Republicans waiting for the next Reagan

[Lone_Star_Dem]

Source: L.A. Times

RICHMOND, VA. -- National polls show former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani leading the pack of Republican presidential contenders. Statewide polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the key early states in the nomination process, find former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in the strongest position.

But an evening with conservative voters in a suburb of Virginia's prosperous capital tells a different story: Many, perhaps most, Republicans are still essentially undecided. They're looking for the next Ronald Reagan, and they're not sure they've found him yet -- although some are hoping former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee will ride in and sweep them off their feet.

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The daunting list of problems they talked about included not only the war in Iraq but the threat of terrorism, a flagging economy, illegal immigration and -- to some, at the root of it all -- declining moral values.

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Eight of the 12 said they want the next president to take the country in a direction different from the course Bush has set. But when it comes to the Republican candidates, most of these conservative voters haven't been won over by anyone.


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign3nov03,0,5884890,full.story?coll=la-home-nation

[rpannier]

1. Ah...yes...Declining Moral Values

The favorite buzzword of those who are totally clueless.

Declining Moral Values are causing companies to shift their operations to those bastions of high moral standards...China, India, et al.

China...where Official Olympic Clothing is made by slave labor. Or India, where 30 bucks can get you an hour with a 13 year old prostitute.

If we just reverted back to our Judeo-Christian Heritage the Muslims wouldn't hate us any more.

And of course, the voices of our declining values have sung out so loud that people are sneaking into America to steal jobs, many of which Americans won't do anyway.

[cyclezealot]

4. when looking at declining moral values

some need look inward. Lets hope there are no more Death valley daze from which to make moral asumptions as to what the good old daze were all about. Maybe there never were any good old daze.

[Orsino]

11. Not evidence of cluelessness.

It's a deliberate distraction. Without their little moral crusades, politicians might actually have to work for a living. Much easier just to stir the pot every once in a while with the conniption du jour, and appear thereby to be on the job.

[olddad56]

27. if the Republicans are concerned about declining moral values....

Maybe they should start by tossing out all of the elected and appointed Republican officials who are having affairs, tapping their toes in public restrooms, getting blackmailed by gay hookers for having sex with them,(and cheating on their families at the same time), or getting caught in sex string operations involving 5 year olds. And if they are really concerned, they could toss out the ones who have taken bribes and illegal campaign contributions. Or they could stop blinding following their fascist leaders down the path to war.

The republican party exists in name only. The Republican party was hijacked a long time ago. If they are concerned about declining moral values, they might want to change to a more ethical political party.

[Demeter]

2. There Will Never Be Another Reagan

If we are lucky and watchful.

[RaRa]

14. amen nt

[republicansarewhores]

3. Reagan is dead

And so will the Republican Party be very soon.

RAW

[StClone]

5. Bush is Reagan on Steroids

Why are they not happy. Bush should be their wet dream. Are Republicans suddenly faced with the the failures of Reagan's nature when it is so monumental they are forced to concede and look fondly back on a man who never existed?

[hollowdweller]

6. The Problem With The Republicans

Is that for the last 27 years we have had Reagans whole agenda in place and while it has kept the economy going and most people are making a living people can see probelems that this strategy does not address that are starting to creep up.

For a while it worked to blame "liberals" still but when Bush got in and they had everything, the Supremes, the Presidency and both houses of congress the blame the "liberals" or blame Clinton just sort of rang hollow. Esp in Bush's SECOND term.

So now we have stuff like all the illegals coming into the country.

Consumer products coming into the country that are not safe.

Good white collar jobs going out of the country.

Pensions and health care costing the worker more when they have less to spend on them.

Wars everywhere.

A breakdown of the family because everybody is working so many long hours.

Massive debt at both the personal and governmental level.

The worker getting canned when he tries to unionize.

Super expensive energy costs.

The problem is most of these problems are the result of Reagans free market low regulation approach so they cannot be solved by them.

So unless the Republican is more like a Democrat or whips up some sort of controversial issue to get elected to compete they are going to have to embrace some of the Democrats ideas much like Clinton did with the GOP while their agenda played out.

Also although most people are working and getting by and the economy looks good most people are more aware of other countries now and see the trainwreck coming and are wanting something done.

[Demeter]

23. The Economy Survived IN SPITE OF Reagan and Poppy

Because of Volker, and the Clinton interregnum.

[Me.]

7. Another Form Of Waiting For The Rapture

and Jesus

[DeSwiss]

8. Its understandable they'd be disenchanted....

....When this is their best bet.

...but if they're that desperate, they may have to go dig up the old one....

[ClintonTyree]

9. They're waiting for the next....

senile, doddering, superstitious, lazy, mean, condescending, bad acting, head on a stick? :shrug: Who knew?

Fred Thompson seems to fit the bill if those are their only criteria.

[mwb970]

10. A roomful of people who voted for bush TWICE!

I sure would like to give them a good talking to. This is all their fault!

I especially like the guy at the very end who says "I'd vote for Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for Hillary Clinton." I have news for you, Bub. You did vote for Mickey Mouse. Twice.

[3waygeek]

25. Funny, I always saw * as Goofy n/t

[tanyev]

12. If only they'd had the presence of mind to turn him into a vampire or a zombie before he died.

Darn. Missed opportunities.

[mitchum]

13. Why don't they all just go join their Ronniegod?

[pattmarty]

15. Boy, I can hardly fucking wait.

[iamahaingttta]

16. They're the "Upside-Down People"

Nearly half the people in this country are seriously deluded, and everything they think and say and do is completely Upside-Down to reality! Of course the problem is that you can't convince them of that, and they say the same thing about us.

The only real way out of this mess we're in is to gently marginalize them so they have little or no influence over the mass of society. Kinda like what they did to us.

It may take 20 or 30 years, but it's worth it. Anybody up for the task?

[Stuckinthebush]

17. It's always about moral values to these boneheads

Moral values? I guess that is synonymous with their view of what White America was in the 1950s. All chrome and happiness where men were men, women were women, and minorities knew their place. There was no sex or violence and all the world loved the US. In essence, they want a fairy tale.

[Drum]

18. Messiah Fever, 24/7 nt

[TheFarseer]

19. Bush IS Reagan!

Borrowing a sh*tload of money - check
shift tax burden to middle class - check
amnesty for illegal immigrants - working on it
aggressive foreign policy - check
banking scandal - check
good sound bites - Um, not so much. That's really the only difference.

[democrat2thecore]

28. To be fair

As bad as much of the Reagan administration was, at least they saw and understood realities. I know the funding of the contras, the strategic strike on Libya, and the silly Grenada thing took place under Reagan, but "aggressive?" Not the way this gang of crooks in the WH are today. Reagan met with many world leaders he opposed. How many times did he meet with Gorbachev? When Reagan saw the troops in Lebanon as basically sitting ducks, after the bombing he pulled them out. Bush, and this gang, don't deal in realities - they refuse to talk to their enemies, start major wars and can't admit a mistake. I think that's what made Reagan different from Bush. Now at the same time, you had the VP George Bush, Oliver North, etc. running a neo-con foreign policy from the White House basement. No, I honestly think Reagan looks like Thomas Jefferson compared to this criminal, George W. Bush. No comparison on those critical issues I outlined above.

edit to correct a spelling mistake.

[skipos]

20. I think this is the guy they are waiting for

[ohio2007]

21. to bad they can't go with a liberal like this one

but that would be breaking the law


The most influential US liberals: 1-20


8. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER
Governor of California

Leaving him off the conservative list was a difficult decision but Schwarzenegger’s defiance of Republican orthodoxy and move towards California liberalism leaves him better placed to influence the liberal sphere. Even unstinting Schwarzenegger support of a Rudy Giuliani general election campaign in California would be unlikely to deliver the state to Republicans. His marriage to Maria Shriver took him into the Kennedy clan.

As an Austrian-born immigrant, the former body builder and action movie star is barred from the presidency, though he has not ruled out a run for the US Senate in 2010 if Barbara Boxer retires. Schwarzenegger’s actions to combat global warming have prompted an alliance with Tony Blair and are likely lead to his working more closely with Al Gore. For any Democrat entering the Oval Office, one of the first calls will be to Schwarzenegger.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/exclusions/uselection/nosplit/liberals1-20.xml

[Doctor_J]

22. they already have him - Chimpy

If Dutch had had a GOP Congress, HE would have spent the country into ruin.

[slackmaster]

24. I think they are waiting for the next George McGovern or Michael Dukakis

:argh:

[surfermaw]

26. What For, all I remember of him was fear, the Russsian are coming the Russian are comming

For eight long years.

[Aristus]

29. The NEXT Reagan? This country is still reeling from the damage caused by the previous Reagan.

:eyes:

[Raine]

30. "declining moral values" yeah I could agree with that

except we have a different definition of what a "moral value" is. Their "moral values" are petty little things pretaining to a citizen's personal life. I define "moral value" on a large scale like protecting the earth and the people who live on this earth from the kind of injuries inflicted by the moralists. x(