NPR Poll - Dems lead by 13 -- Hillary drags us down

[ProudDad]

Hillary's negatives exposed...

"The poll was conducted for NPR between Oct. 4 and Oct. 7, 2007"

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"Likely voters have grown even more pessimistic about the direction of the country, according to the bipartisan poll. Sixty-eight percent say the country is on the wrong track, while only 23 percent say it's heading in the right direction.

That's not a good sign for the Republicans as they try to convince voters to give them a third term in the White House, according to Stan Greenberg, the Democratic half of the polling team."

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"Greenberg points to the generic presidential ballot question. Among likely voters, 49 percent would select the Democratic candidate and 36 percent the Republican candidate if the election were held today.

"But when the names of actual candidates were plugged into the question — in this case the two national frontrunners — the spread narrows dramatically. Democrat Hillary Clinton leads Republican Rudolph Giuliani by 3 percentage points — 47 percent to 44 percent.

"And that's where Glen Bolger, NPR's Republican pollster, sees a silver lining.

"In this political environment, if the Democrats don't win the presidency, they should stop trying," Bolger says, adding that with that close of a margin, they risk losing to the Republicans."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15204497
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2007/oct/nprpoll/questionnaire.pdf

[SaveElmer]

1. Oops...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3602590

[rinsd]

7. Even better same poll shows Obama doing worse than Hillary

But its Hillary that will drag us down of course.

:eyes:

[saracat]

2. Dear god, we cannot afford Hillary.

[jgraz]

4. I don't care if she's up by 50 points over the Repugs. We still can't afford her.

28 years of conservative rule is enough. Time to end the party for the rich people.

[rinsd]

3. Curiously unmentioned is that Clinton fares better than Obama.

So perhaps Obama is unelectable :shrug:

[oasis]

5. What will "drag us down" is half-baked Democrats who refuse to accept the party's choice.(eom)

[robinlynne]

23. like Rahm Emmanuel? (Connecticut 2006)

[oasis]

27. Emmanuel engineered a spectacular victory for House Dems in 2006. Why pick on him?

[ginchinchili]

28. What will drag us down are Dems who haven't learned not to drink the Koolaid

Those "half-baked" Democrats you refer to are the true Democrats who are still able to think freely and objectively. Many of us like Bill Clinton (not all), but don't just slip into the anemic conclusion that Hillary should be president because we like Bill. It sidesteps objectivity and logic. She does great at fulfilling her own ambitions, but I've seen little to convince me that she has any passionate drive to fulfill America's needs. We can do better without risking this election and harm done to the Party.

[ShadowLiberal]

31. But if she gets the nomination we must drink the koolaid and get her in office

You sound like you aren't willing to vote for Hillary in the general election, I may be wrong, but to anyone who's unwilling to vote for Hillary in the general look at it this way. Which person would you rather have in office, a moderate under the democratic party, or a right winger under the republican party?

In my opinion not only would Hillary do more things we want her to do then the republican nominee (like nominating liberal judges to the Supreme Court instead of more right wing nut jobs), but because she's a democrat the democratic base would have some control over her and she'd have to listen to us some of the time to keep us happy if she wants to get relected, while a right winger under the Republican party wouldn't need to listen to a thing we say (unless congress could stand up to them, which face it, they're not going to have more luck at then we are now).

I'd probably give my vote to Obama in the primaries if it would actually matter by then, but regardless of who the democratic nominee is I'm supporting them and voting for them in the general election, we can't afford another right winger who's similar to Bush in office for another 4 or 8 years.

[ginchinchili]

32. If we can't afford another right winger in the WH, we'd better find another nominee

My conscience won't allow me to sanction the consequences of a Hillary nomination. I don't drink Koolaid.

[PATRICK]

6. With that margin

the centrist candidate should bow out and stop trying or let another less slighted member like Vilsack or Bayh and make a go for it. Endangering the party is just as serious as actually losing the election and the very likely result will be felt in the coattails and in achievable policy IF it is even pushed by the centrist
commitment. But no candidate has even considered the cost to the whole when the chance of personally winning really exists, because that viable chance vindicates their cause- enough. When they go down in red faced defeat or fraud(which will be the set in stone case in a close enough election) they will never consider they made a mistake and unfortunately the faction will not be made to pay a rational price for calculating personal success and ideology over party(ironically DLC weird ideology NOT leftist).

Once more I note how the GOP media slant put a likely fraudulent defeat as a death knell for the party with the best case and best chance to win and actually represent the people and the law. "Stop trying. Just give up. Lie down and die." Thanks NPR. Over your dead body.

[ProudDad]

8. Hillary's the one with "name recognition"

most folks still haven't heard from Obama or Edwards and CERTAINLY haven't heard from Kucinich (the only REAL democrat in the race)...

Most folks know that they either "like" hillary (but can't tell you why) or they LOATH her (and most can't tell you why they loath her either) but the loathers will DEFINITELY come out and vote against her and they outnumber the hard pro-clinton folk.

A few, like you, are fixated on her for some bizarre reason that obviously has nothing to do with her pro-corporate self and "policies" (well, SOME DUers are corporate tools too).

Most people won't pay any attention until just before each primary (a distinct minority) and Nov 1, 2008...

[antiimperialist]

10. Even among those familiar with Hil, Edwards and Obama, Clinton is the favorite

From mid-August:

[sundancekid]

36. funny how the more they know the candidates, the worst for Hil, the better for Obama

... goes to show ya that often times to know her is NOT to love her ...

if she is nominated, say hello to Pres. Giuliani - just IMHO

[William769]

16. How many times has Kucinich run for President? And no one has heard of him?

No one has heard of Edwards? Our Vice Presidential Nominee and Presidential nominee for the primary in 2004? WHen is Obama going to get name Recognition? after the Convention is over and he lost?

[antiimperialist]

9. Rasmussen today has Hil ahead of Trudy by 7%

If we look at the latest polls as a whole, and not just this NPR one, in which Hillary is leading GOP'ers anyway, we have teo concluded that she's in a very good position and would be very tough to beat.
Rasmussen release a poll today where she fares very well against Trudy and Thompson:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008_clinton_vs_giuliani_thompson

[ProudDad]

12. And the real difference between the two

is what???

They're both pro-corporate, semi-socially "liberal" (although gooliani is making right-wing noises for the faithful) tools of the establishment...

Couldn't fit a dime between them...


More from the YOUR poll:

"Obama is viewed favorably by 77% of Democratic voters, Clinton by 76%. This is the first time all year that anybody other than Clinton has had the most positive ratings within the party."

"Seventy-two percent (72%) of Democrats have a favorable opinion of Edwards"

Sounds like your queen is slipping...


She MUST be "beat". She represents more of the same-o, same-o corporate capitalist status-quo...

[antiimperialist]

13. You keep your favorability stats. I'll settle for the votes

When these favorability numbers translate into votes for Obama, get back to me. Voters are asked their vote intention, they mention Hillary, when it comes to Democrats. When they are asked about Democrat vs. Republican, Hillary wins in the last 6-7 polls I have seen.

I hope your polls don't change a bit.

[ProudDad]

14. But, she represents evil

just because she CAN "win", doesn't make it a good idea that she does...

[William769]

17. "But, she represents evil"

And you want to be taken seriously? :rofl:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. That's A Different Argument

You have a little "bait and witch" operation going on here...

[bvar22]

15. I'm curious,

why does someone with such a radical avatar and screen name support the most Consevative Capitalist of all the Democratic candidates?


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[sniffa]

11. see? hiLLary's gonna win!!

and no one can stop her. :woohoo:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. You Misrepresented The Article

NPR Poll: Bush Rating Weighs Down GOP Prospects


President Bush's job approval rating remains anemic, creating a big drag on the Republican Party, a new poll for NPR shows. Although the Democratic Congress is even more unpopular than the president, that's not leading voters to look at Republicans as the solution.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15204497


You misrepresented the article. Why would you mislead your friends?

[William769]

22. You need to ask why?

[incapsulated]

24. Use of the word "weigh" and "down"?

lol

Just take Hillary's name and fill it in where you see "Bush" and change "republican" to "democrat" and you have a perfectly fair representation of that article.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. anyone that supports any of those republican candidates has...

...something missing upstairs. Good God: they don't believe in evolution / global warming / or the constitution.

We cannot keep letting thosewhoshouldbeunderrocks running the country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. When You Look At ALL The Polls She Has A Much More Significant Lead

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008_clinton_vs_giuliani_thompson



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html



http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[Rowdyboy]

25. "Generic Democrat" always polls higher than anyone specifically...

Any of our Democratic candidates will beat any of their guys next year

[ginchinchili]

26. Repubs lead us into disasters, but also it continues to seem that Dems...

just can't seem to get their act together one way or the other. Our Party, and the country, have such a golden opportunity and it's looking increasingly like we're going to squander it on Hillary Clinton as we enable her power grab. She hasn't earned the presidency; she's not well qualified; and is an anathema to far too many Americans for the Democrats to make her their standard bearer. We risk losing this election for all the wrong reasons.

[LWolf]

29. She's certainly a drag on my optimism, my patience,

and and my motivation.

[ginchinchili]

30. I second that on all 3 well-chosen words.

[ima_sinnic]

33. my sentiments exactly--plus she just totally p!$$e$ me off (nt)

[Yael]

34. Ibid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Way To Misrepresent The Article

NPR Poll: Bush Rating Weighs Down GOP Prospects


Morning Edition, October 12, 2007 · President Bush's job approval rating remains anemic, creating a big drag on the Republican Party, a new poll for NPR shows. Although the Democratic Congress is even more unpopular than the president, that's not leading voters to look at Republicans as the solution.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15204497

When you have to lie about someone to make a point they already won...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. LOL

And if you wade through the twenty four pages of data you see Senator Clinton beats Rude(e) but Obama ties him...

Since I believe in honesty I will state that Obama beats Freddy by nine points and Hilary beats him by eight points...


DSB
President of the Democrats For Honesty Committee