too many dems ..good hard working dems who will now never vote for Hillary..and will do all they can to unseat those who think they have power in the FDP and have manipulated this bullshit for hillary and the DLC!

and those who have supported this bullshit will not be safe in their seats as well..( can you hear me Bill Nelson?????)

fly

[flyarm]

4. DON'T COUNT ON THAT LEAD HOLDING ,..many of us dems in Fla are pissed..

pissed at Karen Thurman..pissed and bill nelson..and pissed at the FDP...and we will not let the DLC Karen Thurman STEAL OUR PRIMARY AND OUR VOTES AND ELECTION..AND WE WILL NOT GIVE HILLARY THE ADVANTAGE!

we know this was planned and executed by the DLC and Rahm Emmanual...and the DLC..and if you want to see the same angry dems take it out on our own..you will see that now!

yes the same karen Thurman who took $35,000. from republican lobbiest..and the same Karen Thurman and Rahm who fucked our nov2006 election against great dem candidates and put repugs in to run primaries against our great dems..we get it Karen and Rahm..we get it..and we will shove it down your throats!

we are mad and we get it..

and Karen you have now being asked to resign..by many in the party...and i will stand with those demanding you resign!..you Karen have had conference calls..and meetings and excluded members of the sec and other office holders..and you will self destruct ..and have..

we will not allow you to republicanize our party any longer in Fla..we will revolt..and we will take our party back from you!



fly... a 2004 elected Dem Delegate for the state of Florida.

[babylonsister]

5. I like your passion, fly!

I'm listening to MSNBC now; we should all be very wary when * claims Clinton has the election in the bag, or close to it. Now WHY would he say that? The pundit (Ken Walsh) says to be wary, too.

[wyldwolf]

7. sounds like you have an itty bitty mad bunch you're hanging out with

[madfloridian]

8. You are absolutely ugly to everyone, aren't you?

It is unbelievable.

What a rude comment.

[wyldwolf]

10. how else could he/she get such a skewed and inaccurate view?

[Cha]

14. "Inaccurate" because you say

say so?

[wyldwolf]

Inaccurate because there is no evidence to support it.

we know this was planned and executed by the DLC and Rahm Emmanual...and the DLC..

Really? How do they KNOW this?

[flyarm]

19. because i get all the internal emails,..because i know who has been pushing who and by who.

..and i have been watching this be set up by the FDP for over a year now.

Because i know what was done by the DLC to many of our great dem candidates over a year ago for the 2006 election..many candidate i worked directly with.

fly

[wyldwolf]

20. well, then, produce those mysterious "internal e-mails."

[flyarm]

26. ..i said i will not ...name names........

who the hell are you?????? you think you know it all in Fla..bring it on ...i said i was an elected dem delegate in 2004..who and what are you in fla politics?

i owe you nothing..i do however have full confidence of those who do work in the dem party in Fla..

and i have their trust,...

who's trust do you have??????

oh yeah..i got it..

lol

end of discussion.

fly

[madfloridian]

31. There is stuff going on.

You may not like it but there is.

Leave flyarm alone on this.

[wyldwolf]

33. 'there is "stuff" going on' LOL!

[madfloridian]

34. Go ahead and laugh and act like a bully.

People catch on after a while.

[wyldwolf]

35. cue up Twilight Zone music...

[madfloridian]

37. Continue. People see what is going on.

.

[wyldwolf]

38. paranoia is actually a good thing when everyone's against you... check behind the curtains.

...it's the DLC!

[flyarm]

15. considering i got the highest number of votes as a delegate for my large fla county..i would say you

know little of Fla politics..and since i helped run one of the biggest Kerry Campaign offices in Fla in 2004..yes indeed i would say you know little of the Fla political field.

inaccurate? i think not...


i know all our dems in office and they know me..since i am one of the highest donators in my area of Fla.

and i am the first one they come to when they need $$$$$$$$$$

fly

[wyldwolf]

17. yes, inaccurate... unless you have the evidence to support this charge:

we know this was planned and executed by the DLC and Rahm Emmanual...and the DLC..

Hm? Didn't think so.

[Cha]

21. I'd put my trust in flyarm over

the dlc, rahm, and the senator clinton who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw her.

[wyldwolf]

24. I'm sure you would. We'll talk again after Clinton wins Florida...

...and she insists the delegates be recognized.

[Cha]

28. Oh yeah, they're just salivating and frothing

at their collective mouth to show their superior assholiness.

[wyldwolf]

29. "salivating and frothing" LOL!

:)

[flyarm]

22. i will not put people's names out here..i don't have to..but those who have worked within

the dem party for a long time know exactly what i am saying and they know it for fact.

Many of our great dem candidates have now left the party after Nov 2006..because of how they were fucked by the DLC..not just last year but for numerous years now.

fly

[wyldwolf]

25. of course not. Delete the names. But provide the sources for the info

... hysterical watching "progressives" go rabid over "DLC/Emanuel" red meat.

[flyarm]

27. i can not because the email i got this morning is internal SEC letter to Karen Thurman.

if you want to see it privately fine..i will not post it on a message board.It is internal Dem party info.

fly

[madfloridian]

36. No, the email should not be posted w/o names just to suit you.

Sorry. but there is a time for everything.

[flyarm]

9. oh i would say it is a bigggg bunch!!

i run an intgernet group in fla..and i do not see one happy camper right now!!

oh and i housed the Kerry field rep in 2004 for 3 counties on the west coast of Fla....so i have prob the biggest email list on the entire west coast of Fla..or the most heavily populated. And there are not many happy campers among those who actually do all the work!..of course except those heavily tied to the DLC...

but most of them are not the workers!! They just run their mouths!

fly

[wyldwolf]

12. then use your "vast" network to back your charges (intuition doesn't count)

[flyarm]

16. i don't have to and i won't put others names here..i know what i know and i also

know a call has gone out this morning to have Karen Thurman summit her resignation.

fly

[wyldwolf]

18. Of course you don't because you can't.

[flyarm]

23. I won't because they have complete trust in me..more than i can say about others in the dem party

tied to the DLC in Fla.

fly

[fooj]

43. Interesting.

Remember, the greatest conspiracy is that there is no conspiracy.

Where's YOUR evidence that PROVES Hillary will win Florida and she will insist delegates are seated at the convention? Again, I ask "Where's YOUR evidence?" Talk about the "Twilight Zone"...

That crystal ball certainly contains some powerful info, doesn't it? But, then again, if it's the same crystal ball that B*sh made his "questionable" prediction from...that may explain just about everything. Thanks for that and have yourself a wonderful day.:smoke:

[madfloridian]

30. Let it alone WW...there is a lot going on. I could name some names as well.

But it is not the thing to do.

Karen Thurman needs to go and make room for a chairman who will care about us and not so much about Bill Nelson.

[Cha]

11. Oh Fly, I feel your anger!

Encouraging to know there are people like you and mad down there in Florida fighting the dlcers..how freakin' insidious they're trying to be.

This country needs a good shake up and that won't happen with hillary and the dlc with business as usual!

[cobalt1999]

32. I'm curious

I'm pretty active up here in the panhandle and no one seems upset about this. Of course this part of the state is a lot different than other parts, but most of the irritation has been directed towards the DNC up here.

[flyarm]

40. because Karen Thurman and dlc company have put that forward..

they told people to be quiet ..just like they told us to shut up about the voting machines prior to the election in 2004...

its all part of their manipulation.

i have sat quiet in the past..i thought i had to because i was elected to represent the people of my county ..and party..but no more..no siree..i will speak out for just that reason now..because people voted for me to represent them...i will not be quieted by people who are deliberately manipulating the party.

fly

[cobalt1999]

41. I'm no Karen Thurman fan

However, I am happy the primary system is breaking down. I only wish Florida had done this in 2004.

[flyarm]

42. it is too big a state to lose delegates from!!

and no candidates can now come into the state ..where is democracy then????????

and the primaries were lost last year when we had great dems running for office and unchallanged and the DLC came in and put up candidates who changed parties..yes changed parties.. 6 weeks before the primaries and got all the FDP money.

screwing our great dem candidates.

enough is enough!

are we elected dems or are we just stuffing our party with repig infiltraitors..who sign on to the DLC?????????


well i will tell you the repigs who got the dem money to change parties and were given a love fest by the DLC and The top of the FDP..are not people who hold the same democratic values i have held for an entire lifetime!

fly

[Cha]

13. Recommend this PLEASE!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[sniffa]

39. why?

:shrug: