Obama is a genius

[Ammonium]

Okay so like a month ago there was the Kyl-Lieberman bill that was passed calling Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. The only democrat in the senate who voted for it was, just guess...Hillary Clinton. Hillary was roundly trampled in the Democratic debate this past tuesday for especially being an enabler for Bush should he decide to go after Iran as terrorists.

So this evening Obama introduced a bill that basically says Bush has no authority to go to war with Iran. Brilliant! What Obama has done is basically pull Hillary between a rock and a hard place and it's so amazing. She can either A)vote in favor of Obama's resolution(presumably with the rest of her democratic friends) and then try to explain how she hasn't flip flopped between her earlier vote for Kye-Lieberman and Obama's resolution or B)vote against it and explain how she is not enabling bush and perpetuating the march to war with Iran. omg it's political genius!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_iran

[IndianaJones]

1. was she the only one for the it. nt.

[Basileus Basileon]

7. No. Only 22 were against it, not including

Mr. Obama's phantom disapproval.

[Ammonium]

15. Subject

I didn't do a good job of specifying Clinton was the only senator running for president that voted for Kyl-Lieberman.

Lets be frank. If mr. Bush wants to level Iran he clearly thinks he has the authority to do so, so until Congress decides to impeach Bush has demonstrated he will do whatever he wants. It really doesn't matter what congress does or what bill they pass. Welcome to the unitary executive.

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt for Mrs. Clinton.

[Basileus Basileon]

17. No, you posted a lie.

Nothing to do with "feelings."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. It would be even more ingenious if his bill wasn't derived from a

letter to the president Jim Webb drafted and that Hillary and 29 other Senators signed and that Obama didn't sign.

[Lucinda]

3. Amazing isn't it?

If not derived, at least similar in intent. If he's working from some sort of strategy lately, it's eluding me. :)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. All four senator/candidates should get on the same page on Iran and

stay there. If this sending messages to Bush stuff is so important then is not good to have splits developed for political reasons.

But nobody wants to take it off the table... it's campaign fodder.

Notice that the OP was utterly unconcerned with any real-world effect of this "genius"... just the politics.

[pnwmom]

5. Yeah, why didn't he sign Webb's letter? He still could have introduced

his bill.

[flpoljunkie]

13. A letter sounds like "pretty, please" to someone who isn't listening, and has no force of law.

[Mass]

18. He still could have done both. Sign the letter and file the bill.

Or do you consider Boxer, Webb, Kerry, Durbin,Dodd (apologies for the 25 others I forgot)... as idiots and lightweight?

[flpoljunkie]

20. No, I do not, but I see sending Bush letters, rather than binding legislation, as ineffective.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Good

then you'll be comforted to know that Kyl-Lieberman was a non-binding resolution, with no force of law.

[Basileus Basileon]

6. What made you think Hillary was the only Dem to vote for it? It passed 76-22.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349#top

[mohc]

14. Obviously...

they meant the only Senator named Clinton or Obama to vote for it, or vote at all....err wait...

[CyberPieHole]

8. Perhaps he will be around to sign his own bill...

he seems to be in absentia when all other votes take place.

[JTFrog]

11. Perhaps the

majority leader could give out accurate information to presidential candidates about when an item is actually scheduled for vote.

*edit - I mean to all presidential candidates, not just the one his son works for.

[rinsd]

16. Pssst every other Dem Senator who was a candidate was there

And I love how that BS story is passed around as truth.

1st thing that morning Reid announced they were going to try and get a vote again. They voted at 12:45.

Obama never planned to be at the vote, he left for Maine before they had even finished debating the night before and planned to stay there until the debate in NH that day.

He expected everyone that was running in the Senate to vote no and the bill was going pass regardless of his no vote.

What surprised him was Hillary voting Yes. It was an unexpected gift, but yes because he was not at the vote he cannot lend it too much importance.

Now let me ask you something.

Why would Reid in an attempt to give Hillary "political cover" for her yes vote schedule a vote that did not include Obama but was to be held the day before a major debate in New Hampshire. Does that make any sense? Make sure Obama misses the vote but schedule the vote the day of the debate so its fresh meat for the other candidates to hammer her on?

[CyberPieHole]

27. Do you think you will get an answer to your VERY valid questions?

I've been waiting for a while...

[AtomicKitten]

9. Obama has the moves. ;)

[Didereaux]

10. a nice guy, but NO genius.....n/t

[Odin2005]

12. K&R

GOBAMA!!!

[Mass]

19. Because, of course, Reid will put this bill to a vote?

I think Obama did something positive to clarify his position, though he could have co-sponsored Webb's bill that does basically the same thing, of course. However, there is basically 0 chance that Reid put any of the two to a vote.

[flpoljunkie]

21. I think you might be right about Reid. Webb's bill, tho, is sitting in Joe Biden's committee.

The foreign relations committee, that is.

[Silence Dogood]

23. any idea how many senators have signed on?

Dodd, Biden, Hillary?

[polichick]

22. I'm for anything that will prevent Bush from broadening his...

...reign of terror ~ so, kudos Obama!

(Although this doesn't get you off the hook for not voting in the first place.)

[BenDavid]

24. Obama did not cast a vote on this Iran bill....he was

on the campaign trail and when asked why he did not vote he said" I was not informed about this vote until today and I could not get back to Washington".....But a funny thing can happen to people that LIE, they get caught and Obama was informed about the vote on this bill the night before the Senate ended for the day....

I do thank you
Ben David

[mark414]

26. can you prove that?

it was my understanding that obama DID show up for the vote only to find out it was canceled. and after harry reid stated there wasn't going to be another vote in the near future, obama continued on with his campaign plans. obama ended up getting only a 1 hour warning before the actual vote, but by that time he was already up in new hampshire, and could not have gotten back in time.

i have seen links but cannot find them. i will continue to look.

in the meantime, could you provide yours?

[CyberPieHole]

28. Yeah, continue searching for "proof"...O.J. Simpson is searching for the "real" killer too...

we are all waiting with baited breath.:eyes:

[mark414]

29. and i'm waiting for proof that the opposite is true

sorry i do not bookmark every single piece of information i read...

but harry reid, a politician, whose son is a high level clinton campaign worker, would never ever play preferential politics, right?

[CyberPieHole]

31. Obama failed to vote...

you need proof of that?

[mark414]

32. no

that he knew of the vote the night before, as the post i responded to claimed.

it has been widely circulated that the kyl/lieberman vote was scheduled last minute. that post was the first time i had heard that it was scheduled the night before. i am asking for a reference.

[CyberPieHole]

33. YOU asserted that Harry Reid tricked Obama...

and that because of Reid's son, Hillary was given advance warning of the vote...did you find proof of that? You're saying that Reid bamboozled Obama. I'm just wondering if you have proof to that...if you do, I'd love to see it.

[FredScuttle]

25. Rev. Donnie McClosetCase agrees....Obama is a genius

What a cunning strategy to give an "ex-gay" clown a microphone and ample time to spew homophobic filth to a captive audience. And just look at the results!


Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Edwards Spread
RCP Average 09/26 - 10/29 39.0 24.0 12.7 Clinton +15.0
ARG 10/26 10/29 41 19 18 Clinton +22.0
Winthrop Univ. 10/07 - 10/28 33 23 10 Clinton +10.0
Rasmussen 09/26 - 09/27 43 30 10 Clinton +13.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_primary-234.html