If Hillary is our leader, will she accuse other world leaders of "piling on"?

[rudy23]

If she can't handle her competitors "piling on" in a debate, how is she going to be an effective leader on the world stage?

[jgraz]

1. If she's not strong enough to handle mild criticism, she should get out of politics

[incapsulated]

2. Yeah, cause Hillary Clinton has had an easy ride these past 12 years

On the planet of Saturn.

[aquart]

5. Exactly. And never cracked once.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. IT'S A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!

She made us all look like dopes.

[aquart]

22. She was right. Told the truth when no one wanted to hear it.

And boy did she get blasted for it. Didn't stop her for more than a second, though.

[Joe the Revelator]

27. And a lot of good it did....

she sounded crazy, she sounded whiney, and I was an embarassment to her husband and to democrats everywhere.

[LostinVA]

50. She enbarrassed her husband???

Oh brother.

[LostinVA]

49. It WAS a RW conspracy -- she was dead-one right with that statement

[rudy23]

7. She was talking about Democratic candidates in a debate, not the last 12 years

I'll give you that, the right did pile on.

That's not what she was talking about.

[incapsulated]

9. She was doing what every frontrunner does

Bitch about getting attacked because they are the front runner. They all do it.

She actually had a lot more to complain about than most.

[Yael]

3. By continuing the passive-aggresive game?

[aquart]

25. A label without links, quotes, or facts?

That's pretty much just an ordinary smear, then, isn't it?

[Yael]

39. I have family members who "suffer" from this "affliction".

I can smell it a mile away. You aggressively go after what you want by feigning 'passivity' (a word I probably just made up).

The 'woe is me, they are picking on a little girl' is textbook passive-aggressive out of a hawkish snarling woman like HRC.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Is That You Dr.Phil?

LOL

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. If she can't protect us from John Edwards, how can she protect us against Osama Bin Laden??????

[rinsd]

6. !!!

:spray:

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Don't underestimate the boy...

He can sue those buildings right into the ground.

[aquart]

26. He's not a "boy."

And those suits give me my greatest hope for some kind of trustbusting if he gets in. He fought hard, knows all their tricks, and he beat their asses and made them pay for his mansion. I like that.

[PurityOfEssence]

46. Definitely one tough customer

Elizabeth likes to tell how he was continually underestimated as a trial lawyer. He got where he is by serious work and sticking to his principles. Regardless of what others say, he's been a solid populist from the beginning and he's a problem-solver par excellance. He's got the makings of a true statesman, and with any luck, people will see it before this far-too-fast sprint gets underway.

One of the many things I like about him is that his regulation and trust-busting isn't driven so much out of vengeance as it is out of a desire to restructure things so they work for everybody. Lighthearted and easygoing though he is, he's very morally mature and centered. His positiveness isn't just an affectation; he sees the possibilities and sees ways to get there.

That post was a joke; I'm an annoying, extreme Edwards partisan and have been since before first darkening this board in the spring of '01. (I first took notice of him in a big way during the Ashcroft confirmation hearings; too bad more people didn't listen to him.)

[aquart]

23. You're adorable.

[aquart]

8. Can you link me to her quote on that, please?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. It's not a quote, it's a "quote"

[rudy23]

14. No, actually it's a quote nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

15. Sorry.

[rudy23]

13. Gladly

http://iowaparent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071023/OPINION01/710230367/1036

She laughs: "I am well aware this is 'pile on.' I used to play touch football with my brothers and my friends, and I am on the bottom and they are piling on, and I'm thinking how am I going to get out of here?"


Also, from her website:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3981

[rinsd]

17. Where is she showing she can't handle it?

:shrug:

You may not like the way she has recast it but she has done so quite brillaintly.

Obama published and oped detailing his efforts against domestic violence and Edwards launched his Promise to American Women plan with a tour by his wife.

They just "happened" to coincide with a week when both went after Hillary.

They are afraid of losing women voters.

[aquart]

24. But...but...all these mothers who swear they will never vote for Hillary!

Surely they have nothing to fear when they have the MOTHERS.

Not my mother, of course. My mom (I'm so proud of her) is for Kucinich in the primary and Democratic in the general.

[rinsd]

30. Your mother should be proud of you.

You defend Democrats from BS regardless of the direction its been flung from, not just your candidate.

I respect that a great deal. :toast:

[aquart]

21. Are the players in touch football "victims"?

Seriously, does the one on the bottom come out crying and calling "Mommy"?

She's acknowledging that they're going after her and she has to be always thinking so as not to be caught and trampled...where does she cry "victim"?

ANY front runner will be attacked from behind. That's the kind of race it is. Should she say it isn't happening? Should she LIE?

Doesn't sound as if she's very worried, does it?

Another pathetic spin attempt from people who don't understand why they're losing and figure it must be someone else's fault. Hillary understands damn well why, so far, she's winning.

[rudy23]

31. They are when they're at the bottom of the pile...

...of BOYS!

[Debi]

38. What? why was there a bottom of a pile in a 'touch' football game?

Either it's touch football or it's just plain football. Unless you want to have it both ways :hide:

[rudy23]

44. Great point! Unless there was a fumble. In which case, Hillary probably recovered the fumble.

Maybe she should highlight that she's good at recovering fumbles.
(don't worry, it makes no sense to me either).

[rudy23]

37. And the latest one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20071102/clinton-piling-on/

CONCORD, N.H. — Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday her status as the Democratic presidential front-runner _ not her gender _ has led her male primary rivals to intensify their criticism of her.

"I don't think they're piling on because I'm a woman. I think they're piling on because I'm winning," Clinton told reporters after filing paperwork to appear on the New Hampshire primary ballot.

[Demit]

11. What makes you think she's not handling it?

Do you think pointing out that it happened—which it did, and it included the moderators—is such a terrible thing? Worse than it happening?

You're right, it was supposed to be a DEBATE. But the moderators were asking other candidates to comment, not on their own policies, but on Hillary. LOL! I think she's handling that bullcrap just fine. And I'm not even a fan.

[rudy23]

16. In the moderators case, I can see where it was warranted. Not from her competition.

You can't play the victim card on the national stage.

[Lucinda]

19. She didn't play victim.

She made a statement about what occurred.
She got jumped. As would any front runner. And she's put it in perspective. As any front runner would have.

[aquart]

Yah. They're spinning a nice lie about what did not happen.

And they wonder so disingenuously why she's so careful in her statements.

[Lucinda]

45. Yawp. I'm reading her bio now and she was talking about learning

how important it was to be careful. Everything becomes spin.

[Faux pas]

20. Call the girl a waaaaaambulance. Some tuff world leader she'd

be......SHEESH.

[aquart]

32. Distortion is a lie.

Is lying all your candidate has? Or are you only here to attack a woman who is so not a victim she may well become POTUS?

Begone to your bridge. Or your rock, whichever you prefer.

[Faux pas]

35. of course your candidate is the only ONE TRUE CANDIDATE,

right? You don't even know who my candidate is....bite me a-hole.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I'll Bet You Scared Her

I almost pissed myself


:rofl:

[Faux pas]

47. I don't know if you're being facetious or not. I do know I'm a

reactionary (and Lib) and have been 'since birth'. Democratic is the closest you can come to a reactionary party, proved by the ass who intimated I was a troll b/c hillary is a phony and not my personal pick. I hate that sh*t.

[niceypoo]

28. World leaders dont have election debates with other world leaders...

I am trying to understand the point/relevence of your question???

[rudy23]

33. I'm questioning her use of the victim card, and how that appeals to Americans who want someone

who will protect them.

[FiveGoodMen]

34. Some of the other world leaders might pick on her for being a girl, though.

IIRC, some of those Middle Eastern countries don't have a great deal of respect for women.

You would have to hope she'd have something better up her sleeve than, "That's not fair!"

[aquart]

36. Maybe they think she'd cry if Putin kept her waiting 40 minutes?

[elizm]

29. Good point! nt

[Sparkly]

42. Like this NEVER happened before...

Like NO frontrunner ever said the others were piling on, ganging up, etc... It's a first! :sarcasm: :eyes:

[havocmom]

43. Perhaps, if the 'because I'm the mommy' line fails

I agree, she is not handling fair criticism constructively and seems to be hiding behind her own skirt, complaining that the boys aren't playing fair.

I have a lot of respect for what she has done in her life, and know she had to work harder because of her gender, BUT a presidential race is no place for grumbling about being picked on.

IT'S A CAMPAIGN! The participants are supposed to challenge each other's positions and changing positions. Meeting fair challenge by playing on gender does a disservice to both genders and ALL people.

[Perry Logan]

48. The polls suggest she kicked their butts.

So I guess we don't have to worry.