Can the Hillary folks take a joke or do they lack a sense of humor. . .

[wndycty]

Obama makes a joke on Jay F'ing Leno, a joke, do you get it? A damned joke! And Hillary's supporters are offended because he made a joke at her expense. Hillary's supporters on the DU are running around trying to discourage, demoralize and mock the supporters of other candidates and acting is her nomination is inevitable, but the very minute Barack calls her out for acting like she has it locked up Hillary's DU supporters are outrage. Give me an f'ing break.

At this BS that the term "Mission Accomplished" should be reserved for Republicans, give me an f'ing break. The gloves seem to come off we people swing at Obama but when he is swings back Hillary's DU supporters want rules.

If Barack is unsuccessful in securing the nomination, I will gladly vote and work for Hillary. If Barack was not running she would be "my girl" (before the other faction that was advancing that Barack's referring to Michelle as "my girl" spouts off, Hillary is the one who told me and a national TV audience she was "my girl).

This is politics, grow up! Man (and woman) up! After July of next year we will all be on the same team and I want to know I'm running with a tough bunch!

[hedgehog]

1. But, but,but - Obama doesn't know how to fight back! He'll be crushed

by the Republicans! Only Hillary knows how to fight!



(Maybe the outrage is generated because it was such a direct hit - and funny enough to be repeated !)

[wndycty]

2. Oh they like to dish it out but they can't take it. . .its pretty darned laughable

:kick:

[rufus dog]

35. But, but, but,

Obama said he was going to run a different type of campaign and now he is picking on the anointed one!

[gateley]

3. We're all offended and uncomfortable when somebody makes a joke at our

candidate's expense. We're too used to being attacked for our beliefs and opinions, and I think it's become an automatic response that our hackles rise.

[wndycty]

4. You are right but the hypocrisy is that those who are most offended are the ones who dish it out

:kick:

[gateley]

11. The ones who are most offended are the ones whose candidate has been

the butt. We ALL dish it out. I do see your point, but I see theirs, too. And I be standing up for you if this were a Do Obama Followers Have a Sense of Humor thread. :hi:

[waiting for hope]

28. Try the three H's -

I see it all over here, not the haircut as much but the House and Hedge fund stuff still rears it's ugly head. I have responded with the six degrees of separation tale and it blows right over their heads, and then another poll gets thrown up for good measure.

[peacebird]

5. Are you sure we'll be on the same team after the primaries? I would vote for Obama, or any other Dem

EXCEPT HRC

If she is what we are given at the end of the day, I will write in Edwards, Obama, Dodd, Kucinich, or Gore. What I will NOT DO is vote for a rightwing corporatist like Hillary.

[wndycty]

9. What an idiot. . .don't bite your nose off to spite your face

:kick:

[peacebird]

21. Idiot? My - how supportive you are of other positions.. not!

I am unwilling to give my vote to HRC. She does not support my views. She voted FOR the IWR, she voted FOR the resolution re: Iran. She is far too hawkish for me and frankly I believe she is still a Goldwater Gal.

I do not like the fact she dances around what she will do for social security instead of addressing it straight up. I do not like the fact she dances around Iraq claiming that since she doesn't know what she'll inherit, so she can't say how she will deal with it.

VOTE FOR ME! TRUST ME! I WILL DO THE RIGHT THING! I just won't give you any idea what that might be til after the I win the nomination or election...

:eyes:

[Blashyrkh]

39. I support your intent to cast a ballot that you can defend to yourself..

A lot of people are going to have a bad taste in their mouths come Jan 09.

[johncoby2]

6. Yes.

[BeFree]

7. Say what?

But Hillary is a real Compassionate Conservative..... So where's the compassion from her supporters? Don't tell me it's all fake from her too.

[rinsd]

8. Why is he using it in memos to the press then

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3622406

More of that politics of hope......

[incapsulated]

10. lol

All supporters say it's an unforgivable distortion when their candidate is on the receiving end of what THEY ALL DO. But if their candidate dishes it out it is gods own truth, heh.

It's politics. It's a competition. It's not a church dance.

[wndycty]

13. Hillary is my girl but her supporters need to get a thicker skin. . .

. . .if she survives the primary Obama's little joke is nothing compared to what the GOP will throw at her.

[incapsulated]

14. I doubt she is losing sleep over it

Of course her supporters are annoyed. Obama supporters do the same thing when she gets a dig in. For you guys, this is personal. For the campaigns, it's just business, most of the time. I don't sense any real hostility. Yet. heh.

[wndycty]

15. Exactly. . .

:kick:

[monmouth]

12. The HRC crowd getting a little full of themselves.. No one has voted yet!!!!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. No, it was a bum rap, and not very effective.

Alls fair... that much is true. If he called her the wicked witch of the west it would be his perfect right. It's not that the line is "out of bounds", but that it doesn't cast Obama in a good light.

I had no problem with "If I looked at polls I would have supported the war five years ago like she did." It's a good line, and with an underlying truth. I complimented it in a thread... I think one of yours'

Calling her the Borg or a robot or cold all play to something real.

The Mission Accomplished line is different. It gets a laugh, but doesn't help Obama. It sounds like whistling past the graveyard... the sort of divorced-from-reality line I'd expect from a non-contender like Kucinich.

It attributes a Bush action to Clinton based on an underlying falsehood... it doesn't play on a truth about Hillary. Her tactic of inevitability is a disciplined, effective and competent campaign move, not a clueless fuck up.

It's just "Hillary=Bush" in a snide way, and not that she's conservative or a war-monger, but that she's a clown or incompetent. And he won't get any traction on the "Hillary is a fool" argument.

It also paints Obama as dumb. The joke back-fires because the joke itself is brash show of confidence... he's the Bush in the scenario.

He's not dumb, and he does not believe the message he's conveying. He knows the Clinton campaign is well planned, well executed and not likely to make gross tactical errors like taking a victory lap, not a keystone cops operation like the Bush defense dept.

I have a taste for good lines from anyone, but that one seemed like the canned material stand-up comics aim at dummies... it sounds funnier than it is.

[incapsulated]

20. Most people aren't analyzing it that much though

It's more like *zing* than a serious dig. Which is fine for Leno, really.

Inferring your opponent, even on a very subtle level, shares Bush's weaknesses, like arrogance, isn't a stupid move, whether you are a democrat or a republican at this point. He is the loser in the room.

Which is why it stings.

[wndycty]

22. Yup, Joe six pack is not over analyzing it. . .he is saying Obama got it right. . .

. . .and the fact that her supporters are still crying about it makes it sweeter.

[Tellurian]

25. Joe six pack is saying..."don't tell me this guy is related to Cheney and Bush"

ef....him and the horse he rode in on!

[durrrty libby]

30. Excellent post. Thank You It truly was a beyond dumb remark

:toast:

[Bitwit1234]

17. Bullshit...he has been slamming Clinton she her lead took off.

[wndycty]

18. What is wrong with him slamming her. . .

. . .she has been slamming him. . .or are the "rules" only supposed to apply to her.

[peacebird]

26. obviously - she's a "girl" so the boys can't slam her - it wouldn't be polite

:sarcasm:

her "bit" yesterday about how it was great at her age to have so many men paying attention to her was too "cute" by far... :puke:

HRC believes she is the heir apparent to bush... next on the throne, as it were.

She refuses to answer questions on social security or give her vision for a way out of Iraq. She wants us to take her as a leader when she has yet to LEAD. She waited til the Iraq war funding bill had enough votes to pass before she voted against it. Is that leadership?

But we're supposed to ignore her shortcomings because she has a "D" after her name.

:eyes:

[Tellurian]

29. I could give a rat's *ss.. but..

It's ebb n' flow, ebb n' flow...so when it's your turn control yourselves and stop with the threats and the advise for Hillary supporters. Unless, you guys aren't big enough to "suck" it up when it's your turn!

<looking @ watch> ....and that time may come sooner than you think..ey?

[msongs]

19. obama can go cry on oprah's corporate tv show if he loses :-) nt

[durrrty libby]

24. you mean......when

[sniffa]

23. of course not

how eLse can the victim angLe be pLayed?

[ileus]

27. We'll all end up voting for her in the end, no use fighting about it. n/t

[MGKrebs]

31. Maybe Obama supporters are tired of losing a couple points in the polls

every time he opens his piehole in front of a microphone.

[durrrty libby]

32. Oh snap...

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

40. You dole out snaps with far too much charity.

That was really lame.

[durrrty libby]

44. I love lame

And I'm a little giddy tonight.

Beckett has been stellar and we are having fun

Damn..I even defended Joe Torre

[jefferson_dem]

45. Ya...it's looking really good tonight. One game at a time, DL! One at a time.

It was great the way old Joe dissed Steinbrenner. No love lost here with the Yanks. That's for damn sure!

[AlCzervik]

41. this thread is hilarious.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

33. Clinton reply: "Very funny line. Barack and Karl Rove must have stayed up all night on that one."

Would that be unfair? And if so, why?

I'd say it would be an unfair line because Karl Rove is Evil. It is out of bounds to suggest someone consorts with Rove.

Up-thread I said the "mission accomplished" was not out of bounds, but I have to rethink that.

I've enjoyed this opportunity to give this some thought. When I saw the line on Leno it struck me right off as deeply offensive. My first reaction was my reaction to profoundly dishonest republicans on talk shows, lying about torture or something... But I laugh at Clinton all the time. She's quite comical. So why was this so different?

I think the point is that comparisons to Bush should be automatically out of bounds within the Democratic party because to Democrats there is (or should be) no difference between suggesting your opponent hung a banner saying "Mission Accomplished" and saying your opponent is working on his memoirs, and planning to call it "Mein Kampf."

Bush is not a mere opposition party figure to be played off of in comical rhetoric. He is evil.

Kucinich can fairly compare Clinton to Bush because he has not supported the war. But Obama has tacitly supported the war by funding it, so he really doesn't have the room to compare any Democrat to Bush... at least not in a joke. He has at least a few small drops of blood on his hands... enough small drops to make "Bush-lite" and Iraq jokes unseemly.

In a substantive policy discussion tying someone's policies to Bush's policies, sure. Fair enough. The IWR vote is fair game in a serious discussion.

But the comparison was to Bush's intelligence, credibility and general sense of honor.

Gotta be a low blow.

[TSIAS]

34. Fake outrage

Look at the Hillaryis44 smear website. This is manufactured outrage if I've ever seen it.

It's as if the HRC Headquarters sent the talking points directly to DU Clinton supporters. But that would never happen.

[wndycty]

36. Exactly

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[jefferson_dem]

42. self delete.

It's all good. :bounce:

[Harper_is_Bush]

38. you must be f'n kidding. The anti-Hillary crew are the ones in need of help.

[zulchzulu]

43. I thought Barack was great and whoever doesn't think so can kiss my Obama button...

Barack could pull off what he did where I think some other candidates would have asked for questions to be pre-screened.