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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:24 PM
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Mark Penn sends sweet kisses to Edwards and Obama supporters
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=15946

The post-debate polls coming out this weekend show Hillary Clinton remaining strong in the general election, maintaining her leads in the primaries and in the key issues confronting the country. These polls are a reflection of the kind of campaign she is running and the fact that she has introduced detailed plans on crucial issues from Iraq to Health Care — and now Energy.

The Newsweek poll conducted after the debate shows Hillary’s lead against Barack Obama and John Edwards basically unchanged from the last few weeks. The ABC/Washington Post poll (pdf) shows her at 49 percent with a 23 point lead over Obama and a 37 point lead over Edwards. A new poll in Florida shows Hillary Clinton continuing to lead in that crucial general election state. And she leads Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney in every general election match-up tested in the latest national polls. The match-up against Romney in the ABC/WP poll has her getting 57% - demonstrating her broad capability to reach across and pull in voters who have not voted Democratic before.

But make no mistake: there has been a big change in the race. For weeks, Obama and Edwards have been running “under the radar” negative campaigns despite giving the impression that they are focused on the issues. But in the wake of stagnant poll numbers, they have formally abandoned the politics of hope in favor of attacks on other Democrats. With their strategy now out in the open, they are beginning to pay a high price for it. (Almost every day now you can find the headline “Obama attacks Clinton on…” or “Edwards attacks Clinton on…”).

Let’s look at Obama’s negatives in the ABC/Washington Post Poll. Over the course of the year they have gone from 23 percent to 36 percent. His negatives have been rising twice as fast as his positives and there are still 13% who have no opinion. (His positives went up 7 points, while his negatives went up 13 points over the last year). If these trends continue, Obama’s unfavorables will be at around 44 percent - roughly the same as Hillary’s - once the remainder of the electorate gets to know him better. Edwards’ attack strategy seems to be failing completely to raise his standings or stature.

As I have consistently predicted, it is time for people to discard this false argument about Hillary’s negatives - Edwards and Obama have not really been challenged or tested on the national scene the way Hillary has, and if that ever happens, their negatives will skyrocket. Meanwhile, Hillary has shown that she can substantially increase her support even in the face of stepped up attacks by her fellow candidates. And that’s the real reason Edwards and Obama have switched their campaign strategies.

In the ABC/WP poll, Hillary had overwhelming leads with Democrats on electability, on dealing with Iran and dealing with Iraq. With each passing poll she is seen as the one who can win - this has moved among Democrats from 43% to 62% who believe she is the one who can get elected president.

The bottom line is that the data in the wake of the last debate reveals that Hillary remains strong in the face of these attacks while the other candidates are being viewed in an increasingly negative light. We may be seeing the beginnings of a boomerang effect on Obama and Edwards.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:29 PM
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1. You are really on a role.
Tell me: what do the hit counts at Hillaryis44 look like these days? Unique impressions? Referrals?
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:31 PM
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2. Hillary is successful in a media environment where the public is routinely lied to about the war
"In the ABC/WP poll, Hillary had overwhelming leads with Democrats on electability, on dealing with Iran and dealing with Iraq. "
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 05:37 PM
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3. Wow, they just stick right to the issues
:eyes:

This campaign is more hateful than Bush's 2000 campaign against McCain, and that's saying something.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:08 PM
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4. Mark Penn very conveniently chose to ignore these warnings for Hillary in this Newsweek poll
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 06:15 PM by flpoljunkie
http://www.newsweek.com/id/67789/output/print

~Still, Obama and Edwards both run significantly stronger than Clinton among independents. For example, in a head-to-head matchup against Republican contender Fred Thompson (who commands just 15 percent of GOP support), Clinton attracts 47 percent of the independent vote. Both Obama (56 percent) and Edwards (57 percent) draw a majority of the independent vote against the retired senator and "Law & Order" star.

~But the poll results do somewhat call into question the Democratic frontrunner's electability come next November. Clinton's support tops out at 49 percent in trial heats against Giuliani, Thompson and Romney. Her four-point margin (49 percent to 45 percent) over Thompson and Romney is significantly less than Edwards's and Obama's performance in those head-to-heads. Obama and Edwards both lead Romney by 53 to 37 percent. Edwards leads Thompson 53 to 39 percent; Obama leads him 52 to 39 percent.

And, from the Atlantic's Marc Ambinder on the Washington Post poll...

Being among the first to notice that Hillary Clinton regularly broke the 50% barrier in Democratic primary polls, there's a responsibility to point out when that barrier reseals. In the Post-ABC poll published 9/30, Barack Obama had 20 percent of the net leaned vote; he has 26 percent in the poll ending 11/1. Clinton inched down from 53 to 49. That's a net change of ... well, enough to take notice of and to see whether other polls pick it up.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:19 PM
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5. Those numbers become significantly irrelevant if Hillary continue to gain in the polls
for the first challenge in the Iowa Caucus. At present, she is 10 pts UP over Obama and 17 pts UP over Edwards. Hillary will leave them at the gate!

http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 06:51 PM
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6. Polls of likely Iowa caucus goers are more relevant than ARG's "presidential preferences"
Although Clinton's lead continues to be very impressive in national polls, the last poll of likely caucus
goers that I know of was conducted by the University of Iowa and showed Clinton and Obama in a
dead heat within the margin of error (29% to 27%).
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:44 PM
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7. The ARG Poll IS of Iowa's likly caucus goers..
And this one also puts Clinton ahead of Obama by 7pts... outside the moe..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html

Hillary definately has a rock solid lead over Obama. The dead heat lock is nothing but a fond memory for Obama.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:52 PM
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8. Let the info. about Hillary's poor debate performance sink in to the people who didn't watch it...
Edited on Sun Nov-04-07 10:54 PM by jenmito
they may have just heard about her evasion/double-talk/flailing all over the place on today's shows. She has no conviction. She got caught changing her position twice in three minutes and then changing AGAIN the next day in a statement they put out. And it wasn't just her performance-it was a reminder of the Clinton "way." If she wins the nomination we're doomed.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:14 AM
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11. She doesn't have her husband's charm to close the deal.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:26 PM
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14. But she DOES have her husband. Hopefully people will realize they're NOT electing HIM.
I'm sure he'd take a position in ANY Dems.' cabinet if asked.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:58 PM
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9. Mark penn polls, right! they must be right - hahahahaha.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:35 AM
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10. No thanks to kisses from Mark Penn, but that union busting tool can suck my cock
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 02:37 AM
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12. Can't we keep it gender neutral and
just say "eat me" ?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:06 AM
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13. You're post is OK with me, mitchum
:hi:
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Terri S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 12:33 PM
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15. Typical Mark Penn/ Karl Rove tactic
"For weeks, Obama and Edwards have been running “under the radar” negative campaigns despite giving the impression that they are focused on the issues."

Really? Where's your proof? The truth is, it's Mark Penn and the Clinton campaign that does the dirty smear campaign behind the scenes, and Salon.com has an article to prove it.

link

I'm not quite sure why anything written by the moral equivalent of Karl Rove is posted as if it were gospel, but unless Mark Penn has some concrete proof that Edwards and Obama are doing what their own campaign is in fact doing, then he needs to just STFU.
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