Hillary's tone is condescending tonight

[Renew Deal]

She keeps doing it. She starts slow and then raises her tone. It's a lecture, not a persuasive speech.

[itsrobert]

1. I wonder if she had a Speech requirement in College?

Doesn't look like it.

[Renew Deal]

3. I saw her speak once in person and she was very good.

But that was 3 years ago. She sounds defensive tonight.

[rwheeler31]

5. I am so sick of I believe. What the hell do you know?

[ElizabethDC]

11. I don't know. But she did deliver a commencement address at her college graduation

and was featured in Life Magazine because of it.

[juajen]

2. There's just no satisfying people.

What happened to "her voice is so monotone, etc. ,etc. I believe she is doing very well and I love her softer tone. It doesn't smack of condescension to me.

[Skip Intro]

7. me either. next they'll be panning her choice in shoes.

[cuke]

9. They are so disingenous

It's so obvious it's funny

[sandnsea]

15. It's phony

She really needs to just stop trying on voices and be herself.

[Renew Deal]

16. You're right

There is no satisfying people. I didn't know this was an issue for her.

[AmBlue]

30. Why does she need a "softer tone"??

Why can't we just hear straight answers?

[sandnsea]

4. Just makes my ears hurt

What the hell is she doing? She should just come out and be herself and if she gets wound up, just admit she's wound up and move on. Gads.

[Clintonista2]

10. Your posts make my head hurt :(

Maybe it's the feeling of my IQ dropping after reading them?

[juajen]

13. Come on, you never have liked her and you certainly

would not give her credit if she "just come out and be herself and if she gets wound up, just admikt she's wound up and move on." Funny, funny, funny.

[sandnsea]

28. She ended really well

She came out and did a phony voice. Her supporters are calling it "hushed". I didn't make it up. I just found it to be phony, and consequently annoying.

When she stopped it at the end, she was terrific. It's the Iowa JJ, I'm prepared to like every candidate at this particular event.

[emilyg]

25. no one is forcing you to listen.

[sandnsea]

29. She's the only one I had to turn off

I flipped back in time to hear her turn up the heat at the end there though. That was pretty good. Until Obama showed her what turning up the heat actually looks like. :)

[Evergreen Emerald]

44. I have to say that I don't like the way obama talks--it sounds so phony

The cadence is in threes with abrupt ending to each of the words. Even when he is simply carrying on a conversation. It is like someone who is too young for the position attempting to sound grown up.

[Auntie Bush]

53. I think the fact that you don't like her had some influence in your decision to turn her off.

She spoke rather quietly till the end so maybe you should stick around and listen carefully. You actually might begin to like her if you knew what she said.

[Clintonista2]

6. She has a terrible cold

Her voice sounded horrible on a CNN interview the other day aswell. I hope she feels better soon.

[Renew Deal]

19. The "Turn up the heat" thing was a good move.

She's the only one with a memorable message thus far. I'm not sure what it means, but it's memorable.

[Clintonista2]

23. "Turn up the heat"

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." That's been her saying for a long time.

[calteacherguy]

35. Maybe she is feeling chilled from her cold? nt

[ginchinchili]

49. An interesting choice of words.

Maybe you're right.

[calteacherguy]

34. I'm sorry to hear that. nt

[itsrobert]

8. I feel dirty watching this. Sounds like a Rove Produced Pep rally

I'm going to need to take a shower after this.

[flyarm]

17. wow i thought so too..i was just yelling at her and the TV..bush 3..and i shut it off

i felt like i was watching pissy pants all over again..and didn't i read a couple days ago she was paying to bring her audience in from other states..this gags me!

it literally makes me sick.fake audience..fake rally cheers..its nauseating

fly

[Jim Sagle]

12. This is not helpful. I attack candidates myself, but I usually do it on substance.

[Renew Deal]

22. This is the substance of these campaigns.

Perception is important. She's coming off as defensive and condescending. Of course, this is my opinion only. I did not intend to get any rec's for this. It's a shame that I did, because I have posted much more interesting and important items that have gotten no attention.

[Auntie Bush]

54. Thumbs up to you!

:thumbsup:

[hedda_foil]

14. WTF is the crowd yelling when they respond to her questions?

[MichDem10]

20. "Turn up the heat" - sounds like a poorly produced commercial.

It's not spontaneous or authentic.

[flyarm]

21. Turn up the heat..all well planned..just like pissy pants audiences. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. You're Hooked On The Incontinence Theme

Maybe Santa will leave some Depends under your Christmas tree...

[oasis]

57. Tee hee

;-):rofl:

[ariesgem]

18. and her folks yelled "Fire it up!"

Sorry...I meant "turn up the heat!"

[journalist3072]

24. Do you have anything else better to do than start such a worthless BS post?

[Renew Deal]

26. I was thinking about going to bed.

I'll probably do that soon.

[journalist3072]

33. Based on your original post, it sounds like you need to go to bed

[Renew Deal]

37. You remind me of her.

Funny

[journalist3072]

45. I'm sure you intended that as some insult, but I consider it a compliment to be compared to

Sen. Clinton. Thank you.

[blm]

50. Not me. Deceit is not something I'd want to be known for, or for protecting Bushes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[journalist3072]

52. Grow up. eom

[blm]

58. Read the National Security Archives instead of Clinton's press releases

THAT would turn ANY fanclub member into a grown up citizen REALLY fast.

But scouring the actual historic record isn't your thing is it?

No Robert Parry, Gary Webb, Jonathan Landay behind your moniker.

[Nedsdag]

48. Do you have anything better to do than insult people?

Nice going, madame!

[BenDavid]

27. She is doing exactly the things one gives in a

speech. For all those that ask the question, "did she take a speech class?" Well maybe the ones asking the question never took Speech 101 or 102.

I would give her a mark of A+. Followed the criteria: Analysis-Content-Organization-Delivery- Plus HRC's proxemics were appropriate. Stance, movement and gestures added to focus on topics, gave information. HRC's tone, pace and enunciation were appropriate and conversational.


Ben david

[mtnsnake]

31. The only thing condescending is your tone. Hillary sounded nothing of the sort you describe

In fact, I think it was her best speech in weeks. She sounded great. You're simply jealous, no doubt about it.

[The River]

32. She Always Sounds Condescending or Defensive

to me. Wonkish competence at best but no hint of
that intangible spark that inspires people to follow
a leader with a vision for a better future.

[MethuenProgressive]

36. This thread is an excellent example.

Not of anything worthwhile, but still an excellent excellent example.

[Writer]

38. Well? You know? Because we truly have the luxury to give a shit about something so innocuous...

I just wanted to say: Ain't it great to be able to EAT, AMERICA?

~Writer~

[Beacool]

39. I liked her speech!

Condescending? I did not find it condescending in the very least. As someone who studied acting at Lee Strasberg, let me tell you that when you lower your voice people tend to pay close attention to what you're saying. She wanted to make a point about the immorality of allowing an 18 year old girl die due to lack of health insurance and I thought that her delivery was quite effective. She then shifted to a traditional "fire up the base" style and ended on a high note. All in all, a pretty good stump speech.

Obama's speech was also very good, but not his best one to date.

Edwards I skipped altogether as I can't stand him anymore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I Hate Myself For Posting Here And Getting Involved In These Internecine Pissing Matches

It's like a car wreck... You know you shouldn't look but you do anyway...

Or you're at a sports bar and you see some three quarters out of it yahoo making fun of your team... You can wisely ignore it or start an altercation...

It reminds me of the criticism of Al Gore's speeches... The MSM said he spoke as if he was speaking to five year olds...

[beachmom]

42. I thought she gave a great speech. She also did a funny play on

some history of hers. Remember in '92, when she said "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and tea", which annoyed a lot of people? Well, last night she quoted Harry Truman, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". Then she said, "well, I like being in the kitchen". That was great, as it has a double meaning -- clever speech writer.

I may add, that I have been sending that message to Clinton supporters all over the tubes. Hillary is going to be attacked by fellow Democrats right now because this is the primary wars. And supporters should stop whining and start fighting back with facts and reasoned arguments; otherwise -- if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

I liked her lower voice, and it also sounded like she had a cold. She did well last night.

[creeksneakers2]

43. They said the same thing about Al Gore n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. what a F'in sexist post

Rather than discuss the meat of the speech--like every other post on every other candidate, you complain about the voice, reducing her to how she looks and sounds rather than the substance of her speech.

What a bunch of sexist crap.

[Skittles]

55. did not see it but a lot of Hillary posts strike me as extremely sexist

she's being held to a much higher standard than all the other candidates, L and R, COMBINED

[Yael]

47. "Its a lecture not a persuasive speech"

I am listening to it again right now, and I think that pretty much nails it.

She is coming across as a self-important blow hard.

[Sparkly]

51. Should she be more meek? nt

[Skittles]

56. what is it with these uppity wimmin!!!!

:o