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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 11:59 AM Original message |
The "Sensible Center" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. very sensible |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Maybe it seems safe for the GE... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. many think centrism is meaningful. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I don't consider Bush a centrist. nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. neither do I |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. No, I'm sick of the Blue Dog Dems too... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. well, there seems to be a big difference in what you're sick of and who keeps getting elected. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Perhaps now that voters can see what Dem caution has amounted to... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. you forgot to add "IMHO" to your reply |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Lol...where's your IMHO? nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. for what? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 06:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
119. Centricism is just a code name for cowards and far right enablers |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. How well is the center informed on issues? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. very |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Disagree. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. uh... ok |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 06:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Statistics have shown that the percentage of people |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. And those who get their info from the msm... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Where are these statisitics and where has what you assert been shown? |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. Here are a few |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. how does that show liberals and "progressives" are better educated? |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-27-07 05:55 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. What or who is a "Centrist"? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Good point... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. what point? He asked a question. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Don't be a dolt... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Stay on topic, dear. The point is politicians, not the electorate |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. No offense, but you seem too desperate to get one candidate elected... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. no offense, but you seem offended I won't follow you through your twists and turns |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. No twists and turns... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. all throughout your replies. You can't seem to stay on one subject. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Hate to shock you, but the "sensible center" isn't just about... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. but your thread was about candidates. So why did you want to divert from that direction? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. "But is it really so sensible to keep hugging that center line???" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. you're reference was "Evan Bayh said on MSNBC today that Senator Clinton is seeking out the..." |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes, that was the intro... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Intros do typically set up the thread. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Oooooh, touchy! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. That would be you. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Not so... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. totally so. You chose to toss two invectives my way before I responded. It usually only takes one |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. hey, if people want more liberal candidates |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Seems like most liberals have given up entirely. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I've heard the same thing from liberal college students... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
19. Is the "sensible center" going to bomb Iran? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. before you switch off your crystal ball, get those winning lottery numbers for me, ok? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. Typical Republican put-down response. nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. typical "progressive" 'avoid the subject' reaction |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. The subject was Iran... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. of which Madfloridian made a "prediction." Hence, the Crystal Ball |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Like when you insist that Hillary will get the nomination?? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Care to quote me ever insisting that. You give ME a break (snicker!) |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It sure does look like that's the plan... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yes, it does. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
69. Supposedly Bush and Cheney are determined to bomb Iran... |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. The Senseless Center |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. So true |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Exactly! |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. You do not understand Centrists, that is plain. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. What makes you think the majority of Americans are in the center? |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Labels can be moved without their objects following suit |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It's not better to see who gets elected, IMO, because there are |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Look at the entire name: "Sensible Center" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Hahaha... okay, I get ya... |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Doh! Duplicate. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. As to who gets elected |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
29. It's where most voters are... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It's where we're told most voters are... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. it's where most voters are |
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tulip (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
68. yep! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
96. What makes you think so? |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. A nice feel-good, fact-free assertion with nothing to back it up |
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nealmhughes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
38. Might the "Sensible Center" be cognate with the "Motionless Middle?" |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Yep... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. IMO the "sensible center" is a MYTH. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. "corporatocracy" |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
51. All I know is that sensible shoes are a lot more comfortable than |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Right now I'd say that Republican Lite Dems are the ones wearing the pumps... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
97. Who gives a shit about legislative cooperation, when you can get $$$$? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
57. Staking a claim on sensibility implies that those who disagree with you are not sensible |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Someone needs to tell that to Evan Bayh... |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. Sorry Evan, Hillary will end up just like your Dad, an early frontrunner who flamed out. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. want to make a bet on that? |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. History isn't on Hillary's side, though. Early frontrunners on the Dem side who are not incumbents |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. well, as Obama's people are fond of saying... |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Not right now, but I may want to make a bet in the coming weeks |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
73. Debunking "Centrism" -- read, learn, understand |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Perhaps it should be called the "Sell-Out Center" nt |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yep. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Debunking "Debunking Centrism" - Read, Learn, Understand |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. HA! "latest attack?" HA! HA! It's from December, 2004! N/T |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. HA! So was the article you posted!! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. EXACTLY! That's what I was referring to! Sorry you didn't get it. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I did get it. You posted a 3 year old article and found it funny I posted a 3 year old rebuttal. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. NOPE. Nice try. You still don't get it. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. no, sorry. That's exactly it. You posted 3 year old lie-infested typical Sirota piece... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. HA! HA! You are too funny! n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I'm also completely correct. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
116. No, you still don't get it -- that's what's so funny! n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Yup, Yglesias was another who backed war with Iraq. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. which doesn't alter the fact he debunked Sirota's lies in the "Centrism" article |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. True enough... just pointing out that he's a bit of an idiot. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. But at least he's an honest one. |
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riqster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
117. The article says what I and others have said: |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
81. Was Iraq sensible? Shipping the economy overseas? Etc. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Be sure to see post #73.... n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
87. Behind the DLC Takeover --Democratic Leadership Council |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. the very first paragraph of that piece states Al Gore infiltrated the Democratic party |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Too bad-- so sad. Many on DU know about the DLC. n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. too bad so sad for them, then, that they get such distorted information. Hey... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Your slip is showing...and do you need to check your blood pressure? n/t |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Hey, tell us how Al Gore infiltrated the Democratic party... (snicker) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Hey folks, I gotta go...I'm not paid to post on DU all day..got work to do n/t |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
99. Since Biden and many other Democrats have voted |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
100. I heard that and cringed. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Remember - Warner and Kaine were running in a Red state... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. That's a point. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
109. "sensible center" is an Oxymoron |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
110. thats where most of us are. nt. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-26-07 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
114. Depends on the issue... |
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120. "There's nothing in the middle of the road but |
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