Headline from December, 2003: Dean Pulls Away In Dem Race

[oberliner]

Poll Results (as cited in article):

Dean 23
Clark 10
Lieberman 10
Gephardt 6
Sharpton 5
Kerry 4
Edwards 2

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml

[ShaneGR]

1. Yup

I still predict Edwards carries Iowa and runs away with it afterwards.

[rinsd]

2. Dean had to contend w/ Don't Know which at that time was winning the Dem nomination w/28%

[wyldwolf]

3. 13 points vs. 30+ points? Yeah.. same thing

[MBS]

4. a timely and most appropriate reminder

of how misleading the early primary polls are, especially before a single vote has been cast.

[oberliner]

6. Even two weeks before Iowa, Kerry was in third and Edwards even lower

Anything can happen.

[AtomicKitten]

5. Thanks for this poignant reminder that the fat lady hasn't sung quite yet.

[cobalt1999]

7. I'm sure Hillary's campaign hasn't forgotten either.

Still more than 3 out of 4 people were either undecided or against Dean back then. That alone indicates Dean had a serious vulnerability going into the early states.

[DFW]

8. ANYone who forgets this doesn't deserve to be in the race

But I know Ann Lewis, and she is sharp as a razor blade.
I'm sure the other campaigns haven't forgotten this either,
but with all the hype, it's a sure bet Hillary's campaign
remembers all to well what happened to Howard.

[Basileus Basileon]

9. It's like the kids' game: can you spot the six differences?

1. 30 is a bigger number than 13.
2. Clinton's favorability numbers are higher than Dean's were.
3. The race started much earlier this time.
4. All candidates are known quantities.
5. There are far fewer undecideds now.
6. Dean based his campaign on the internet, youth, and momentum--all high-risk-high-reward--and was loose, undisciplined, and straightforward. Hillary runs a tight ship based on minimizing risk. There will be no Dean Scream for her.


Not to say that Hillary *can't* lose, but Hillary is in a much better position than Dean was in '03.

[oberliner]

10. The person who become the eventual Democratic nominee was polling at 4% in Dec 2003

That seems to be something worth taking note of.

[Yukari Yakumo]

11. Truth in posting...

Howard Dean 23%
Wesley Clark 10%
Joe Lieberman 10%
Richard Gephardt 6%
Al Sharpton 5%
John Kerry 4%
John Edwards 2%
Carol Moseley-Braun 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Don’t Know 28%

Whoops, was that your balls I just kicked?

[malta blue]

12. Was that last part REALLY necessary?

Are we still in middle school?

[oberliner]

13. Never known people to include "don't know" when posting poll info here

Seems to run at about 11-14 percent in the current polling.

No need to be mean spirited, certainly there are a lot of differences between now and then.

The only point is that things changed pretty dramatically last time around.