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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 10:58 AM
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Biden seeks to connect the dots
Interesting article from the Boston Globe that captures Biden's unique way of addressing the issues.

Biden seeks to connect the dots

By Sasha Issenberg, Globe Staff

AMES, Iowa �- The few questions from the moderator at a "Growing the Bioeconomy" conference at Iowa State University Monday night all had to do with the seemingly narrow issue of how to modernize agricultural production.

But when it was Joe Biden's turn to answer, he started talking about the shoddy state of American infrastructure, the efficiency of foreign ports such as Hong Kong, the trade gap with Asia, and the uncompetitiveness of US manufacturing.

The Delaware Democrat's seeming meander across the policy landscape was not an example of senatorial self-indulgence or his own legendary long-windedness, as much as of an increasingly distinctive approach to policy questions. Biden's complex answers often feature more movable parts than his Democratic rivals', usually reaching beyond the typical issue categories such as economic policy, foreign policy, and trade policy."

Eventually he came to a novel point: one of the reasons American goods don't sell abroad is that having to reach foreign markets via outmoded domestic infrastructure can make them unduly expensive.


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Biden's answer �- which managed, in a few logical steps, to link crumbling highways to shuttered factories �- did not turn on a supposed trade-off as much a Rube Goldberg-like chain of cause and effect.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/11/biden_seeks_to.html
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:02 AM
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1. Another example of Bidens depth of thought,
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 11:04 AM by Froward69
Then another
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/11/6076_joe_bidens_amaz.html

Clearly we need the most intelligent person as president. Thats...
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:22 AM
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4. When he talks like this,
it reminds me of Jed Bartlett from West Wing.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:06 AM
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2. Biden is the only candidate that sees the whole picture.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:15 AM
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3. This is how Kerry won Iowa and NH. Don't let revisionists tell you differently.
The voters there APPRECIATE the more complex answers that connect the issues in very clear ways.

The corporate media doesn't like to focus on this type of campaigning and the respectful dialog between the voters and candidates willing to show that level of respect to the voters.

So, they invent other storylines.

Biden and Dodd have moved up considerably for me the last 2 months. Obama and Edwards still have chances with me.

Respect for the voters and for open government are key for me.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:37 AM
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6. The corporate media salivates
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 12:22 PM by Froward69
At the Bank accounts of the "Front runners" knowing how expensive commercials are to air.:wow: money in the bank to them.:eyes: never really revealing the best candidate for President.:puke:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:19 PM
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10. Respect for voters - well said. With some candidates you get the sense
they're looking at a crowd of people and just see the word VOTER blocking out their faces. Others appear to actually be speaking to the PEOPLE.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:12 PM
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16. Kerry looked at the audience as CITIZENS to be respected with the truth and
not as voters to be manipulated. The corporate media does NOT appreciate that level of integrity.

Biden and Dodd need to keep that in mind while they continue their efforts - and, it probably wouldn't hurt to DOUBLE their efforts and emphasize that difference with the frontrunner.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:24 AM
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5. Biden gets it, and he gets my primary vote
Yeah, so I was not thrilled with his link to MBNA, etc. but I can overlook that in favor of his knowledge of Foreign Policy.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:22 PM
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7. Exactly!
I don't think anyone here is too happy about his vote on bankruptcy reform, but I can overlook it given what we stand to gain.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:39 PM
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8. That's interesting. At first I was thinking "where on earth is he going with this?"
but now that I "get it", I'm again struck by the breadth of Biden's understanding of complex issues. Every issue is complex, come to think of it, otherwise we could solve them in a snap.

Before Musharraf did his thing in Pakistan, Biden had spoken of the situation and given a broader perspective than others would have (or do). So when Musharraf called martial law, etc., I actually understood to a certain extent the repercussions that might result, how a couple of options might play out, and what we would need to do to respond to whichever reality we may be faced with.

I don't get that sense of depth of understanding and attention from the other candidates.

We Bidenites say this all the time but it's true - he keeps blowing me away with his knowledge and understanding of a myriad of issues, and his responses indicate that he's given serious thought to each of them and determined the best way in how to address them.

I want this man as our President.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:45 PM
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17. What really impresses me is
he can explain complex issues in ways that the average person can truly understand and he does it without talking down to people. This is a talent that few people have. He never loses me and he never bores me.
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:55 PM
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9. K&R
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:34 PM
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11. the desire and ability to speak to people
about things they care about, and to demonstrate how those things are affected by public policy even in seemingly unrelated areas, are hugely important.

And the ability to do that without looking "evasive", when one is commonly confined to question-answer format when speaking in public forums, is an important electoral skill.

A tiny example from my own experience as a sacrificial candidate in a constituency in Canada that would vote Liberal Party if the candidate were dead and the Liberals had just proposed taxing air.

A lefter-than-thou acquaintance of mine decided to ask us candidates, from the floor at a community association's all-candidates meeting, whether I supported the Sandinistas. Way to go, friend. Just the question I needed. I was first up.

So I immediately started talking about how the great feature of the Canadian tax system was that when you gave money to a charity, or the charity raised funds through its activities, the govt matched it dollar for dollar. So I saved all the stamps I got on my business mail and donated them to Oxfam, my favourite charity, which sold them to collectors and got funds from the govt to match the proceeds, and used the money for development projects, including in Nicaragua, which was how I wanted my tax dollars used, and allowed us all to have direct input into how our tax dollars were used.

Evasive, yeah, but substantive. A lot more interesting to the people there than my opinion of the Sandinistas, though. Biden's, of course, was much better. ;)

On substance -- it should never be assumed that people don't want it, or won't be interested if it's offered.

That election, our leader was immensely popular, although our party never got votes to match. After a leaders' debate in which he had done extremely well, I started saying to people at the door, "So, did you see the debate the other night?" People watch these things, but many don't talk about them around the dinner table or water cooler. When I asked what they thought of our party leader, they would say, sometimes with a little surprise, how impressed they were with him.

I'd ask what they thought about what he'd said about a particular issue. They'd talk about it. I'd offer some more info about party policy. By the end of the campaign, we were madly photocopying off "issue sheets" to hand out at the door, because I found that once I offered a woman with toddlers our issue sheet on child care, she'd say "what else do you have there?" and gather up the sheets on job creation, economic policy ...

I was flabbergasted; I'd never seen that kind of response, before or since -- people asking for campaign literature on the doorstep, and talking themselves into voting for us. We lost, of course, but we did double our vote in that constituency that year.

A party leader who talks to people about things that matter to them in such a way that they will want to listen, and helps them make sense of those things and understand where their interests lie in relation to them, is invaluable.

The right wing connects the dots by putting prejudice and popular-but-false wisdom in the space between things that reasoning or compassion could never connect. Using reason, and applying compassion, may take more time, but most people really aren't completely stupid or uncaring, and can recognize good sense and goodwill when they see it.

Election campaigns aren't the best forum for educating, but tracing the route between the dots is really what has to be done if one wants them to take that route.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:28 PM
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13. Thanks for your story! How interesting and true! Although you cited it just
to make the point, I thought your response and approach to the Sandinista question was brilliant - AND the people benefitted from it as well.
:hi:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:50 PM
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15. so allow me to tell another one ;)
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 02:52 PM by iverglas
One of the reasons I like Biden is his collegiality. There is indeed a fine line between collegiality and being co-opted, and I think he walks it well.

Another all-candidates event I did was one I got called in for at the last minute; the first string candidate in the region had a scheduling conflict. (Our constituencies are much smaller than yours, so a metropolitan region like mine has a dozen or so constituencies, counting outlying areas.) It turned out that the Liberals also sent a neophyte, someone I knew from law school, and the Conservatives couldn't even come up with a candidate; they sent a lawyer from somewhere else entirely who was on their national executive and just happened to be in town on a case. The arrangement had actually been for the highest profile candidates in the region to be on the podium.

I stayed up half the night studying all the party position documents in my candidate's package -- the topic was arts policy. Not my forte. The audience was made up of the whole local arts and media community -- MCed by a well-known radio personality, all wired for recording ...

I drew the long straw, so I went first for the opening statement. I started out by saying we should all just be up front -- what they'd got when they got us was the B team. And my opponents laughed in agreement. And then I joked that with two underemployed siblings who had done fine arts degrees and now worked in health food and construction and not infrequently needed "loans", I figured I'd devoted a higher percentage of my gross domestic product to the arts than the country had. Had the audience in the palm of my hand, and that was before we started.

On one of the questions, the Liberal went first. He had no clue what his party's policy was on the issue it raised. Well, I said, I have it right here, and you're welcome to look -- and pulled out the relevant sheet from my binder. Next came the Conservative. Do you have mine there too, iverglas? he asked. They both made the best of a bad situation by being pleasant, the audience loved it, and I still came out ahead.

Hey -- the Liberal went on to become a cabinet minister -- but he didn't have that audience's votes! I was straight with them, and collegial to my opponents, and of course also spoke to their concerns.

Obviously, if that's all it took, I wouldn't be sitting here typing at you today ...

But again, I think Biden's collegiality will stand him in good stead in any campaign, and if he is president it would work well for both the US and the world.

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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 01:57 PM
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12. This is what is great.
This is what is great about candidates like Joe Biden, John Kerry and Al Gore.

They see the bigger picture.

I understand better after listening to them. There is a depth of thought that no Republican candidate can match.

They come across as statesmen rather than politicians.

Not that Joe can't throw the odd elbow if need be, of course, as Rudy would no doubt testify

;-)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:29 PM
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14. That was Biden's moment at the debate ~ the one that deserved more attention.
Instead the MSM was more interested in his Rudy joke.

I am so glad to hear that another journalist wrote about this.
Biden has an in-depth understanding of foreign relations, and that is the number one reason why I am such an ardent supporter.

In this crazy world, he makes me feel safe.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:52 PM
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18. I like the way his mind works.
On the Myers-Briggs scale, I bet he's an ENTP

The Visionary

As an ENTP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things rationally and logically.

With Extraverted Intuition dominating their personality, the ENTP's primary interest in life is understanding the world that they live in. They are constantly absorbing ideas and images about the situations they are presented in their lives. Using their intuition to process this information, they are usually extremely quick and accurate in their ability to size up a situation. With the exception of their ENFP cousin, the ENTP has a deeper understanding of their environment than any of the other types.

This ability to intuitively understand people and situations puts the ENTP at a distinct advantage in their lives. They generally understand things quickly and with great depth. Accordingly, they are quite flexible and adapt well to a wide range of tasks. They are good at most anything that interests them. As they grow and further develop their intuitive abilities and insights, they become very aware of possibilities, and this makes them quite resourceful when solving problems.

ENTPs are idea people. Their perceptive abilities cause them to see possibilities everywhere. They get excited and enthusiastic about their ideas, and are able to spread their enthusiasm to others. In this way, they get the support that they need to fulfill their visions.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:32 PM
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20. That is VERY interesting
It does sound like Biden. "quite flexible and adapt well to a wide range of tasks." That definitely reminds me of Biden, especially lately. It seems like he is everywhere, doing an extraordinary job in the senate, while at the same time campaigning for president.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:53 PM
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19. LOL -
Word to the wise, stay away from references to "connecting the dots" when it comes to Plugs. It makes me want to take a Sharpie to his head. :shrug:
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