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Mon Oct-29-07 12:49 PM
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Hilary Clinton's Negatives Lowest Among The Top Democrats |
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Clinton is viewed favorably by 79% of Democrats and unfavorably by 19%. The numbers for Obama are 64% favorable, 31% unfavorable. Edwards earns positive reviews from 66% while 26% say the opposite. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_pollMaybe because she doesn't attack other Democrats...
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Mon Oct-29-07 12:52 PM
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1. I'm Part Of The 19% - I Wonder What Gore's Negatives Would Be nt |
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Mon Oct-29-07 12:53 PM
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But that doesn't undermine the assertion she doesn't shit on other Democrats which is taboo to me...
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:10 PM
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9. I'm OK until they shit on the Democratic Party |
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and don't rely on rw arguments and don't get so dirty they tarnish the party
I don't think it's reasonable to expect to refrain from attacking each other. It is a campaign
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:05 PM
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:03 PM
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3. That's very consistent with a recent Gallup poll, at least where Hillary is concerned. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 01:03 PM by TwilightZone
In the Gallup poll, Clinton's approval rating was 80% among all Democrats and 81% among "liberal Democrats".
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:06 PM
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5. Interesting to combine that with Rasmussen's 20% male defection rate |
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(Gender gap poll suggesting that she gains roughly as many pub women as loses dem men, around 19%)
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:09 PM
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8. Obama's Unfavorables Strike Me As High |
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Pehaps the McClurkin brouhaha is affecting it...
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:14 PM
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14. They've been like that for a while, for two reasons, IMO |
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1) Our party is not without racism 2) A lot of Dems probably think he is a muslim
I doubt the McClurkin thing would have a measurable effect at this point.
(If Kucinich jumped ugly at Obama over it at the debate tomorrow, that could change things a little. Denis could do worse than solidifying gay support. For someone polling 1% it's a gigantic bloc.)
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:29 PM
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28. I'd add another reason |
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Obama hasn't given them enough reason to forget about your two. I'm sure there are dems who just wouldn't vote for him, no way no how, simply because he is black or "muslim", but for most of the dems in your groups, I think they are "no way, no how" confederate flag lying, gay bashing bigots.
I think many of them are predisposed againstg such a candidate and that they could be swayed if given a good reason to do so. I don't think Obama has given them any reason.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:10 PM
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10. Yeah, that was a curious result. |
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Not sure what to think of that. I wonder how significant a component sexism is in that result.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:06 PM
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6. Well there goes one of the two things her rivals wanted to use against her in the next debate! |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:07 PM
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7. The High Road Is The Best Road |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:10 PM
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11. Yes it is and thank you for posting. k&r |
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Mon Oct-29-07 04:22 PM
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54. I thought the Hillary/unfavorables issue was among voters in the GE |
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not among Democrats only? According to the website... "Additionally while the Democratic frontrunner receives approximately 48% support no matter which Republican is included in the polls, 46% of voters say they will definitely vote against her no matter who the Republicans nominate. These numbers suggest that Republicans are on stronger political ground when talking about Hillary Clinton than when talking about the issues of Election 2008. " http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/2008_democratic_presidential_primary
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:11 PM
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12. Pretty hard to believe |
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100% of the Democrats I know don't like her at all.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:12 PM
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Your mom is just being supportive and your dog doesn't get a vote.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:14 PM
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15. Should I Take That Literally Or Figuratively? |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:18 PM
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My mom is dead.
I am political chair for TWO different local groups. I talk to other Democrats I don't know personally while I do phone canvassing and door knocking. I know most of the local candidates in this two state metro area (in 2006, we were involved in 46 different campaigns.) So yes, I know LOTS of Democrats. NONE who support Hillary. Not a one.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:21 PM
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22. Apologies for the joke. |
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Regarding your own personal worldview, I don't care how many Democrats you claim to know, your personal view is NOT indicative of the voting public. Not even close.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:22 PM
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23. Frankly, I find the claim |
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in the above post (that you responded to) ridiculous.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:29 PM
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How would you know about how many Hillary supporters are here where I live? :shrug:
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:30 PM
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80% of Democrats and 81% of "liberal Democrats" approve of her, according to Gallup. Rasmussen has it at nearly 80%, and other polls are similar.
Meanwhile, the poster knows hundreds or thousands of Democrats and none of them support Hillary.
The chances of that being true are zero.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:28 PM
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Hillary doesn't even have an active campaign team here. Obama does. Edwards does. Kucinich has one too. How do I know this? It is my role as political chair to connect with these people. So if you know of a Hillary campaign staff in my area, tell them to contact me. :) They also might try a little visibility.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:31 PM
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31. You live in Kansas, right? |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:38 PM
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33. There are plenty of Kansans |
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for Hillary despite the ridiculous claim. lol.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:39 PM
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I was just a bit tickled by the posters indignation over how HRC hasn't been campaigning in Kansas.
The simple answer is "Because it's Kansas"
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:49 PM
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35. And you know this how? |
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Are you involved in Kansas Democratic party politics?
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:50 PM
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36. Its too ludricous to bother with. But please continue n/t |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:52 PM
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38. In other words you are just guessing |
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and you really have no idea what you are talking about. :eyes:
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:58 PM
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41. Apparently, neither do you. Hillary is leading in KS. |
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:20 PM
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:51 PM
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We have a Democratic governor who is the third most popular governor in the country. We have a Democratic lt governor and a Democratic state attorney general. My county (the largest in the state) tripled its Democratic reps in the state house in 2006.
I take it you don't know much about the current political climate in Kansas.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:55 PM
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40. You don't seem terribly knowledgeable about it yourself. Hillary is leading in Kansas. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-29-07 01:57 PM by TwilightZone
Research 2000: Hillary Clinton 27%, Barack Obama 22%, John Edwards 21%, Bill Richardson 8%
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008#Kansas
Edit: (Link doesn't work in thread - cut/paste to view)
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:20 PM
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46. Just like she is leading in all those other polls |
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in spite of the fact that many of us active in the party don't know anyone who is supporting her.
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:56 PM
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49. The only place that is true... |
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is in the state of denial. You can keep making the claim that no one supports her, but it won't magically become true.
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Mon Oct-29-07 05:09 PM
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56. Nothing magical about it; just the facts |
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I don't know anyone who supports her. And yes, I am VERY active in the party. I am sure that eventually she will gather support from people I know. But there is none so far.
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Mon Oct-29-07 02:17 PM
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43. Explain the lack of campaigning in Kansas |
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not the fact that you don't know anyone supporting HRC. On that point, I just don't believe you.
Maybe people are just telling you what you want to hear. Maybe you're not being honest. Who knows why you would say such a thing? No matter what the explanation is, I just don't believe it. HRC is leading among Dems in Kansas, but no one supports her. You're credibility on this point is nil
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:26 PM
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48. You are asking ME to explain the lack of campaigning in Kansas? |
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LOL How about one of you Hillary folks explain that? Cause I can guarantee I haven't contacted her campaign to volunteer.
Meanwhile, the Edwards campaign has contacted me. Kucinich has a presence here. And Obama has a huge presence here. His people call me regularly. Even Richardson has workers here. But no one from Hillary's campaign has contacted anyone I know. Like I said, to my knowledge, there is no Hillary campaign here. If there is, they aren't working very hard. I live in the largest county in the state and we had a county Dem meeting just last week where this very topic came up.
So how has she built up this tremendous support here?
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:33 PM
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32. And you think that Kansas is indicative of the voting public in general? |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:53 PM
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39. Are you by any chance letting your feelings be known |
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when you talk to other people in your groups? Many people tend to agree with the majority and keep their own feelings to themselves. Plus I am seeing many people tilting more toward Hillary as she is bashed for things she's not guilty of doing or saying. Including myself.
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Mon Oct-29-07 04:15 PM
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52. Are you asking what people |
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think of Hillary Clinton when you canvass and knock on doors?
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:15 PM
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16. Vast majority of Democrats don't think about politics much at all |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:17 PM
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18. Most voters, in general. |
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A lot of people don't decide on a candidate until they're in the voting booth and know little about them.
We political junkies are a small minority of the voting public.
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Tue Oct-30-07 10:07 AM
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64. I am not surrounded by |
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liberals or activists at work. Many voted for her as Senator and would again. No one wants her as president. She is the only one who turns conservatives rabid and some Dems, not Liberals, also. As long as that doesn't change into the miracle that KOS is deriving from somewhere else, the highest numbers in the world are extremely vulnerable to change. Worse, I see the article AND the source trying to puzzle out the perpsective. If it's a puzzle it is hardly reassuring and no interpreation sounds as convincing as what might happen in the 2008 fall campaign. Maybe she overcame the strategically moderated GOP media machine. People not having their heads banged against the wall suddenly realize that is OK not to hate her or be afraid that she is hated.
All chills and no thrills for me. I feel less like a holdout than someone mired in the Hillary handicapped actual political landscape. That has not changed though the ephemeral media scene temporarily has. The illusion that it creates that the fighting Clintons have made them back down and will win again does not reassure me in this ruthless, scripted crisis ridden time. it reassures me that the people could be had just enough to lean on a deception(not the candidate's, but the culture under media influence.)
I know what happens to polls every single time. The Dem Convention bounce is the LAST one. Then the GOP evens it out and dems resurge. Then the last days the GOP pulls the rug out, polls be damned. Then they settle back with a few beers and recalibrate the tallies in central control. They do this with scum and loons as candidates. Our genuine public servants who can actually speak and think fall like wooden dummies whose strings have been cut. THIS election could be a watershed. An avalanche, and I see the whole party damming it up and setting the temperature to lukewarm. Squandering it like the whole nation was suddenly gerrymandered for them. Underneath the people seethe, looking for any direction anger can take them. Mostly taking note of the Hillary scene and how to play is the GOP, under Bush. No puzzles or mild opinions there.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:16 PM
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17. and down at the bottom it says that against thompson and guiliani, Edwards |
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leads by more than Hillary.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:19 PM
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20. Yes and that has come out in other polls as well. |
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:20 PM
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21. It isn't Hillary's unfavorable ratings among Democrats which are the problem; it is independents and |
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moderate Republicans whose overwhelmingly unfavorable rating of Hillary which is her insurmountable problem. I think she can win a general election, but I also know that Obama, Edwards, or even Richardson would win by larger margins without cutting it so close and would lift (rather than weigh down) our down-ballot tickets.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:24 PM
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24. You might want to review the link you posted. |
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The "definitely vote against" numbers for Obama and Edwards are nearly as high as Clinton's, and their "definitely vote for" numbers are significantly lower. Her net rating is better than anyone's.
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Mon Oct-29-07 01:26 PM
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26. DSB I liked the other data at Rasmussen |
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Fifty-two percent (52%) of Clinton supporters say they are certain they will vote for her and nothing will change their mind. Only 39% of Obama’s voters are that certain along with 29% of Edwards voters. This from another Rasmussen article http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_new_hampshire_democratic_primaryI've been saying all along that my canvassing and calls tell me that Hillary support is firm while Obama and Edwards is soft, even wishy washy and squishy.
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Mon Oct-29-07 02:04 PM
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42. CBS poll: Clinton's fav. is 43% (behind Gore) |
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AND Gore is only 5 points behind Hillary amongst primary voters! http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5214#more-5214
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:15 PM
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44. When are you going to |
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Decide on switching your avatar to a Hillary Clinton avatar? ;)
Senator Clinton has run a positive and a flawless campaign thus far, and she'll continue to do so....she's on a roll, but we mustn't be complacent of course.
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Mon Oct-29-07 03:18 PM
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45. Because Bobby Kennedy's My Idol |
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But I like him for a different reason than many other liberals do... Because he was a liberal who didn't wear a "kick me" sign on his ass...
Reminds me of Hillary...
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But you know, EVEN I had to change my beloved DLC avatar to the Hillary avatar....if I could have two avatars, now that WOULD be really cool :)
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Mon Oct-29-07 04:10 PM
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51. We've already established that she's statistically able to win the NOMINATION. |
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Mon Oct-29-07 04:22 PM
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53. and her ratings with Independents and Republicans? |
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Hillary doesn't need to be seen as favorable among Democrats. She's already got their votes if she wins the nomination. Its only her standing among Independents and Republicans that count.
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:18 AM
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59. Screw them. We don't need them |
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Edit: Removed barroom language. Too much coffee. Sorry.
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Mon Oct-29-07 04:45 PM
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55. Citing Rassmussen to try to prove something absurd |
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Doesn't exactly help your credibility....
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:23 AM
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The intellectually honest thing to do when you challenge another person's credibilty is to offer evidence of your own but you will not do that because we all know you are intellectually dishonest and full of hot air...
I stand by my assertion that Hillary Clinton's popularity among Democrats is high and have proffered evidence to support my assertion...
If you have evidence (empirical research) to the contrary ,proffer it now...
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:14 AM
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57. Thank you for the numbers |
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:16 AM
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58. Oh nawwwwww! Don't tell the haters that. They will have a meltdown! |
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That was their main ammo right there. 'Nominating her is foolish because her negatives are too high. Oh no! Our party will be doomed!'
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:30 AM
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62. It's Among Democrats Only |
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I don't want to mislead anybody...
Her overall negatives hover in the forties, from the low forties to the high forties...
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Tue Oct-30-07 09:50 AM
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63. She's well ahead, and she's campaigning great |
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That's all we need. Good campaigns move numbers. Thanks for the info.
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