Nader's history of violent tactics to collapse US society from 1977

[LoZoccolo]

"If they don't close these (nuclear) reactors down, we'll have civil war in five years." -- Ralph Nader in 1977

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm

To the lurking Naderite splinterists: this is a violent quote from your guy. You think you can appear as if you are peaceful people, but face it, if you are on Nader's side, you share in the bloodlust of his tactics. You do the bidding of a man who's twisted strategy involves violent war throughout this nation! If you weren't, you wouldn't be so willing to unleash your Republican attack dogs on the people of this nation to punish people for not being as "progressive" as you. The Republicans are simply the cat's paw you use to keep your own hands clean while advancing a despicable violent agenda.

I am 100% against this strategy, of course, and 100% against Nader, because I believe in peace.

[robinlynne]

1. umm. Nader isn't running.

[LoZoccolo]

3. I predict he will.

He has a book to sell, and also, if he didn't, that would be admitting that his previous runs were mistakes.

[...of J.Temperance]

13. Nader will run because....

Like with 2000 and 2004, his prime objective is to help get another Republican in the White House.

Let's face it, Nader works for the Republicans, no wonder so many Bush/Cheney campaign donors were falling over themselves to give the Nader campaign money, so it could be operational in ALL states.

Those who choose to cut off their noses to spite their faces, and vote for Ralph Nader, they're only helping Nader help his Republican cronies.

[stranger81]

2. dude, you need to get a grip.

This is the most ridiculous post I've read all morning.

[LoZoccolo]

5. People on this very board have stated that their Nader votes were intended...

...to collapse the nation. To me, that is a sick route to change.

[Forkboy]

27. Link?

[LoZoccolo]

34. It was a long time ago.

You can choose whether or not to believe me, but I saw it myself.

[ret5hd]

8. It's his schtick, let 'im be...

I've got my bad body odor and licey hair, you've got whatever it is you've got, and he's got Nader.

Whatever it takes to get us noticed in this world, right?

[ret5hd]

4. dooga dooga dooga dooga dooga?

[LoZoccolo]

6. Thank you to all my fans!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=9382

[endarkenment]

7. Clinton's history of corruption, from the same source.

A Criminal Hill-Raiser

Hillary calls her big donors -- the ones who not only donate the maximum, but "bundle" (corral) max donations from dozens of friends, like Bush's Rangers -- her Hill-Raisers. At least one of them is a flat-out criminal.

Norman Hsu was one of Hillary's biggest fundraisers -- raising over $850,000 for her -- right up to the day he surrendered to California State Superior Court on a Grand Theft conviction; he had been a fugitive from justice for 15 years, since he failed to appear for sentencing after pleading no contest. His crime was raising over a million dollars from investors for a business scheme that didn't exist. (Hsu also gave $18,000 to Barack Obama, and $37,000 to Bill Richardson.) After Mr. Hsu's colorful background became public, Clinton's campaign donated his direct contributions -- and later those of the people he bundled -- to charity.)


Phony Commodity Options Profit

In 1978, with no prior experience, Hillary Clinton started trading high risk commodities futures under the guidance of James Blair, a friend. Blair was also an experienced trader who was outside counsel to massive Arkansas chicken processor Tyson Foods (which had business before Bill Clinton, then the governor of Arkansas.) Hillary did very well, improbably well, even given the fact that a major bull market was going on. One possibility, hinted at by trading records from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, is that Blair traded for her and manipulated results to put money in Hillary's pocket. For example, a trader might make a large number of trades in a single day, for themself and for clients. Some of them will do well and some will fail. Instead of allocated the trades between various clients as originally intended, a trader like Blair could reassign all of the successful trades to one client (such as Clinton) and assign the losers to himself, or another client. That way, he would effectively pay her the money without worry about laws against payoffs.


Whitewater and the Missing Billing Records

Whitewater was a real estate development in Arkansas that Bill and Hillary lost money in when it went south. Their partners, Jim and Susan McDougal, also owned a savings and loan association (Madison Guaranty) that hired Hillary and her firm, the Rose Law Firm. When the S&L failed, costing taxpayers over $65 million, the Whitewater vacation development collapsed.
The 3 Whitewater special prosecutors, after 6 years and $40 million worth of investigation, concluded that "This office has determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct ... or knew of such conduct." Hardly a ringing declaration of innocence. Hillary stated 99 times under oath in 1996 that she did not recall what work she did for Madison Guarantee. Kenneth Starr, the second special prosecutor had subpoenaed her billing records from Madison, and she reported that she couldn't find them. Two years later, the records turned up in the White House family residence under circumstances that Hillary has never been able to explain. The records showed that she met 15 times with Arkansas businessman Seth Ward concerning Whitewater, but she and Ward denied rememberin any of that.



http://www.realchange.org/hillary.htm

[aquart]

9. And you put this here, why?

[endarkenment]

11. Why not?

[LoZoccolo]

10. Same source?

What?

[endarkenment]

12. What?

http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm
http://www.realchange.org/clinton.htm
What?

[...of J.Temperance]

14. What MORE Clinton bashing?

The woman is a Democrat, you're meant to support her, not bash her....Senator Clinton doesn't need to really worry about the Right-Wing bashing and smearing her, afterall, she's got ENOUGH from the Left of the party who despise her and bash and smear her on a daily basis.

Then you choose to post something that the Right-Wingers are still obsessing about....fact is the Clinton's were NEVER charged with ANYTHING.

What next, I suppose you'll post about how Hillary had Vince Foster murdered?


On Edit: Dammit spelling error

[ret5hd]

15. Hey, it's either a reliable source or not.

Don't like Nader, don't like HC, so i got no horse in this race. But it is either a reliable source or it isn't. Which is it?

[...of J.Temperance]

17. The thread is about Ralph Nader NOT about Hillary Clinton

So why in response to something about Nader, did you choose to take the opportunity to post trash about Hillary?

[ret5hd]

19. "I" posted nothing of the sort...Is the source reliable or not? don't avoid the question.

[...of J.Temperance]

21. Sorry, my mistake, I apologize for the misunderstanding

I realize that you were questioning realchange.org.

[On the Road]

20. It Was Meant to Discredit the Source of the Information

not discredit Hillary Clinton.

[...of J.Temperance]

22. I just apologized

I misread his intention.

[LoZoccolo]

23. Whether or not something's a reliable source does not make it true or false.

It only makes it worthy of someone's attention, and that's a subjective judgement.

[ret5hd]

25. So i take it this site has met your personal criteria as worthy of your attention?

[LoZoccolo]

26. Only the page about Nader. n/t

[Forkboy]

28. Figures.

[ret5hd]

29. Selective hearing is the refuge of angry spouses and spoiled children...

and seeing as we've never met (much less had carnal knowledge) i guess we know which you are.

[LoZoccolo]

33. Name one person on this earth where you believe everything they say. n/t

[Bonobo]

16. Thanks! Normally you'd have to pay for comedy like this! Here's the best quote from LZ:

"if you are on Nader's side, you share in the bloodlust of his tactics. You do the bidding of a man who's twisted strategy involves violent war throughout this nation! If you weren't, you wouldn't be so willing to unleash your Republican attack dogs on the people of this nation to punish people for not being as "progressive" as you. The Republicans are simply the cat's paw you use to keep your own hands clean while advancing a despicable violent agenda."

Thanks for the peep into your mind. I think I understand you fully now.

[Forkboy]

30. Sort of like staring into the abyss, isn't it?

:)

[unpossibles]

18. that looks more like a prediction than a threat

did someone leave the door open in here last night?

[rucky]

24. Dammmmmn Youuuuuuu, Naderrrrrrrr!

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[martymar64]

35. Your obsession with Nader is unhealthy

You should seek help before we see in the news that you tried to shoot him or stab him.
That's how Hinckley got his start.

[LoZoccolo]

36. I will go if all the Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi people come with me. n/t