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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:07 PM
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Is there a "Man Card?"
There's supposed to be a "race card," and now a "woman card." Is there a "man card?"

How about all the rhetoric evoking a hyper-masculine mystique? You know, having "balls," "cojones," "a pair." About not being a "pussy," or not being a "girly-man."

How about when even height is considered an issue? Or considerations about the propriety of the potential first-lady? Or the manly "daddy" and "protector against terrorists?"

Is this part of a "Man Card?"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:08 PM
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1. The "Man Card" has ensured...
...a male president for our entire history.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:09 PM
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2. Man Card
Being ambitious enough to run for President is a desirable trait in a man but apparently not in a woman.

Edwards used that line about Hillary a few weeks ago.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:22 PM
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25. I never liked Edwards
And I'm not supporting Hillary in the primaries.

But I couldn't believe my own eyes:

* Campaigning in New Hampshire yesterday, John Edwards suggested Hillary Clinton is mostly running for president out of personal ambition. “She said it, didn’t she?” Edwards said. “Wasn’t her phrase early on in her campaign, ‘I’m in it to win?”‘ (Isn’t every presidential candidate motivated in part by personal ambition?)

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13413.html



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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:32 PM
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26. I didn't see that.
"John Edwards suggested Hillary Clinton is mostly running for president out of personal ambition."

:rofl:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:24 PM
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3. Here's the "Man Card" that's kept the big boys in charge so long...
"Me Tarzan, you Jane."
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:26 PM
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4. I certainly won't vote for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman. Her playing
a victim turns me off.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:28 PM
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5. I'm not sure where she claimed to be a victim BECAUSE she's a woman.
I sure understand your not basing your decision on gender, one way or the other.

But I've seen other front-runners refer to the attacks they've taken, and I don't remember that being criticized as "playing a victim." I think this is the double-standard. :shrug:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:31 PM
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7. At Wellesley she referred to "the boys club" ... got a huge applause.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:34 PM
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10. At Wellesley they're smart enough to know there is a boys' club...
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 07:37 PM by polichick
...brave enough to talk about it, and confident enough to strut right past the clubhouse door ~ good for them!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:32 PM
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19. Nicely said!
:) :thumbsup:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:34 PM
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11. Isn't it a "boys club?"
Spoken with pride to her all-women alma mater. That's different from "The boys are picking on me because I'm a woman! I'm a victim!"
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:29 PM
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18. Here's how they (justifiably and admirably, IMO) salute the 'club' at Wellesley
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:35 PM
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12. I know the feeling.....
About on the same level

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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:29 PM
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6. Didn't you write a long rant once
about this?

Answer to your question: sure, absolutely.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:33 PM
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9. Yeah
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sparkly/54

And I logged this, which was in response to something like a Freeper or rightwing radiohead rant, I don't recall. It just seemed to make a little compendium of hyper-masculine rhetoric.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Sparkly/49
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:31 PM
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8. I think the man card is one that gets played when some guy
thinks with his "little head". :shrug:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:42 PM
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13. I agree and here is an example of a "man" card being played.
Personally, I believe Bill Clinton screwed his loyal Vice-President over three times before Al Gore ever reached the podium at the 2000 convention that was to nominate him for the Presidency.

The first was the adolescent throw back affair it self, this is when Bill Clinton forgot the theme song from his own 92 convention, Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow", I still have ambivalent feelings whenever I hear that song. This also told me Bill Clinton didn't truly believe the looming catastrophe of Global Warming was for real, or he wouldn't have jeopardized his Vice-President's upcoming election. I believe as bad as this was, it wasn't insurmountable because it was primarily a betrayal against his own family and many would consider this private behavior.

The second and much more devastating betrayal against Al Gore was when Bill Clinton looked the American People in the camera lens and told them quite adamantly that he never had sexual relations with that woman. This turned a family betrayal in to a national one, he lied to everyone at this point, he and certainly Al Gore would've been much better off had he kept his mouth shut or at least admitted the truth up front, because this act gave Bush the integrity issue ammunition on a silver platter. Bush's cronies knew it as well, that's why he ran on "restoring honor and integrity to the White House".

The third time was at the 2000 convention it self, read the paragraph below and couple that with what seemed like a ten minute self aggrandizing walk down the hall way, when he could've used that precious national prime time air time to promote Al Gore for President. It was always about Bill and when Hillary had him by the short hairs it was always about Hillary, this is a large reason as to why we have Cheney/Bush in the White House today.

"During his all-night conversation with Ken Burns in June, Bill "spoke movingly of the Democratic National Convention that was coming," Burns recalled, "and how because he was on the backside of scandal and impeachment he had a more delicate role to play."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:43 PM
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14. Didn't Ahnuld play it against Democrats prior to his rebirth as a moderate?
Edited on Thu Nov-01-07 07:44 PM by ClarkUSA
Remember the whole "girly-man" thang?

I doubt any male Democratic presidential candidate would play the "man card" because neither top-tier Edwards
or Obama believes that a woman is less worthy as a man to be president considering the veritable Amazons (and
I mean that in a good sense - is there any other?) both of them have married.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 07:53 PM
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15. Like this?
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:00 PM
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16. historically, white men have held all the cards
it wasn't until recently that non-white men had any cards to play.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:24 PM
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17. You tell 'em!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:32 PM
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20. Yes there's a man card
and it's played everywhere.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 08:36 PM
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21. The Republicans play the MAN card every election cycle.
In reality, of course, we know that most of them are Weenies. In particular, the Chicken Hawks among them.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:07 PM
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22. Absolutely and Mitt will play it to the hilt. n/t
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 02:11 PM
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24. Oh, the Republicans LOVE all this.
And it makes people like Tweety swoon.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-01-07 09:13 PM
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23. I'm going to let the asinine nature of this question stand as it's own retort.
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