Clinton Aides admit to using gender as a distraction from double talking

[jsamuel]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/11/02/playing_the_gender_card_is_part_of_clinton_strategy.html

Aides to Sen. Hillary Clinton told the Associated Press that there is "a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job."

See the Double Talking here, don't get distracted.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=66591&mesg_id=66591

[saracat]

1. This is the most disgusting tactic a woman candidate can use.This is revolting.

[merbex]

3. Totally agree n/t

[rinsd]

4. As opposed to vote for me, I'm the white Southerner?

[ccpup]

7. don't forget

his father was a mill worker or something like that

[saracat]

12. Well Hillary's was a Republican e business owner! She doesn't stress that much!

[ccpup]

20. back in the day

when republican didn't mean Evangelical Christian or batshit crazy

[mitchum]

41. You're right; they were the benign type who just said "fuck the little people"

However, H. Rodham was a GOLDWATER GIRL. And the Goldwater campaign was the beginning of the wingnut movement in the republican party.

[saracat]

15. At least he is a white southerner.Hillary isn't anyone's "victim".

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[roguevalley]

32. same concept. if she can't stand up to the scrutiny as the frontrunner,

don't bloody run. WOmen get enough crap legitimately about stuff when they try and do something without one of our own doing it on purpose.

[rinsd]

34. So she has to run like a man?

Howard Dean

"thanked Gore "particularly those words that said that the 11th Commandment now also ought to apply to Democrats. As you know, I've been picking buckshot out of my rear end in some of these debates, and we're going up to New Hampshire tonight and see if I do some more."

She can't complain about being ganged up on just because she is a woman?

[roguevalley]

36. no. it doesn't matter that she's a female. whoever was the leader

would be in the same place this time of the season. the front runner gets the hits. she needs to stand up and take them and not fall back
on such a cheap tactic. Any man or woman in her place as frontrunner
would be the target. Period. This makes her look weak and gives the
other side not only ugly sound bites but a tactic: She whines about
all the big bad candidates now. What about when she faces the big bad
men of the world? Bad tactic, Hillary.

[bvar22]

37. Waaaa...Waaaa... Waaa...the boys are being mean to me!!!!!...

Yeah....thats going to get votes.

[Yael]

38. She isn't being ganged up on because she is a woman

and no matter how often it is repeated, it still isn't true.

She is being challenged on the issues (and her non answers on them). To suggest that her triangulating ways should be given a pass BECAUSE she is a woman is a horrifying thought to its core.

[MethuenProgressive]

44. *One post on one Blog* is the highpoint of the Edwards campaign?

:rofl: SomeWackjobBlogger/Edwards '08!

[rinsd]

2. LOL...I love how this is cast as a shocking revelation.

The Clinton campaign had kept her rivals at bay precisely because they were afraid of what happened to Lazio. Its why attacks on Hillary from the Edwards camp first came thru Elizabeth with John refraining from attacking Clinton directly until the last month or so.

[Kagemusha]

8. And yet, after all that effort and planning, she blows it.

Now she's busy denying the gender card is being used at all. Just the victim card.

[rinsd]

11. Actually its working quite well.

Its why Obama put out an OPED detailing his work against domestic violence the very next day even though he was not the most aggressive in the debate.

[saracat]

13. She has lost all credibility as a feminist and she insults women everywhere by playing "victim".

[rinsd]

19. Watch next week when her numbers go up with women.

But it was nice to see Edwards stop hiding behind his wife for a change.

So good for your guy for finally showing some testicular fortitiude!

:thumbsup:

[incapsulated]

21. Oh yeah?

Well Edwards insults my female black ass every time he tells people to "just imagine" Obama or Clinton on the ticket, vote for me, I'm "electable". (I'm white and male).

Your candidate, frankly, is more full of total bullshit than anyone running and for this bunch of politicians, that is saying a lot.

[ccpup]

5. it never ceases to amaze me

how easily disgusted/offended/enraged/sickened/add your own negative emotion here Edwards supporters seem to get. :eyes:

[More Than A Feeling]

6. There goes the "Hillary is tough" talking point.

You can't be boasting about your toughness while whining that other candidates won't let you get away with contradicting yourself. Unless, of course, her campaign would like to be called out on even more double talk.

[incapsulated]

9. I don't believe anything the fucking AP says about any democrat

And I find it very hard to believe her aides are telling reporters their campaign strategy, for chrissakes.

Not that I care if she is, frankly. It's a political campaign and she will use any advantage. It's what ALL politicians do.

I come from poor people, mill workers, immigrants, I'm one of "you".

I'm mixed race and love everybody.

I'm a white male and electable.

I've suffered so I feel your pain.

They are going after me because: I tell the truth, I'm the front runner, they are republicans in disguise, the media hates me, it's part of a plot to keep YOU down through me, I want to stop the war, they hate me because I'm beautiful.

[BeyondGeography]

10. A short-term solution at best

it would ruin her in the GE if she tried it.

[rinsd]

14. Why would she? In the GE, its one on one.

Here she gets to cast it as me against the boys.

The boys lose in that argument.

[saracat]

17. This is so revolting. Why can't she use her qualifications instead of competing in a way that

denigrates women?

[rinsd]

23. Qualifications? This race is about qualifications?

How can it be when Edwards pretends he was never in the Senate?

:shrug:

[SaveElmer]

26. Oh poor Saracat so offended...

:cry:

Qualifications? With John Edwards running as fast as he can away from his own record it is kind of ironic that qualifications is what you are basing your support of him on

[Yael]

40. Because being a woman is her only qualification?

Seems to be what her message is (or as best can be deciphered)

[BeyondGeography]

28. Sounds like part of the package to me

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/11/02/playing_the_gender_card_is_part_of_clinton_strategy.html

[rinsd]

31. I doubt it.

It worked with Lazio because of how Lazio approached Clinton.

I don't see a GOPer doing that.

I think she went into the debate prepared for the wrong battle. She wanted to try and remain above the fray when instead she should have done more counterpunching.

[BeyondGeography]

35. That's correct...she never fought back so the focus stayed entirely on her

That won't happen again; should make a for an interesting gathering on the 15th.

[okamichan13]

16. Her campaign admits it

while she denied it in New Hampshire today.

Geez, what a joke.

[More Than A Feeling]

18. Yup, and here's that link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3676739&mesg_id=3676739

[Debi]

22. Hmmmmm

the politics of distraction?

[KittyWampus]

24. I don't believe it and if it is true, then Hillary's strategy has just imploded

[Lucinda]

27. I'm not a big fan of reporters who use the "source who cannot be named"

angle when posting accusations.

[Cameron27]

29. From the AP story:

"Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_clinton_1

An AP story based on anonymous sources is on shakey legs, especially since I can't believe Clinton's advisors would reveal a campaign strategy.

[SaveElmer]

30. Quote anonymous sources with Obama and Edwards...

And their supporters cry like stuck pigs...

When it is Hillary, why it is Gospel...

[spooky3]

43. I'm an Edwards supporter

and I agree this story is highly questionable for the reasons others have stated.

And the reality is that there IS sexism in politics and elsewhere in society. So I think it's reasonable that Clinton would talk about it, and the other candidates should too.

[janx]

33. My, my...

This sounds like one very confident campaign.

[BootinUp]

39. Some aides nt

[PurityOfEssence]

42. What an extraordinarily stupid thing to say

This is proof of an extremely chickenshit tactic; I thought they were somewhat competent. So much for that.