Final DU Run-Off Poll: Senator Joe Biden vs. Rep. Dennis Kucinich

[itsrobert]

Well, it's the finals. Some surprises in the tournament as Edwards lost to Biden.


A winner will be called at 10 PM ET/7PM PT tonight. Kick it!

[cali]

1. let me gaze into my crystal ball:

Kucinich over Biden. Dennis will get 70+ percent of the vote.

[question everything]

83. LOL, only 52%

You may have been correct had this poll conducted last week. But Biden showed that he understands foreign policy. Talked about Pakistan before the recent martial law.

In post 9/11 we cannot afford to have a president with no interest and knowledge in foreign affairs, besides "none of our business, let's go home."

[momto3]

2. Biden, no question. eom

[LoZoccolo]

3. I'm going to have to go with Biden.

I wonder about Dennis Kucinich after he said that he saw the UFO.

[cali]

4. Oh, please. You're gleeful about the UFO stuff, and you didn't

start to wonder about him because of that.

[...of J.Temperance]

11. Not sure what it'll say about things, if Dennis Kucinich wins this poll n/t

.

[fadedrose]

77. Oh yeah?

When I was a kid (practically nobody had a TV), we had newspapers. There was a time in the 50's, the early 50's, when I remember reading about UFO's flying over Washington DC and "them" sending our planes to chase them. Also remember some pilot, Kenneth Arnold, Roswell, etc., and the number of reputable people who witnessed these sightings.

I'm all for Biden, but not because Kuscinich saw a UFO. That would make me more inclined to support him, not less. Too much coverup, too much calling people crazy who see things not identified ...

But anyway, in case of a national emergency, Biden has a calming effect that would go along way in reassuring the public and also getting us some of our standing back with our allies....gees, they hate us now. Kuscinich has a little bit of an edge (rightfully so) but he has to learn to hide it better. I see him as more than a Representative - very intelligent and courageous man.

[fadedrose]

78. Sorry Dennis

Misspelled your last name, and the pity is, I KNOW BETTER ....

[Oldenuff]

5. Well...

I'd rather have a candidate who saw a UFO,than candidates who only see dollar signs.

Biden might be ok with some,but I won't support any candidate who supports (or supported) the Patriot Act.There is absolutely nothing Patriotic about having supported it...either in the past or currently.Anyone who did not have the foresight to see that POS for what it is,cannot be trusted with leading this country.


I'll stick with Kooch.

[Faux pas]

33. My thoughts exactly. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

6. yet you videotape yourself *blathering* at a Nader supporter?

His UFO comment was far more MATURE than that little ego-fest you post about every chance you get. YOU are not one to judge others on their comments. :shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

20. I'll give you a hint at the secret meaning of /The Nader Movie/.

The hint is: the Nader guy started it.

[bigwillq]

7. DK!

:bounce:

[flvegan]

8. Kucinich would repeal the Patriot Act. Biden voted to reauthorize it.

Another reason to vote for DK.

[Froward69]

13. Thats the first i have heard of that

Prove it.

[flvegan]

19. Okay.

The Patriot Act has undermined civil rights in this country, and as the US president, one of my first acts in office would be to move forward to have the Justice Department overturn the Patriot Act as unconstitutional. We have to remember that 9/11 led us down a cul-de-sac. Americans need to reconnect with our deeper sense of self here. The courage that it took to form this country is still within us, and I want to have the 9/10 Forum to help us reconnect with a deeper sense of who we are as Americans.
Source: 2007 Dem. debate at Saint Anselm College Jun 3, 2007

Proven. Sorry to be a downer.

[gateley]

41. Good for Dennis - he really is a man of the people. I like him a LOT! nt

[a kennedy]

9. all the way with DK!!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[...of J.Temperance]

10. I'll have to pick Senator Biden, because Dennis Kucinich is just TOO

Off the wall and his politics are just too alienating to a Centrist Democrat like myself.

And that's WITHOUT even getting into Kucinich's weird stuff like UFO sightings and believing in Chem Trails.

So I'm voting for Senator Biden.

[MuseRider]

12. DK.

Biden always amuses me, not that I don't take him seriously, he is just not for me. He is often fun to listen to, his comment about Rudy was a keeper.

[josh_edwards07]

14. In this runoff

I'm with Biden. While I like Kucinich's ideas, I don't know if they'll work

[MuseRider]

15. I don't know

either but we don't really know if anyone's ideas will work. I would rather go with someone who has the cure, at least what I think is the cure, rather than someone who is closer to the status quo that I abhor. JMO. :hi:

[John Q. Citizen]

30. I'm personally amazed at how many people express such lack of faith

in themselevs.

We know that the IWR didn't work.

We know that the bankruptcy bill was writen by the credit card industry and that it hurts consumers

We know that the Patriot Act is an affront to our rights and liberties. Parts have already been thrown out by the courts, so "that didn't work."

Yet they give away there own best knowledge, their own best intuition because somebody said quit with your dreams and asperations. The corporations are going to get what ever they want, bush is going to get what he wants, and a majority in the Senate could care less about the constitution.

Go figure

[John Q. Citizen]

31. Which of Kucinich's ideas do you like but worry about if they will work?

[youthere]

16. Biden for me...

I want someone with a proven track record of results...not someone with "good idea" that don't have a chance of coming to fruition. I like Dennis, but I want someone who can bring results, and he isn't it.

[John Q. Citizen]

25. Dennis has gotten more bills voted out of committe than Pelosi has since 1997.

That seems pretty results oriented, given that Pelosi was the minority leader and is now the Speaker of the House. Dennis had 9 voted out of committe and Pelosi had 7 voted out of committe from 1997 when Dennis was a freshman Congressman until present. In 1997 Pelosi already had 10 years in the house. So I think Dennis is very results oriented.

Biden got results by voting for the IWR, the Patriot Act, and the Bankrupcty bill. I guess it comes down to which results you (or me) prefer to get.

[stuartrida]

17. I'd hold my nose and vote for Kucinich if he is our nominee

but he and Clinton are at the absolute bottom of my nomination list. Biden is one of my favorites right now. I don't agree with him on alll the issues, but he would be a very effective president.

[Ken Burch]

68. Who would you actually like, then?

n/t.

[stuartrida]

84. Everyone else

Biden, Richardson, Obama and Edwards have many qualities that I like, and a few I don't of course.

[stimbox]

18. Kucinich!

Biden is for Archie Bunker Democrats.

[gateley]

21. Hey Kucinich & Biden Supporters - Did you ever think you'd see the day?

This is just so much fun to finally be "winners", don't you think?

No need for anyone to post about the real world and whatever other facts we already know. Let us bask in the glow while we can!

Thanks to you all who voted for Biden or Kucinich - and congrats to us all! :woohoo:

And a BIG thanks to itsrobert. :yourock:

[John Q. Citizen]

39. I'll give this a kick, in honor of your gracious post, gateley. May the best 2nd tier candidate

win!

[gateley]

42. Thanks, John Q! And I meant it sincerely. Go, guys! nt

[skipos]

22. Biden. I like Kucinich but not for President. nt

[itsrobert]

23. Kick

thanks

Do we have more "rec" for the Greatest Page?

[Wayward Episcopalian]

24. I put it there...

...with rec #5!

[oasis]

26. Kick

[pberq]

27. Kucinich all the way!

Dennis stands up for the values of the majority of Americans, not the corporate elite.

Don't forget Biden's vote for the bankruptcy bill - a gift to the credit card companies.

[Dawgs]

28. Interesting that the final two can't even combine to get 4% in the national polls.

[maximusveritas]

36. That's probably why they're the final two

If Biden was a top tier candidate, he probably wouldn't be so popular.
Right now, it's hard to hate on him since he's doing so poorly. You feel like you're kicking a sick dog. If he was doing better in the polls, it would be much easier to tear him down.

[gateley]

29. Kicking this. This is SO EXCITING! nt

[rucky]

32. How cool is this?

my top 2 in the top 2!

[itsrobert]

34. kick

KICK

[robertpaulsen]

35. Kicking for Kucinich!

:kick:

[RebelSansCause]

37. did all of the non DK supporters

run to biden? why does everyone hate on dennis? this man is THE ANSWER. so he says he saw a UFO, there are so many ways to trash that it is not even funny. so LETS GO DENNIS!!!!

[More Than A Feeling]

38. If these are the options, then give me Biden.

DK, run for senate or governor.

[Grateful for Hope]

40. K&R

[stimbox]

43. Bouncey, Bouncey!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Alexander]

44. Kucinich, no question. He's right on most of the issues.

[itsrobert]

45. Another KICK

close race, down to the wire. 2 more hours.

[itsrobert]

48. I messed up in my previous post. It's now 1 hour 15 minutes to go

Crunch Time!

[stimbox]

46. Come on Kucinich!!!!

:headbang:

[Clintonista2]

47. GO Biden!

[gateley]

49. Last night (rather this morning when I went to bed at 3am) Biden was only

leading Edwards by 4 votes. I was as excited as I was when I stayed up all night to see if Gore would win the Nobel Peace Prize. Couldn't hang on, though and I DO realize this is a DU poll and pales in comparison to Gore's achievement.

Now the gap is THIS CLOSE again. This is exciting!

[itsrobert]

50. Down to the wire

45 minutes to Go!

[Basileus Basileon]

51. This is surprisingly intense. Go Biden!

[itsrobert]

52. Less than 30 minutes will be our Official Unofficial Official winner

;)

[itsrobert]

53. 20 minutes to go

and it will be official, however I can't stop the voting at 10pm ET.

[itsrobert]

54. 10 Minutes to determine the winner

tick, tick, tick

[itsrobert]

55. 5 minutes!

almost there

[Hawkowl]

56. Surprised

I am.

[Ken Burch]

57. Done.

n/t.

[TwilightZone]

58. Wow, what a shocker. 120/118 Biden.

Never would have expected that.

[itsrobert]

59. It's OVER! BIDEN WINS 120/118

IN A CLOSE BATTLE.

However, I can't stop anyone else from voting.

[More Than A Feeling]

60. That should be it.

Biden by two (120-118) in a shocker!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

61. 120 Biden 118 Kooch at 10 PM EST

[Hawkowl]

62. Implies

I think this was a very interesting process. The conclusion I draw is that it really is ANYBODY'S race to win or lose. And I really think Hillary has very broad, very shallow support and that she won't win the nomination, but who will I can't guess.

I can predict though, that if one of the so-called second tier candidates win the nomination, Al Gore will be kicking himself in the ass for the rest of his under achieving life.

[gateley]

63. I wonder if those post-poll votes were DUers hanging on 'til the last minute

to swoop on in and cause an upset. Kind of like sniping on an eBay bid...

[Clintonista2]

64. Biden won.

[gateley]

65. CONGRATS KUCINICH VOTERS - WE BOTH WIN! nt

[youthere]

67. Good for Dennis AND Joe!.

[John Q. Citizen]

70. Sounds like a dream ticket: Kucinich/Biden heh heh

Just joking.

Good job Biden fans. I didn't think you had it in you but you are some tough campaigners!

[Ken Burch]

66. It's now a dead heat-122 to 122!

C'mon Dennis!

[Basileus Basileon]

69. Biden up by one!

[sakabatou]

71. Kucinich up by 3

[Basileus Basileon]

72. Poll closed 18 minutes ago!

;)

[sakabatou]

73. sorry

[Basileus Basileon]

74. Hey, I was only kidding.

The poll is "officially" closed, but I was still pulling for Joe afterwards, because the voting's still going on whether it's "closed" or not. I was trying to make a joke by switching emphasis from "Joe is winning" to "It doesn't matter it's over" once DK pulled in front, but I guess I wasn't very clear. Sorry.

It's interesting to see what's happening here, though. I never would have dreamed it would have been Biden vs. DK, or that it would be a dead heat.

[sakabatou]

76. Oh

:rofl:

[John Q. Citizen]

75. Not in Alaska and Hawaii!

[fenriswolf]

79. voted late

i just wanted to throw in my 2 cents and even though polls are closed its good to see kucinich ahead by 3

[josh_edwards07]

80. I voted Kucinich

Earlier today

[Double T]

81. The tide is turning, one thinking mind at a time.

Kucinich.

[bobthedrummer]

82. IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST-IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!

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